During the 5 year hypersleep the Prometheus travels back a million + years to LV

super-massive black hole
MemberOvomorphMay 20, 20123982 Views72 RepliesThe dark secret or hidden aganeda that Vickers could be harboring is the fact that during their five year hypersleep David tampered with the travel logs and course trajectories and made LV 426 appear to read as LV 223 and they wind up at the Zeta Reticuli system only a million + years in the past.
The Prometheus, during those five years enconters something, some annomolous effect during its intermittent flight. This would then tie in why the Juggernaught crashlands behind them when their running and around them. The reveal is like in the original Planet of the Apes the discovery of the entombed, fossilized Statue Of liberty thus reveals that he has been on Earth ALL ALONG, only thousands of years in the future! The reveal here in this case is some how the Prometheus and that of its crew some how ends up making a jump back in time a million + years to LV 426 in the past.
No traces explain why they will never find anyone in the future because weathering, geological planetary forces, temperature and the slow erosionary processe would thus erode awy any evidence for a future expedition to this world would find. May be the Juggernaught is made of a different type of alloy that makes it impervious to time for ALL TIME!
The Prometheus goes into orbit around what it thinks is the designation LV 223 but it has been tricked. Somehow it will transpire that it is indeed LV 426 all along and that they are upon it millions of years in it past when it weather was perhaps alittle better to tollerate. Working idea....................
May 20, 2012
SMBH did say that they felt the Bio Suit was breached somehow and that caused the occupant to be exposed to the atmoshpere which could have had a reaction to the remains of his body or exposed to the space time continuum which he was in some way able to mask himself from being a part of. This exposure he thinks to these combination of elements may have been what caused the effects we see to his apparant skeletal remains.
As for the Ridley Scott interview just posted on here by Snorkelbottom I just watched it and to be fair Ridley Scott vaguely speaks of the signal, he speaks of millions of years in the past and millions of years in the future. He doesn't confim anything that hints at time travel as far as I can see but so far there is nothing to dismiss it out of hand either.
Still unsure! Suspicious! Sereptitious! Insideous! Conspiratorial!
May 20, 2012
@ Kane77
I'm not so sure RS is not using FTL in this movie. In fact I think he is.
Following is an excerpt from the site http://www.weylandindustries.com/transportation
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FTL
Weyland was the first to practically apply faster-than-light theory to its fleet of SEVs. We continue to outshine our competitors, making FTL ships that are safer, stronger and more maneuverable than any on the market.
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May 20, 2012
@Snorkelbottom
Time dilation is not, "still theoretical", it is actual and demonstrable.
May 20, 2012
## Time dilation is not, "still theoretical", it is actual and demonstrable.
Yes, and combined with the fact that RS obviously is going to show FTL in the movie, and that he rather is a "hard" SF movie maker, he either is going to show the effect of time dilation (the 5.5 years or more moving ahead in future with FTL) or he will make it even more complicated and let Weyland and the crew speak to the movie viewers about things like "M-Theory", moving through wormholes and all this other stuff.
May 20, 2012
As stated in my previous post, time dilation is not a factor here because of what I referred to in Aliens.
Furthermore a recent Time Dilation experiment showed unexpected results - two atomic clocks where positioned, one at sea level and another higher up. According to Time Dilation theory the clock that was higher up should have been running faster, yet the results actually showed the clock was running slower, the complete opposite of what Time Dilation theory predicted.
May 20, 2012
And to be fair again, just because we don't see F.T.L travel going on doesn't mean it is NOT going on in the Alien - Prometheus universe. I mean it was stated by Saint Symphony that time travel may not be used in the film.
Saint Symphony
"i'd bet anything there are isn't any kind of time travel in the film. The reason i don't think so is Weyland (the company) would be trying to create or recreate time travel if it happened, not go finding some alien that is hostile and keeps costing them billions in lost equipment."
Well couldn't they just simply be wanting to do both? Why walk when you can ride!!!!
We may not see it put on film to watch but maybe it is going on as a secretive subplot intention on behalf of Weyland. Maybe he has always been in contact and in some way in cahoots with the Bio Engineers to provide them with healthy human specimens in return for not messing around too much with Earth because it would affect him too and he surely wouldn't be that stupid to put his own mortality on Earth in jepordy? He sends ships out and they become the specimens provided to them maybe as a "deal" being struck between two alien cultures.
May 20, 2012
Not to me SnorkelBottom! Type away! Please! :-)
11 dimesnsions so the theory, M-Theory goes, and there may be more.
Like a symphony the five seperate theories of Quantum Mechanics Gravity I'm not sure I remeber all the rest, Electromagnetics, Light I think and one other or one may be wrong but if you stepped up and back far enough then the five apparantly "conflicting" theories are themselves the one single unified "Theory of Everything" that is stitched together and underpinned by super-string theory.
So SMBH speaking of the three levels of the universe should well have included these elements too! Text would have been longer to read though!
May 20, 2012
I totally agree that time travel certainly is not what RS is going to focus on. I'm sure all will be about humanity, intelligence, life forms, and scaring the living shit out of us. Just like Alien.
May 20, 2012
@Snorkelbottom
Whether it's a factor or not, (according to you), doesn't change the fact that it is, (contrary to you), an actual and observable effect - and not "theoretical".
