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Ridley Scott is wrong - First Engineer Not On Earth

XenoGuard25

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(*EDIT* I feel this is necessary to post, so please read. I am personally not trying to change anyone's views on the Engineer's whereabouts or significant plot points in the story. This is just what made the most sense to me. I could be very wrong, I could be very right. Either way, I'm just sharing my thoughts.) (Giving Fair Warning, this is kind of a lengthy read. I have yet to see this theory as well, so I apologize if I'm double posting.) Hello Prometheus-movie.com community, I've been following these boards for a while, but first time posting. I would like to offer my theory on why Ridley Scott is wrong about the first Engineer, and how this small plot point ties the entire movie together. The sacrificial engineer is not on Earth, and here's why: First of all the Space Jockeys have technology that is beyond our understanding. They are far more advanced than we are, or at least this is what the movie is leading us to believe. So in that respect I don't believe that they need to undergo a terribly painful suicide to narrow down a few DNA strands. The movie even shows humans narrowing down human DNA with a little laser that took maybe a couple seconds. All an engineer would have to do is narrow out their DNA and dump it in the water. No fuss. So I don't believe the Engineer at the beginning had to drink the black goo to introduce human DNA. Secondly, they show us the mothership. If anyone else noticed the giant saucer ship in the beginning was full of the little horseshoe ships. Why do the Space Jockeys need to carry around their mothership just to drop off one engineer to seed Earth? They could've easily plopped out a horseshoe ship to drop off the Engineer to seed life on Earth, and you're done. There's no need to show the mothership on Earth. It makes more sense to show giant vessels on LV-223 since that's their base of operations. So where is the Engineer, and why is he drinking a horrible bio-weapon? Let me tell you, he's on LV-223! The landscape looks extremely similar, and it ties the movie together to make sense. I believe the Engineer was apart of the research and development Space Jockey team on LV-223. This Engineer witnessed how corrupt his people had become, and wanted no part of it. After seeing the potential of the black goo, as well as its destruction he had only one choice; Drink the goo and release the contamination onto the facility to stop their crimes against the universe. This would explain how the facility on LV-223 was compromised, how there were compromised escape ships that and crashed on LV-423, and frankly ties up the entire black goo plothole mess (how it deconstructs engineers, but mutates humans / worms, yet also begins to deconstruct humans again (Holloway)). This also explains why the pilot space jockey wanted to continue with his mission to Earth. He was the 'last' space jockey of the research and black goo development team, and escaped the wrath of the engineer that sacrificed himself in the beginning to stop this facility. I do believe the movie is stating Engineers created life on Earth. So in that respect, yes I believe the Engineers created life on Earth. However I don't agree the first scene of the movie depicts this plot point. How do I explain the director is wrong? Well the director just directs. He isn't the writer. In the end, Ridley's theories will most likely always be taken over the original intention of the writer. However, I believe the writer intended this explanation.
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I haven't seen any of the alien movies so maybe that makes a difference but I don't think the guy in the beginning was on earth, or if he was thats fine but it's not super related to the movie. If he was seeding earth with the building blocks of life a billion years ago (I have got to think there is a better way than disolving yourself) that's all well and good but it has no baring on the plot of the movie which realy revolves around blue people's interaction with humans and the big WTF moment where we learn that humans are a genetic match for blue people. Not just that we are made from the same genetic material (earth worms and eagles are made of the same stuff) but members of the same species, like how an 8 foot nordic albino and a pigmy are the same species, human, but look very different. If he was poisoning the desert alien planet that at least has a bearing on the plot but I'm confused as to how that would work. The dead aliens were running from something and you don't run from a water born virus. Also the virus seems to disolve you (as happened to opening scene blue guy, and handsome doctor man). They mentioned how well preserved the dead alien bodies were, which is the opposite of disolved. If disolving alien unleashed those wormy things (which I could see happeneing since poisoned handsome doctor man had tiny eye worms) then the dead blue aliens didn't show any signs of crazy worm death, such as being crushed, or face melted, or turned into a super strong crazy zombie, like the geologist. So I don't realy get either theory. Maybe it is not at all realevent to this move and will be book ended in the next one. I hope there is a next one I liked it a lot. SIDE QUESTION: When registering I was asked to solve simple math problems to prove I was not a synthetic. Can they not do math? I would think if I were to build a robot the one thing it could do would be math.
