number of crewmembers - plot holes?

the face head: david sees shaw is pregnant during his investigation of her. I presumed the squidthingy was dead...it looks dead after the freezing.

slipp digby: if you pay that little attention to the movie howcan you complain so much about it? Weylands goal was not to meet a live engineer. His goal was to change his 'longevity'. Of course they think the bioformer is a possible means of rejuvenation....they would have to think very very untraditionally NOT to consider this possibility and test it out.

The setup for the baby scene was poor too. Scene 1) oh you have a medpod that can perform any kind of surgery Scene 2) I can't have babies Scene 3) your 3 months pregnant

slippdigby: as for sadism in David. David show several unhealthy personality traits (unrelated to our discussion). Some of his digs at Shaw and Holloway does reveal a desire to hurt them. Particularly his hint at delight at Shaw losing her faith.

thenextlv426: were you asleep during Alien as well? 1) the medpod cant perform any kind of surgery. it can perform practically any kind of surgery and it is calibrated for a male patient (Weyland). 2) and 3) You might have noticed in Prometheus that the biotechnology of the engineers was highly advanced and didnt exactly follow human conventions. What ? It made shaw fertile again? It shaped life on entire planets throught the break down of an individual engineers DNA? It morphed small worms into 3 foot long penis/vagina variations? It makes a xeno onboard the Nostromo grow way to fast and way to big compared in too short a time in the wrong environment. Molecular acid for blood? what what what? ! :)

Galacticnorth, I've only seen it once so I can't remember him investigating her. So if he knew it was inside her he must have just wanted her dead? Or be waiting for something to happen at least? That makes sense but why not address this further? Why not be there all the time (like Ash who is virtually always in the lab during the impregnation)? If his priority is Weyland why not give us a scene of him waking him up so we know he has other priorities? This is my point, they tried to put SO much into a 2hour film that they rush from sequence to sequence without explaining what's going on or giving ANYTHING that happens any importance!

thefacehead: well you dont have to see it more than once to remember david examining her. It is after all David that finds out she is pregnant and reveals it to her and the audience. I dont need someone to spoon feed me what is going on....and i certainly dont need an ending that makes me happy in any way. I enjoy movies that leave some actual thinking to the audience. Mulholland drive is perfect...it leave you with a mystery wrapped in an enigma. Prometheus leaves the audience with several riddles and its not very interested in trying to reveal them. What does David say to the engineer? :) The gripe alot of people have with Lost is that it doesnt end the way they wanted it to end. What kind of attitude to life and art is that really? :)

I don't want to be spoon feed either and I am sorry I don't have a photographic memeory regarding the scene with David (it was about 1am I was tired). I will watch it again, okay? Happy now lol. You will just have to accept that people have a different view in things to you mate and stop jumping down peoples throats. Lost? Really? Didn't think an arguement for Prometheus being brilliant and mysterious would include such a bad make-it-up-as-you-go-along TV programme

thefacehead: I'm not a fan of lost just so we are clear on that :) It was however very well written and hooked a lot of people and spawned A LOT of debate. I merely find it incredible that some fans of the series make derogatory remarks about it because it didnt end they way they would have liked it to end. It's a horrid way to look at art and artists.

It's all subjective art is subjective, you can't have a go at people for not liking things that's life. I am more of a Soprano's man and thought the ending to that was genius! I Love Sunshine but not quite sure on the last act, I am not gunna phone Danny Boyle up and have a go at him about it, nore if I met him would I start licking his ass just because he's an artist! Right I am outta here, thanks for the chit chat.

@galaticnorth Yes the medpod is calibrated for a male, but it takes her all of 10 seconds to program it to perform the operation she wanted. Seems like it can perform any operation to me so I don't get your point

My point is that she found a way to describe an operation that the medpod was calibrated to perform. So what?

