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During the 5 year hypersleep the Prometheus travels back a million + years to LV

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MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 6:01 AM
The dark secret or hidden aganeda that Vickers could be harboring is the fact that during their five year hypersleep David tampered with the travel logs and course trajectories and made LV 426 appear to read as LV 223 and they wind up at the Zeta Reticuli system only a million + years in the past. The Prometheus, during those five years enconters something, some annomolous effect during its intermittent flight. This would then tie in why the Juggernaught crashlands behind them when their running and around them. The reveal is like in the original Planet of the Apes the discovery of the entombed, fossilized Statue Of liberty thus reveals that he has been on Earth ALL ALONG, only thousands of years in the future! The reveal here in this case is some how the Prometheus and that of its crew some how ends up making a jump back in time a million + years to LV 426 in the past. No traces explain why they will never find anyone in the future because weathering, geological planetary forces, temperature and the slow erosionary processe would thus erode awy any evidence for a future expedition to this world would find. May be the Juggernaught is made of a different type of alloy that makes it impervious to time for ALL TIME! The Prometheus goes into orbit around what it thinks is the designation LV 223 but it has been tricked. Somehow it will transpire that it is indeed LV 426 all along and that they are upon it millions of years in it past when it weather was perhaps alittle better to tollerate. Working idea....................
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HyperNova

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 8:48 AM
Yes. I would be intersted to hear an answer to that too. However time plays contadictory tricks upon the observer when viewed form different points in space which perhaps influences our "interpretations" of time maybe. So both suggestions may in fact be right, half of one and half of the other - Or a mix of the two maybe.

craigamore

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 8:56 AM
I agree with Snorkjy and Vandyke..........time travel just DOES NOT fit with everything we seen or been given......and to that, what most interests me, is the lack of any hint of the idea in any interviews, trailers, plot summaries, etc., etc., etc......for time travel to be a part of this movie, it is, of course, a concept of immense importance to begin with....It's the kind of thing that's central to a plot structure in one way or another....In everything we've been given, there's NO hint of it, not a whisper and that's rather damning when you consider all of hints and slight of hand used to shroud larger concepts about man's origin and place in existence...those themes are played on constantly in every examination/interview of thefilm and those involved....Never has whisp of time travel slipped anywhere......I understand the want of the idea, to tie things up with the original derelict, but it's not necessary, nor is it a comprehensive, intelligent or elegant approach to tackling questions left in 'Alien'.... ...If anything, time travel is the laziest route to take......i.e..we can't figure out where to go with this race of creatures other than say that our new ship and crew must have had something to do with the original derelict's downfall...I'm sorry...that's lazy.....It's far more interesting to learn that there are more of them out there and in that same system....Zeta II Reticuli is obviously a system where that race maintained a presence on multiple satelites, planets and moons....just because there is one dead ship on Acheron/LV-426 does not in any way mean their can't be an outpost on a neighboring moon, which there are two of anyway...in fact, that's logical............ And really that's where all this time travel business has always come from, let's be honest with ourselves.....many of us just want to know what happened to THAT derelict...we may get answers, we may not, but I understand the LOGICAL assumption that to get them, time travel would have to be involved...However, as I stated, from everything Ridley has said, along with Spaiths and Lindelof, 'Prometheus' stands on its own...it is its own story that is not beholden to 'Alien' or the Jockey there in....It IS about the SpaceJockey race, but not that specific Jockey.......

HyperNova

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 9:13 AM
You do raise some vrey valid points Craigmore, your reasoning may well play a bearing on events in the plot.

craigamore

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 9:26 AM
Thank you Hypernova, it's like this, I get it, I get the want to know what happened to chestburstie McSpaceJockey in 'Alien', but isn't it cool that, while we're about to learn a lot about the Jockies overall, we may still get to keep a bit of the mystery alive of what happened to that Jockey....the conspicuous lack of information or even an attempt in the first 'Alien' to explain anything about him, other than his obvious chestbursting demise, was and always should be a fascinating point of mystery...the NOT KNOWING gives that entire sequence its power....and they can tell us all sorts things about the SpaceJockies in 'Prometheus' and still manages to maintain the power of that mystery in 'Alien', the mystique of the SpaceJockey.....if anything, I don't want to know anything more about him specifically. I want to protect that mystique, that goldmine of knowledge just beyond the reaches of what we can see in 'Alien', hiding in the darkness and out of sight....you can do that and STILL tell/show us a crap load in 'Prometheus'.....

HyperNova

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 9:37 AM
Yes Craigmore, I also like how you think upon this matter. As I like a combination of elements several people on here have suggested including SMBH. Like the Halo's in Halo games that are scatterd throughout the universe arn't they.

craigamore

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 9:41 AM
Yep...exactly....