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Hmmmmm
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What?... I think you've missed the point - which, I have heard tell, is, specifically, to do with the genesis of Humankind/Life, on [u]Earth?[/u] That's the actual, material and significant point of the Story - hence it seems rational that the prologue would naturally be suggestive of Earth? And his DNA was dumped and rebuilt in a process that was suggestive of kick-starting cellular organisation and duplication - it was more than just DNA, it was actual "Life". It would only make more, "sense", for all that to be set elsewhere than Earth if in order to fit this idea you've just come up with in your head. It also wouldn't follow - because where is all the life on LV223 that he went to all the trouble to sacrificed himself to start?... I'm going to suggest to you that, in terms of a Prologue being to do with Earth and that fact actually befitting the Story that was actually promoted and, supposedly, then filmed - Ridley Scott is significantly more right than you are.
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@thefacehead.... i agree hmmmmm! @xenoguard25..... so your saying that the space ship at the start of the film...dropped this guy off....where he drank the black goo...to infect the planet....to stop the engineers doing what they do....and then this space ship landed and got involved in the dying part instead of flying away to safety?....not disagreeing in the sense that it could be a different planet (though i highly doubt it considering what the film is supposed to be about, life on earth and all that)...but also cells in these opening moments where starting to evolve life of some kind which kicked in....resembling human dna....nice ideas but you've kinda contradicted yourself (absolutely no disrespect intended) just for me a big gap in your idea...
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in the recently posted scans of the Prometheus art book, the opening scene portrays it more as a ritual. [img]http://i42.servimg.comhttps://scified.com/u/f42/16/22/94/10/hpqsca16.jpg[/img]
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@allinamberclad - We're just going to have to agree to disagree. @Nickell, please re-read my post. That's not what I'm saying at all. My post states that the Engineer is on LV-223. Not some random planet. I state that the mothership dropping the engineer on earth makes no sense. The mothership is on LV-223, where it makes sense to have such large vessels. Also, that DNA strand could have been anything. The DNA strand, in my opinion, was the contagious outbreak that lead to the monsters chasing the Space Jockeys in the Holograph. Thanks for the picture Brett, but to go along with my post - Ridley interpreted this story the way he wanted, and I feel he's wrong. So, of course he would have the art made to match his view.
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@Brett love that stuff man...thanks very much for posting i haven't seen these....they'd obviously dropped some of that idea for the film....where ever they are earth or otherwise the place looks dead or derelict or is indeed a new born planet....in need of life and growth? maybe.....like you say its very ritualistic....kinda reminds me of a chosen one or majesty....maybe his DNA was more pure or something and is sacrificial because of his position and/or lineage....
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you filled a big gap OP. thank you.
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@xenoguard out of respect my friend i have re -read your post....and it is what your saying!...i think you need to go back and read your own post and see whats wrong with it...youve went off on your own tangent to explain a point that you've come up with yourself....i mean really....the ancient ancestors must have some eye sight to see this guy sacrifice himself on another planet and then scribe it on walls on earth in their own back yard....it does indeed make more sense to drop the engineer of on earth if indeed he is there to create life which is the whole premise of the film anyway...where the tory is passed down over all these civilisations which as i ve said already....they scribe on the walls...which leads to the whole point of going to find them anyway....come on man!....and it makes no sense at all to drop of a guy to kill himself and kill the rest of the planet...only for the ship to stick around and be killed along with everyone else on this foreign planet....that IS what your saying...3rdly and most blatantly....its human DNA at the start of the film....thats why it matches....(although ludicrously) later on in the film....when Shaw examines and compares it....it matches ours....where'd we get it from.....that planet your saying he was on at the start?...where everybody died? according to you.
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@XenoGuard25 Yes. I think we're going to have to agree that the one position is supported by declaration of the Authors and supporting material (ie: the film and the Story it relates): and the other position seems supported only by what you have made up in your head.
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Ugh.. this website keeps losing my replies. @Nickell Thank you for rereading my post. I mean no disrespect by anything I type, however this is the last time I'm going to clarify my post. I didn't state in anyway that the mothership dropped off the Engineer to destroy the facility on LV-223. I'm saying the Engineer worked at this facility, walked out, took the black goo to contaminate the planet to stop production of the black goo. I also agree that the movie states the Engineers created life on Earth. I just don't agree that the first scene is depicting this. My reasons are in my OP. @allinamberclad You're right. This is my opinion, and it made the most sense to me. However, there was another script written before Lindelof's edits. Perhaps this script could prove me right, or I'm completely wrong. Either way, this was my opinion based off the movie Lindelof and Ridley Scott presented to me.
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@exnoguard25... and i quote from your post...ahem!...."Why do the Space Jockeys need to carry around their mothership just to drop off one sacrificial engineer? They could've easily plopped out a horseshoe ship, drop him off, and you're done." I'm can't waste time on this.....your theory all though a great one....has no place in this film.... theres a very good reason why you haven't seen this theory posted before....peace out
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@xenonguard and you know what....just for good measure...another quote from your post..... "This also explains why the pilot space jockey wanted to continue with his mission to Earth. He was the 'last' space jockey of the team, and escaped the wrath of the sacrificial engineer." this would be the last space jockey who survived the WRATH of the sacrificial engineer you now say ddn't go about killing the planet...indeed the same space jockey who was on his way to earth to kill us humans who HADN'T been created because this all started on lv223..with the sacrificial engineer...who amazingly just so happens to have the same dan as humans....and ends up on archaic walls of the ancient people of our civilisation ....separated by thousands of earth miles and earth years......do you finally get a hold of what you wrote.