I can have a go at people who treat artists as if they are their slaves. A lot of geek communities have a disturbed way of looking at writers or directors. if you dont like Lost...no problem. But making derogatory remarks about the writer because the ending isnt the way you pictured it thats another thing entirely. "Give us what we want or else...:" That is the tone of some people on this board (and on george rr martin or starwars or U2 boards etc etc. There were actually people who started namecalling George Lucas because the Phantom Menace was not a mature masterpiece. They didnt care that the 10-year olds loved it the same way they had loved Star Wars back in the day :) Chances are the people who grew up with Star Wars wont like the Phantom Menace...i know i dont. It's a movie made for kids. Well shock and awe...i saw the original Star Wars on TV the other day and it was a movie made for kids. The story, acting, dialogue.....it didnt really stand out as a masterpiece compared to the Phantom Menace :)

The phantom menace was a direct prequel to star wars and as such had to live within certain constraints. It also suffered from Ja Ja Binks syndrome.. Prometheus on the other hand had free reign to invent a new universe. Give us what we want - no. Give us something that doesn't insult our intelligence - yes

@galacticnorth “if you pay that little attention to the movie how can you complain so much about it? Weylands goal was not to meet a live engineer. His goal was to change his 'longevity'.“ Weyland wants longevity, but there is very clear evidence he believes and expects to (physically) meet his maker and that this is his goal:- - Shaw talks about Engineer’s during the briefing - Weyland takes a robot that is clumsily shown to be trained in speaking ancient language. Not writing, SPEAKING. This suggests he expects to find someone/thing to communicate with. - Weyland goes there full stop. If he just wanted to test a bioformer or steal technology - why risk such a long journey in stasis physically going on such a dangerous journey? - Weyland is only taken out of stasis when David comes back from the second trip to the temple after he is seen joyously finding a live engineer in stasis. This is obviously a, if not THE key objective, he remains in stasis when the goo is originally found. - Weyland risks one of his three remaining days of life to physically go into the temple to speak to the engineer, why not just wait for more tests to be sure, or why not send David or the others? - David and Weyland are uninterested in Holloway and Shaw’s fate once they believe there is a live engineer. Despite the fact that the goo gave Holloway a f****in horrible death. I think you may have missed a key point. Weyland considers himself a God (not in the religious sense) exactly like the engineers. He wants to physically meet his maker and ask for what he wants in person. His death is symbolic – by making the request for immortality and not accepting death is inevitable - he is show to not be humble before his god. Jeesh, if you pay that little attention no wonder you missed the plotholes!! haha! ;)

“Of course they think the bioformer is a possible means of rejuvenation....they would have to think very very untraditionally NOT to consider this possibility and test it out.” I don’t expect them to perform a randomised controlled trial in space, but I do expect some common sense. You would have to think very untraditionally to expose someone to an unknown agent without isolating them. You would have to think very untraditionally to do this to someone who is potentially infecting the ship, crew and air you yourself will have to breathe when you come out of stasis. The point I was making was this character would have been stronger with clear motivation. If Weyland (and by extension David) is such a asshole devoid of morals who cares about no one but himself – and is will to kill people who have helped him - why the subterfuge to infect holloway? Why put it in his drink? Take control of the ship by force. Just get a gun and force Holloway to take it. Your still f***ing murdering him but at least you can ensure you dont die with bulging viens at the wrong end of Vickers' flamethrowner by containing him. In fact why take these people who could wreck you plans. Just have a team of mercs and David. Does he want to kill him but isnt sure if he does? How does this add to Weyland or Davids characters? If David is so focused on his aim, why risk rescuing Shaw from the storm? Leave her, get the head (which might be useful to weylands aims) and leave Shaw out there. These ambiguities are not rich character details which are intertwined in the plot, like say Ash's unbelievable decision as science officer to break quarantine in Alien. They are the result of sloppy writing. Story led by script and not by strong believable characters which makes them really do anything in any situation to move teh story on.

@slipp_digby (above) Absolutely mate - and so endeth the lesson.