Haven't seen a movie this bad since Dragon Wars

Skinner
MemberOvomorphJune 08, 20123807 Views63 RepliesI walked out of Dragon Wars and almost walked out of this one too. I saw six other people get up and leave. Story and dialogue were very disappointing for the last 90 mins of the film. It was very boring and it lacked suspense. Been reading these forums for 3 months and just feel extremely let down.
June 09, 2012
@Skinner im with you 100%. No denying that was actually a watchable movie. My mate said as we left the cinema. Even Pitch Black seemed worthy of an Oscar compared to that.
I agreed totally.
June 09, 2012
@Lopan you may have a case with many of your points, but in the case of the Prometheus stumbling upon the alien installations upon arrival, it might be dismissed if you take on account that it is explained later on that there are many ships and therefore many silos for those ships on LV 223
June 09, 2012
"Anyone saying this was a good movie has to be a little simple."
Sorry Lopan, but that is an asinine remark. Opinions and a-holes, my friend.
June 09, 2012
Lopan,
I have no issue whatsoever with your hating the film and cutting it to shreds, but your calling people who find joy in it "simple" is a reflection on YOU and your sense of self, not on anyone else's intelligence.
June 09, 2012
I think the more pertinent question is why you would decide to go see Dragon Wars in theaters in the first place lol
June 09, 2012
There was zilch at the movies that week. Either some comedy romance or scorched flesh. Wrong choice obv.
June 09, 2012
I thought it stunk too and my daughter e-mails me today saying she thought it was "awesome" so I know the positive opinions on this forum aren't from people who worked on the movie. How so many opinions differ on this one. It is worse than the elections lol
June 09, 2012
This movie will get better and better and will be a classic timeless movie. Humans will attempt the things that are discussed in this movie.
June 09, 2012
Ok, this is the 100th thread I've seen like this. Venting time.
Ok, first, I've seen it twice. No one walked out and it got applause both times. Everyone has their own opinion, but there's a difference between something being 'bad' and 'not liking it'. It's actually interesting how often this line is blurred this forum.
Example. I don't like Titanic. It's a well-made film with well-rounded characters and a coherent narrative, but it's not my cup of tea. I'm not about to go and compare it to 'Plan 9 from Outer Space' in terms of quality. I'd rather watch 'Plan 9', but by no means is it a better film.
Second. It's good this film is getting so many strong opinions. It's not often you encounter a film as polarizing as this, it's been profoundly interesting to see everyone's theories and comments on it. But, with it's release, there have been rounds of trolling/flaming people for having these opposite opinions. Even I have to bite my tongue (erm, fingers?) at certain claims of quality, but people like what they like. It doesn't make them stupid, snobs, fanboys, or whatever else. No matter what, Prometheus is a movie. A piece of entertainment. So Lopan, don't you dare accuse someone of being 'simple' for liking a piece of entertainment.
June 09, 2012
I dare say what i like. If something is "Bad" you say? I have stated why and they are opened eyed floors in the movie. That is not hating for the sake of it. Trust me im more pissed off then anybody about this film haha. I have waited 20 odd years for this movie.
People will say as they wish at the end of the day. I would reply the same thing to someone telling me that Skyline was a confusing epic tale of brilliance. Id say "You must be a bit a simple" cos it clearly is not.
There are people that tell the truth and those that lie. I don't lie.
June 09, 2012
@Lopan
:When entering the planets atmosphere how comes the Prometheus ship just so happens to arrive right outside the engineers ship? Just pure coincidence?
*They probly sent other ships out to map the area or just luck
2: Why is it when old man Wayland is discovered not one crew member said anything about him being there?
*Because all the people that didnt know were already dead
3: Why did Shaw tell the security guy "No Weapons" when there is clearly Aliens present ? That is just silly.
*They werent sure if there truly were aliens there. Also why would you attack the people that "invited" you
4: What an earth did the first scene with the Engineer drinking and dying have to do with any part of the movie?
*this was the scene that showed how humans came to be.
5: Why did the space jockey (Engineer) just get up and attempt flying back to earth? He could have got up at any time the millions of years he was there. Why now?
*someone had to wake him up, he went to sleep before they all died
6: Shaw gives birth to a baby alien yet she is now fine to run around within 2 mins? None of the crew question or ask her if she is ok after having an Alien removed from herself.
*Shes just awsome like that. As for the crew i cant answer that lol why wouldnt you ask wtf happend when she comes stumbling out all bloody
7: Why does the captain always ask where people are or what they are doing when he has a huge hologram map on the deck along with cameras attached to every crew member?
*To get their point of veiw?
8: How did they find the planet that was billions of miles from earth?
*they explaind that. the scientists pressed the cube and talked about how it was the only solar system that matched the pictures. do you really want to sit through another hour showing how they found it????
9: When the two crew members were lost why did the captain not just watch the camera footage instead of everyone randomly just going onto the planet searching ? Again they are all tagged why not look on the giant hologram that tells them as it beeps the whole movie?