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@xenonguard and you know what....just for good measure...another quote from your post..... "This also explains why the pilot space jockey wanted to continue with his mission to Earth. He was the 'last' space jockey of the team, and escaped the wrath of the sacrificial engineer." this would be the last space jockey who survived the WRATH of the sacrificial engineer you now say ddn't go about killing the planet...indeed the same space jockey who was on his way to earth to kill us humans who HADN'T been created because this all started on lv223..with the sacrificial engineer...who amazingly just so happens to have the same dan as humans....and ends up on archaic walls of the ancient people of our civilisation ....separated by thousands of earth miles and earth years......do you finally get a hold of what you wrote.
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@xenonguard and you know what....just for good measure...another quote from your post..... "This also explains why the pilot space jockey wanted to continue with his mission to Earth. He was the 'last' space jockey of the team, and escaped the wrath of the sacrificial engineer." this would be the last space jockey who survived the WRATH of the sacrificial engineer you now say ddn't go about killing the planet...indeed the same space jockey who was on his way to earth to kill us humans who HADN'T been created because this all started on lv223..with the sacrificial engineer...who amazingly just so happens to have the same dan as humans....and ends up on archaic walls of the ancient people of our civilisation ....separated by thousands of earth miles and earth years......do you finally get a hold of what you wrote.
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@xenonguard and you know what....just for good measure...another quote from your post..... "This also explains why the pilot space jockey wanted to continue with his mission to Earth. He was the 'last' space jockey of the team, and escaped the wrath of the sacrificial engineer." this would be the last space jockey who survived the WRATH of the sacrificial engineer you now say ddn't go about killing the planet...indeed the same space jockey who was on his way to earth to kill us humans who HADN'T been created because this all started on lv223..with the sacrificial engineer...who amazingly just so happens to have the same dan as humans....and ends up on archaic walls of the ancient people of our civilisation ....separated by thousands of earth miles and earth years......do you finally get a hold of what you wrote.
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@xenonguard and you know what....just for good measure...another quote from your post..... "This also explains why the pilot space jockey wanted to continue with his mission to Earth. He was the 'last' space jockey of the team, and escaped the wrath of the sacrificial engineer." this would be the last space jockey who survived the WRATH of the sacrificial engineer you now say ddn't go about killing the planet...indeed the same space jockey who was on his way to earth to kill us humans who HADN'T been created because this all started on lv223..with the sacrificial engineer...who amazingly just so happens to have the same dan as humans....and ends up on archaic walls of the ancient people of our civilisation ....separated by thousands of earth miles and earth years......do you finally get a hold of what you wrote.
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@xenonguard and you know what....just for good measure...another quote from your post..... "This also explains why the pilot space jockey wanted to continue with his mission to Earth. He was the 'last' space jockey of the team, and escaped the wrath of the sacrificial engineer." this would be the last space jockey who survived the WRATH of the sacrificial engineer you now say ddn't go about killing the planet...indeed the same space jockey who was on his way to earth to kill us humans who HADN'T been created because this all started on lv223..with the sacrificial engineer...who amazingly just so happens to have the same dan as humans....and ends up on archaic walls of the ancient people of our civilisation ....separated by thousands of earth miles and earth years......do you finally get a hold of what you wrote.
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@xenonguard and you know what....just for good measure...another quote from your post..... "This also explains why the pilot space jockey wanted to continue with his mission to Earth. He was the 'last' space jockey of the team, and escaped the wrath of the sacrificial engineer." this would be the last space jockey who survived the WRATH of the sacrificial engineer you now say ddn't go about killing the planet...indeed the same space jockey who was on his way to earth to kill us humans who HADN'T been created because this all started on lv223..with the sacrificial engineer...who amazingly just so happens to have the same dan as humans....and ends up on archaic walls of the ancient people of our civilisation ....separated by thousands of earth miles and earth years......do you finally get a hold of what you wrote.
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I tried to adjust my original post to clarify for you Nickell. If you're still trying to pick apart my post, then I honestly can't make you understand what I'm saying. I also can not post on this website for some reason. It's taking 5mins just to load up a page. Thanks to everyone that read my theory, and for the posts whether they're agreeing or disagreeing. I hope I helped piece a bit of the story together, or at least give another way to look at this movie.

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