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I hope Ridley is still a team player

Arkadine

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I have a lot of respect for Ridley Scott, I believe he has had great taste in selecting some of the stories he made into movies, and his visual style is out of this world. However, I also believe that the quality of his movies rely a lot on the talents of his artistic team. Think about what Dan O'Bannon, H.R. Geiger and Carlo Rambaldi meant to Alien, or the imprint left by the work of Douglas Trumbull, Syd Mead, Lawrence G. Paul & David Snyder and Jordan Cronnenweth on Blade Runner. Back in the day Scott was working on one project at a time; they were really a work of passion. These days, defining himself as being a businessman as much as he is a director, he manages about 6 projects at a time, with a Blade Runner sequel among them (gulp) If the technical aspects of his later output has become more generic than groundbreaking lately, I think it is because of the frequent collaborations with people like Marc Streitenfeld in the music department and Arthur Max in art direction. I am not saying they are bad professionals, but I do not perceive them as brilliant either. Now, my major fear about Prometheus is the way the project was patched together. There was not a pre-existent screenplay that wowed Ridley making him say: "this is the story I was waiting for so I can return to the genre that jump started my career." It was more like "I have these loose ends I want to make into some sort of prequel or sidekick to Alien." And he recruited these two guys who are basically two fanboys who did nothing but trying to please Ridley. In an interview for the show "On The Verge" Lindeloff said something very revealing and very smart as well: "if the movie is a success it's all because of Ridley Scott and if the movie is not a success is because I was unable to execute his vision successfully" A nice way of flattering his idol and washing his hands at the same time. He also expressed that he was "proud of his lack of authorship" on the script an even compared his work with playing mad libs with Ridley. For the sake of Prometheus, I really hope that the vision Lindeloff talks about is relevant enough and exciting enough to make Prometheus more than a summer money maker. I hope the talent around him was up to the challenge, and that the interplay between director and collaborators was a balanced one. If not, we might headed to unveil the underwhelming product of a genius trapped in his own ivory tower.
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wesen
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So you are basically worried that R.S. doesn't do great with original screenplays as opposed to adaptations and he is working with the wrong team? But how does this relate to the title of your post (I understood it meant you hope he is not a micro managing control freak)? Anyway, why post this? Are you hoping for someone to dispel your worries? ;) If I were you I'd try not to worry so much. Why worry beforehand? You can complain plenty once the movie comes out and you don't like it. But in case you do, you have done all that worrying in vain ;)
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I think what you said OP goes without saying because it as is any Film, is the end result of a Collaborative effort. And The Best ones, to me at least, seem to draw on the best form each contributor
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Oh and also, I wouldn't worry about the production design because from the trailers at least, this movie looks absolutely great. Don't you think? So at least visually it should be great.
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@ wesen I "suffer in advance" like Virginia Woolf's Orlando lol And that's basically it, I wonder how all is going to work out. I swear in the end I'm just going to see the bright side of it.
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FROM ARKADINE [i]Well, I didn't want to spell it out but it seems some might have missed the point of my text. One guy got it. This time all the burden is on Ridley's Shoulders. But he is not a science fiction author. He didn't write the original Alien: Dan O'Bannon did; and he hadn't even read Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep? before shooting Blade Runner. Of course he is a great director. If his idea for Prometheus is really amazing and groundbreaking it will be a turn for him as as a screenwriter. But up to this moment, his best movies have seen him directing other people's stories.[/i] Ridely has already stated that he's a frustrated writer which is why he is very glad that he can afford to hire the quality of writers that he at this point. Take Kingdom of Heaven for example. The DC not the dreaded, chopped to pieces theatrical version that was total shite. He wanted to do a film about the Crusades. He had certain ideas, characters and themes he wanted to explore. He talked about it with William Monahan, who he was already working with on Tripoli. Monahan happened to be somewhat obsessed with that era and then searched for the best story to tell. He had always been interested in Baldwin IV aka the leper king. That time ended up being very interesting because it was a time of uneasy peace. Which in my and obviously their opinion is MUCH more interesting than a time of all out war. From the ideas, themes characters and so forth RS had stated he wanted to touch upon William Monahan wrote a wonderful script with RS deep in the process all along. Also involved deeply all along were Janty Yates and Aurthur Max. So, if your opinion of the KIngdom of Heaven Director's Cut is high then I think you have every right to be excited about this. I for one think of it as one of Ridley's best films. And not just visually. I mean, what would you have rather seen done?
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@Arkadine You have really very good points in your post. Thanks. I share your idea that in recent years Sir Ridley has being really a business man, but also I'm sure that with the nature of Prometheus, and what the movie really means... - Hello, I'm back...-, and with the "key selling point" FOX is "shouting" - The director that defines bla bla bla - Sir Ridley is very focus in his new sci-fi baby. Cheers!!!