*Static from the storm made it impossible to get an accurate fix. Not to mention he was to busy screwing the blonde chick when their call came in
This is just my POV it made sence to me and I really enjoyed the movie
June 09, 2012
1:When entering the planets atmosphere how comes the Prometheus ship just so happens to arrive right outside the engineers ship? Just pure coincidence?
[i]We saw them flying over the planet's surface for a litle while, before going through a pass where sraight lines popped up on a screen. How much more time should they have spent doing that while we watched the scenery.......I mean after all, it [i]could[/i] have required many hours........right[/i]?
2: Why is it when old man Wayland is discovered not one crew member said anything about him being there?
[i]Uh.....see, he[i] paid[/i] for the whole trip. If he didn't want everyone to know, they wouldn't.
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3: Why did Shaw tell the security guy "No Weapons" when there is clearly Aliens present ? That is just silly.
[i]Conflicting agendas all over the ship......would it have been more credible for an idealistic Scientist to strap on a pulse-rifle/grenade launcher?[/i]
4: What an earth did the first scene with the Engineer drinking and dying have to do with any part of the movie?
[i]It speaks to their culture....and perhaps, early examples of [i]human[/i] culture........the concept of sacrifice is an important component of [i]many[/i] human religions, for example........see the connection now?[/i]
5: Why did the space jockey (Engineer) just get up and attempt flying back to earth? He could have got up at any time the millions of years he was there. Why now?
[i]He was there for 2000 years, not millions......but good question. If he wasn't sleeping on a timer, what was the plan? Do you suppose it's pure coincidence that the urns started oozing the black goo when humans entered the "temple"....or is there, perhaps, more to it, than that?[/i]
6: Shaw gives birth to a baby alien yet she is now fine to run around within 2 mins? None of the crew question or ask her if she is ok after having an Alien removed from herself.
[i]Only David knew, beforehand. We don't know exactly what the rest of the crew knew afterwards. Shaw makes it down the corridor, while jamming herself with pain-killers, but then she collapses. No one could have talked to her to learn exactly what happened. Presumably, David told them some story, but almost certainly not the truth, since the squid thing is still around at the end. [/i]
7: Why does the captain always ask where people are or what they are doing when he has a huge hologram map on the deck along with cameras attached to every crew member?
[i]The only time I remember seeing remote video feeds, was during their outings to the "temple" complex. The spheres only mapped inside the temples to some extent.....When Janet exclaims: "What the hell is going on down there," they're inside the hangar bay. Why would they be feeding remote video from there?[/i]
8: How did they find the planet that was billions of miles from earth? All we see is "Movie intro at cave in Scotland" .... "Oh there is a picture of some people who i think are gods" ... "They want us to find them" (Cut scene) "Captain we are here at the planet."
[i]They found the planet, by matching up the star pattern in early human art-works, with images from telescopes. Humans have already explored a large swath of space by this time......finding a planet within the habitable zones of a particular cluster of stars would presumably not be all that complicated.[/i]
9: When the two crew members were lost why did the captain not just watch the camera footage instead of everyone randomly just going onto the planet searching ? Again they are all tagged why not look on the giant hologram that tells them as it beeps the whole movie?
[i]Did those spheres actually provide real-time tracking of humans in the corridors, even after they'd moved beyond line-of-sight?.......cuz, it wouln't really make sense if they did.[/i]
10: Overall a huge let down of a movie. There were so many distracting plot holes and pointless thing's happening it become silly watching it. I also witnessed people leaving the cinema which i have never seen.
[i]That opinion is valid for you, but not necessarily, anyone else.[/i]
June 09, 2012
Honestly, a lot of what you asked will probably be revealed in the DVD extras, but I'll throw in my bits.
1:When entering the planets atmosphere how comes the Prometheus ship just so happens to arrive right outside the engineers ship? Just pure coincidence?
The ship comes through, spots something, investigates. Do you really need a "we've been flying around for an hours and nothing" scene where just when everyone's frustrated they find something? For the sake of time they happen upon something of interest without every detail being unnecessarily hashed out.
2: Why is it when old man Wayland is discovered not one crew member said anything about him being there?
Again, may be in the extras, but by the time he shows up most of the people that his daughter didn't hire personally are dead and it can probably be assumed that everyone else knew. If they didn't, oh well.
3: Why did Shaw tell the security guy "No Weapons" when there is clearly Aliens present ? That is just silly.
They had no proof of any life when they first left the ship, let alone hostile life so they didn't take weapons. They are assuming these are our creators who invited us to come to them once we were capable, so perhaps they didn't think showing up with glocks blazing was the way to go.
4: What an earth did the first scene with the Engineer drinking and dying have to do with any part of the movie?
The Engineer dying seeded the waters on Earth or whatever planet that was.
5: Why did the space jockey (Engineer) just get up and attempt flying back to earth? He could have got up at any time the millions of years he was there. Why now?