Vandyke

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 10:16 AM
I viewed Alien Director's Cut two days ago and must say that you are absolutely right, craigamore. If the SJ in Alien had a distinct story coming from Prometheus it would always be linked to Prometheus and its visuals, and this would spoil Alien. I am amazed how well Alien still looks and works, now after more than 30 years. And I fear that Prometheus might not do it so long in terms of visuals. For some reason I think that the ship design is too trendy (we see all the nice-looking apparatus and holograms which Avatar also had). Well, I might not live that long to find out myself ... Comparing new movies and other old ones from this time, we movie-lovers have to admit that some old ones are hard to digest nowadays because we got used to rapid cuts and fast pace in dialogues, action and plot. I also looked at Blade Runner's Final Cut (2007). Here the slow pace and melancholy still does work, because it was intentionally done and not the common style of 1982. But from my point of view, Blade Runner now starts aging, although it really worked well for so long time. Even though it stays vague in many things, the make-up, costumes and hear dress in Blade Runner do show the fashion of the eighties. This is different in Alien. You just have to close your eyes and ears whenever "mother" or the noise-making computer terminals pop up.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 10:33 AM
@ allinamberclad... M-Theory, is a part of super-string theory, which in laymans terms suggests that there are more dimensions within our universe than the 4 we in habit (x, y, z, and t (time)). Therefore, and because we only exist 3/4 dimensionally (as opposed to 10 dimensionally) it may (???) be possible to dravel inter-dimensionally (between dimensions) and thus not be affected by the rules of realitivity and ultimately be able to travel from point a to point b in shorter time period than the speed of light, thus realitivity, allow. This is another variation of the "fold space-time" idea, with essentially the same result. I would be more technical but that would make it unreadable to the average member (not everyone is a nerd).

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 10:44 AM
Or read up on M-theory, its a sunday man!

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 10:45 AM
NOT AGAIN!

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 10:47 AM
@ Spartacus - My sentiments exactly, me and others have discussed this to death.

Vandyke

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 10:50 AM
I'm neither physicist nor Nerd, but studied some other stuff which relies on using a brain effectively, and since I like to dig into theories and so far can follow easily, I also like to encourage you to go on, Snorkelbottom! UPDATE: I Don't quite understand what is so charming about indicating that others should stop speaking about things, only because you have read too much about it. Maybe you want to go back to the start of you bringing up M-Theory in this thread, while this might have not been so necessary. Or - in my other words, I really don't believe Scott gives a damn about all the theory about time and space, he just likes to stay within a "hard" SF frame and wants to avoid technobabble.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 10:55 AM
As I said, read up on M-theory, its a sunday afternoon (UK) and I'm chilling... Last thing I wanna do today is get into heavy equations, complex theories and the ensuing if and buts from those that don't follow, or think they do. As I and Sparky said this has been talked about many times, to death. Just look it up...

HyperNova

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 11:02 AM
Yes Vandyke we can continue chatting upon this subject even if others do not want to. In the end you have a choice to either take part in a chat or not I guess. So to those who do not want to talk about this well then just leave! Or join in, or don't. Other peoples work patterns are differnt. How do you not know that their days off coincides on a THURSDAY man! Or Tuesday?

HyperNova

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 11:03 AM
And WHERE'S SUPER MASSIVE BLACK HOLE?!!!

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 11:05 AM
lol, I can so relate Snorky and it's great to see you, by the way bro...Just FYI...apparently we have some sort of confirmation now that all deaths we have been exposed to so far in the trailers, as I so logically deduced to begin with, are caused by the Exact same organism in different stages of it's life cycle. He won't reference it directly bu that cause this whole thing already reeks completely of Alien!!!

HyperNova

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 11:08 AM
Spartucus Spoiler Alert! - Spoiler Alert! Do tell, do tell!

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 11:13 AM
...its a Sunday, as in SUNDAY, universally known as the day of rest... @ Sparky - meh... half right - we probably have seen all the deaths in the trailers in some respect, or at least parts of each characters demise. But to jump the gun that they all die at the hand of one creature is a stretch. By that I mean... David - may die at the hands of the ENGINEER Milburn - is the serpent the Engineer, we don't know Fifields Victim - is Fifield the Engineer, we don't know Holloway's Eye Monster - is Hollway the Engineer... see my point!!!

allinamberclad

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 11:32 AM
@Snorkelbottom Yes...but my actual question was how is it that you are suggesting that M-theory can be applicable, in conjunction with FTL, in terms of travelling between dimensions? As you say, our Reality is limited to a set of dimensions. M-theory is only an attempt to describe the structure of that Reality at a sub-atomic level.....I don't believe there is a suggestion of correlation between the fact of that attempt, and travel between the dimensions that it may suggest are at the potential root of that structure, by virtue of exceeding the speed of light.... This is the first I've heard of it: so I am very simply asking you: what, exactly, are these suggestions actually based on? I'm particularly interested as I have, "looked it up", if you like - and found that what you've suggested isn't supported. So, it's all very querysome... And I'd suggest perhaps it is a given member who is in the best position to determine whether they understand something or not - no?