I'm curious: to what recent experiment, that contradicted General Relativity, do you refer?
I'm also a little curious, now, as to how it is you're suggesting M-theory would - or could, possibly - combine with FTL to produce an effect of travel outside of Space and Time....
Could you please explain? You may be as detailed as you please.
May 20, 2012
Yes. I would be intersted to hear an answer to that too.
However time plays contadictory tricks upon the observer when viewed form different points in space which perhaps influences our "interpretations" of time maybe. So both suggestions may in fact be right, half of one and half of the other - Or a mix of the two maybe.
May 20, 2012
I agree with Snorkjy and Vandyke..........time travel just DOES NOT fit with everything we seen or been given......and to that, what most interests me, is the lack of any hint of the idea in any interviews, trailers, plot summaries, etc., etc., etc......for time travel to be a part of this movie, it is, of course, a concept of immense importance to begin with....It's the kind of thing that's central to a plot structure in one way or another....In everything we've been given, there's NO hint of it, not a whisper and that's rather damning when you consider all of hints and slight of hand used to shroud larger concepts about man's origin and place in existence...those themes are played on constantly in every examination/interview of thefilm and those involved....Never has whisp of time travel slipped anywhere......I understand the want of the idea, to tie things up with the original derelict, but it's not necessary, nor is it a comprehensive, intelligent or elegant approach to tackling questions left in 'Alien'....
...If anything, time travel is the laziest route to take......i.e..we can't figure out where to go with this race of creatures other than say that our new ship and crew must have had something to do with the original derelict's downfall...I'm sorry...that's lazy.....It's far more interesting to learn that there are more of them out there and in that same system....Zeta II Reticuli is obviously a system where that race maintained a presence on multiple satelites, planets and moons....just because there is one dead ship on Acheron/LV-426 does not in any way mean their can't be an outpost on a neighboring moon, which there are two of anyway...in fact, that's logical............
And really that's where all this time travel business has always come from, let's be honest with ourselves.....many of us just want to know what happened to THAT derelict...we may get answers, we may not, but I understand the LOGICAL assumption that to get them, time travel would have to be involved...However, as I stated, from everything Ridley has said, along with Spaiths and Lindelof, 'Prometheus' stands on its own...it is its own story that is not beholden to 'Alien' or the Jockey there in....It IS about the SpaceJockey race, but not that specific Jockey.......
May 20, 2012
You do raise some vrey valid points Craigmore, your reasoning may well play a bearing on events in the plot.
May 20, 2012
Thank you Hypernova, it's like this, I get it, I get the want to know what happened to chestburstie McSpaceJockey in 'Alien', but isn't it cool that, while we're about to learn a lot about the Jockies overall, we may still get to keep a bit of the mystery alive of what happened to that Jockey....the conspicuous lack of information or even an attempt in the first 'Alien' to explain anything about him, other than his obvious chestbursting demise, was and always should be a fascinating point of mystery...the NOT KNOWING gives that entire sequence its power....and they can tell us all sorts things about the SpaceJockies in 'Prometheus' and still manages to maintain the power of that mystery in 'Alien', the mystique of the SpaceJockey.....if anything, I don't want to know anything more about him specifically. I want to protect that mystique, that goldmine of knowledge just beyond the reaches of what we can see in 'Alien', hiding in the darkness and out of sight....you can do that and STILL tell/show us a crap load in 'Prometheus'.....
May 20, 2012
Yes Craigmore, I also like how you think upon this matter. As I like a combination of elements several people on here have suggested including SMBH.
Like the Halo's in Halo games that are scatterd throughout the universe arn't they.
May 20, 2012
I viewed Alien Director's Cut two days ago and must say that you are absolutely right, craigamore.
If the SJ in Alien had a distinct story coming from Prometheus it would always be linked to Prometheus and its visuals, and this would spoil Alien. I am amazed how well Alien still looks and works, now after more than 30 years. And I fear that Prometheus might not do it so long in terms of visuals. For some reason I think that the ship design is too trendy (we see all the nice-looking apparatus and holograms which Avatar also had). Well, I might not live that long to find out myself ...
Comparing new movies and other old ones from this time, we movie-lovers have to admit that some old ones are hard to digest nowadays because we got used to rapid cuts and fast pace in dialogues, action and plot.
I also looked at Blade Runner's Final Cut (2007). Here the slow pace and melancholy still does work, because it was intentionally done and not the common style of 1982. But from my point of view, Blade Runner now starts aging, although it really worked well for so long time. Even though it stays vague in many things, the make-up, costumes and hear dress in Blade Runner do show the fashion of the eighties. This is different in Alien. You just have to close your eyes and ears whenever "mother" or the noise-making computer terminals pop up.
May 20, 2012
@ allinamberclad...
M-Theory, is a part of super-string theory, which in laymans terms suggests that there are more dimensions within our universe than the 4 we in habit (x, y, z, and t (time)).
Therefore, and because we only exist 3/4 dimensionally (as opposed to 10 dimensionally) it may (???) be possible to dravel inter-dimensionally (between dimensions) and thus not be affected by the rules of realitivity and ultimately be able to travel from point a to point b in shorter time period than the speed of light, thus realitivity, allow.
This is another variation of the "fold space-time" idea, with essentially the same result.
I would be more technical but that would make it unreadable to the average member (not everyone is a nerd).