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And let me just state that while the Kingdom of Heaven theatrical cut was enjoyed some by audiences it got pretty bad reviews but the majority of critics have hailed the Director's Cut as a masterpiece and the most noteworthy "Director's Cut" in existance. I have even read reviews from critics that absolutely trashed the theatrical only to turn around and praise the DC. Now this tells you something about Prometheus in a big way. It tells you why Fox left Ridley alone, let him do his thing and let him get the film an R rating. Just trust in RS. All else will fall into place.
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Arkadine
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Yes, that movie was visually arresting. I didn't know Ridley had so much involvement with the story.
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Yeah, he did. He has a completely nutty involvement in EVERYTHING. You really should get the 4 disc DC. I mean, he's sitting there feeling of all these different silks and fabrics that are going to be hanging in the background going "I want that" or "I like this but with a bit more of that." There's shit like that about EVERY aspect of the film. And it also has script meetings where he and Monahan are talking things out, justifying things, figuring out what this characters motivation is for saying that. It's a lot like David Fincher stuff I've seen except Scott's stuff is on such an epic scale and he's just involved in EVERYTHING. REally sorry if I came off as a dick. I'm just really passionate about the team Ridley has going right now and have studied just about everything I can about them. You see, like RS said in the KOH documentary stuff, he is a frustrated writer and he's glad he has the money to hire the kind of writers he can hire. So he goes out and tries to get the best of the best in regards to the genre he's working in. Maybe not the best writer in general but one that first off can write, 2nd one who knows the genre and 3rd someone he knows he can work well with. Sci-fi is a little tricky right now as far as writers go but reading what I have of Spaihts I think he's got a bright future. And while Lindeloff has his haters he's still a good writer. I think RS did the best he could with what he had in front of him. Watching what I've watched of the making of his films he is most certainly a team player. I wish you could see it all. Really though, can you think of who you would like to see instead of the people involved?
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Everybody... We have to accept that Sir Ridley Scott is one of the best, and probably the best cinematographer in the planet. He is a master in his art, and no matter is a "pretencious lite comedy about a guy with a vineyard", all his films are visually incredible and are at the edge of what a movie has to be. And yes, - Now he is filming in 3D... - Ufff and wooooowwww
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And since nobody has mentioned it, the score is already out there, and Streitenfeld, despite all his critics, managed to create a score with exciting contrasts between horror and wonder (including fan favorite call-backs, all while making it his own). There aren't pictures with the sound just yet, but all indications are that the man delivered. That's entirely subjective, but I believe it to be true. No telling what someone like Marco Beltrami might have done, but it would certainly appear that Ridley Scott still made a pretty good decision in trusting his frequent collaborator. And, yeah, the only vibe that I have ever gotten from anyone involved with this film, is nothing but extreme confidence in what they have. Fox execs probably pissed there pants upon there early screenings.
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@Famished Thanks to mentioned about the score. I'm an audio designer and composer. And the score is essential. A few months ago, I discussed regarding Streitenfeld, personally not my favorite, however, Marc, has worked with Sir Ridley for many years and projects, that I'm sure he is going to deliver great art. I know the score is already out there...but I'm waiting for the whole thing all-together. (Wait...wait...wait...put that credit card away...it's hard..hehe)
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I think it takes some repeat listens to appreciate, and just like Goldsmith's work on Alien, may not charge up anyone interested in a purely melodic score. Those elements are surely there, but the nature of this film needs much more than that. One cue will be quite beautiful, and the next will be very much inspired by sound designers like François Eudes Chanfrault. The sound agenda requires a fairly unique balance--no easy task. I think Streitenfeld found a way. Can't wait to hear it in the film.
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In defence of Lindeloff and Sphaits and Ridley, it seams to me like the creative process was very collaborative and creative. It wasnt a bunch of talentless Fox suits rushing to put a story together, this was talented, creative individuals with a strong passion for the subject matter.....Have some faith and comfort in the above point!
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@ Deckard_B26354 Well, I never thought of any writers for a project like this, but now that you ask, maybe Jonathan and christopher Nolan (can you imagine the Nolans teaming up with Ridlet Scott?), or Duncan Jones (Moon, Source Code)
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@Famished Thanks for your words and thoughts on the sound design and score! Agree 100%. I don't want to say something that "the regular audience" are not intrested or pay attention to the general sound design or score, but my point is that it's a very important part of a complete experience of a movie. Thanks again.

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