HyperNova

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 11:35 AM
You rest Snorkel why the rest of us or some of us want to type!!!

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 11:46 AM
@ Allinamberclad... "Screw Laymans terms, do you speak English"* version According to M-theory calculations it has been suggested that micro-worm holes occur at a sub-atomic level. If this is the case and they can be reproduced and studied in an experiment it may be possible to use said worm-holes to travel from point a to point b in a shorter period of time that the speed of light would allow, thus travelling Faster Than Light (FTL), but in doing so you would be travelling outside of the dimensions of the universe and thus time dilation would not apply, because time dilation would only occur within our universe, not without. *Event Horizon

HyperNova

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 12:09 PM
But the laws of physics, if any, existing without could have its own time dilation effects that do not relate to our universe. This outer-universe may have time effects we are not familiar with nor can even comprehend because they are not familiar to what "know" to be "real" and "observable" you know. On this thread Snorkel I am not seeking to argue with you here just flesh out the idea upon here, alright.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 12:15 PM
not outer-universe. think of it this way... Imagine a racetrack with the following layout... straight - 180 degree hairpin - straight ...normally you would drive the straight, take the hairpin and drive the second straight. but should wormholes exist, as suggested in M-theory, you would instead step off the track (outside the universe, thus no space and no time) and then back on the other end. No universe, no universal rules.

allinamberclad

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 12:20 PM
@Snorkelbottom ? This seems a little confused: theorised behaviours at the scales we're discussing are understood - but you said something slightly different: I believe about, "combining M-theory with FTL travel" in order to traverse dimensions, in the macro scale?.... As it's Sunday, maybe it's just easier if you tell me where you're getting that information from? I think I'd like to read it.

Spartacus

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 12:26 PM
The Nostromo was hauling Ore. The Betty was an unregistered. The Narcissus was on a drop mission, the Sullaco as well, The USS Auriga was on an Ilegal Human Harvesting and Clone creating and Bio-Weapons Mfg'ing covert mission...I think I could mix and mash and go on and on to eternity on these points but my main point is that no where in any of those, which all took place later, INTO THE FUTURE THAN any of PROMEHTEUS'S mission dates, was the idea of time travel ever featured nor did it play any part at all as far as any "canon" goes {again I despise the word} or any of us know.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 12:26 PM
@ Allinamberclad... That was me trying to simplify the point. Like I said, just read up on M-theory... If wormholes exist and can be reproduced on a bigger scale then we could use them to travel long interstellar distances in a relatively short period of time by essentially popping out and then back into the universe at different point in space. Thus travelling said distance faster than light (FTL) could. This idea is a Sci-Fi staple that may (using that word loosely) be possible should M-theory be proven.

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 12:31 PM
And further to Sparkys comment... - Cloning a living creature that was incubating another living creature. - Yep fair enough - living creature turned into an egg incubating another living creature. - Yep fair enough - A ship using M-Theory to achieve FTL travel, without Time-Dilation. - Nope.

HyperNova

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 12:33 PM
Hold on a sec Snorkel. How can you pressume to think that just because you step off of that race track into this nether region space whats known as a higher dimension within which all of the "Branes" exist an within one our particular universe is thought to reside in that it has not got any laws unique all unto itself? Our universe has "its" version of time, this higher dimension is almost like a hyperspace, hyperdimensional realm where infinate Branes exist and one of those is ours the "time" could take the equvillent of BILLIONS of yesr to say hello and another billion for the response. Much like how ole' Tree Beard in the LOTR takes all night just to say hello yet in our universes flow of time it may ony take say a million to a hundred thousand years to do the same thing! Long still by any measure or standard but differnt realms, different dimesndions, different dimensional properties thus I can sumise different perceptions of time as is the case for falling into a Black Hole. You are both falling into it and appearing to stand still at the same time. You may eventually see the person completely fall in but it may take three million years to do so. Where as the person who fell in did so within say about an hour!! Maybe a bit longer! Worth at least thinking of.......

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteMay-20-2012 12:43 PM
@ Hypernova... This is why I didn't want to get into this. You are confusing yourself and thus others... We exist in 4 Dimensions. Acoording to M-Theory (widely accepted guess) suggests 10 dimensions. If we don't exist in those other 6 dimensions then it opens the possibility (???) to travel between dimensions, or rather outside of them. If we are outside of those dimensions we are outside the universe. Because we are dimensional we cannot exist somewhere that without dimensions thus we are forced back into the universe. This is a wormhole, or if you go stronger a black hole - a hole in space in time. Wormhole leads back into our universe, black hole doesn't (or maybe does but rips everything apart, we don't know yet).

allinamberclad

MemberOvomorphMay-20-2012 12:43 PM
@Snorkelbottom Hm. I have, "read up on it" - this is [i]why[/i] I find myself confused: in the difference between your, "simplification", and what I have, "read up".... Perhaps you could just point me at where you're drawing all of this from?..If anything.
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