As someone else already posted either another person or some system would have had to awaken him. Never seen a hint in any movie with cryosleep that one can simply exit it at will.
6: Shaw gives birth to a baby alien yet she is now fine to run around within 2 mins? None of the crew question or ask her if she is ok after having an Alien removed from herself.
As far as running around, did you not notice how many different things she injected herself with and all the pills she took? She hopped herself up on pain meds and stimulants. The old man and his flunkies saw her as a non-issue. The captain did ask if she was ok.
7: Why does the captain always ask where people are or what they are doing when he has a huge hologram map on the deck along with cameras attached to every crew member?
This seemed a little silly even to me. I understand that perhaps coordinates weren't exact, but he should have had a general idea of where everyone was. As the life reading from the one area only came up at times it's clear the scanners and relays weren't perfect, but that was a little silly.
8: How did they find the planet that was billions of miles from earth? All we see is "Movie intro at cave in Scotland" .... "Oh there is a picture of some people who i think are gods" ... "They want us to find them" (Cut scene) "Captain we are here at the planet."
Again, I'm sure this will be in the extras/extended cut. That said, this is something they could have taken an extra few minutes to work into the plot.
9: When the two crew members were lost why did the captain not just watch the camera footage instead of everyone randomly just going onto the planet searching ? Again they are all tagged why not look on the giant hologram that tells them as it beeps the whole movie?
Location wise I'm assuming that their locators were damaged in some way that prevented the signal from showing up until the geologist was reasonably close to the ship. Not checking the video feed made no sense though. As much as was spent on the expedition there's no way every second wasn't being recorded.
10: Overall a huge let down of a movie. There were so many distracting plot holes and pointless thing's happening it become silly watching it. I also witnessed people leaving the cinema which i have never seen.
I enjoyed it and definitely would see it again. Probably will because the visuals just won't be anywhere near as amazing on a tv set. There were definitely holes, and some things felt "off" like a violent destroyer using a flute-driven ship, though I'm assuming there are others of his race not bent on wiping earth out as a failed experiment. Some things could have been developed better. The octopi mutations just felt a little contrived. Seems like they could have come up with something a little better. Regardless, I was satisfied
June 09, 2012
Lopan,
I'm with full agreement. Been at this website since its inception.
I watched it today. As I walked out today of the theater, I asked myself do I need to watch this again. Then I stopped. I realized at that point that I was just being a fan boy. I was attempting to justify liking this film for several reasons... namely Prometheus being the most anticipated film that I ever wanted to watch.
My expectations weren't set to high. I could care less wether I didn't see the any aliens from the movie Alien or any direct connection to its predecessor. If it was a movie that stood on it's own then so be it. It just didn't cut it, and for me, it's the first time I've seen a Ridley Scott film that didn't meet my expectations. It was lacking in so many areas, and the plot was most disappointing. Honestly, some of the stories many people theorized at this website were much better. Damon Lindelof's writing as always leaves more questions than answers and I feel the source of my dislike.
In the theater, I didn't see anybody walk out. There wasn't applause. What I did see were people sighing and bored. The main look I saw on people's faces once the film was over... "that's all this was?" I knew something was going to be wrong when I saw the concession stand clerk tell me that the film had him yearning for more.
I've sobered up. I was a fan and the marketing got me hyped up but more than anything it was the fact that one of my favorite directors was back in science fiction.
Don't know maybe when it's released on Blue-Ray and see a director's cut and see all the footage that was edited out will this movie solidify.
June 09, 2012
@Lopan - many of your questions and supposed plot holes were actually answered in the film.
To answer some of your issues... (although others have also answered many of these)
#1 - how they immediately found the alien installation -- pointed out by another poster but there are supposedly hundreds of these ships around the moon. Though I suppose something could have been said about locating a structure in a scan and heading in that direction.
#2 -- Shaw did question Weyland being on the ship when she saw him. Other than the few scientists the rest where ship crew and they probably knew he was aboard. Many of them would have to in order to prep him when removed from stasis
#3 - Why didn't Shaw want to bring weapons... Shaw is a scientist, not military. Her assumption was that these alien engineers had created us and were therefore our benign forefathers. Why would she want to bring weapons?
#4 - first scene with engineer drinking liquid and dying -- this was already answered perfectly by another poster; an alien priest sacrificing himself to create us
#5 - space jockey suddenly getting up from stasis -- already answered as well but he didn't get up on his own did he? David got him out of stasis
#6 - Shaw running around after surgically removing the alien -- she was doped up on pain killer and probably didn't feel much of the pain in spite of the physical internal damage all the running around may have been causing (cortisone in torn knees, etc); also, only David knew she was carrying an alien in her. No one else was present when they learned this. So no one could rightly ask her about it
#7 - Captain asking people where they are -- I concede this point somewhat but a case could be made that the hologram, although informative, wasn't completely adequate to determine all the info he required
#8 - how they found the planet billions of miles away -- they explained this clearly.... the constellation pattern on the petroglyphs and cave paintings all matched up perfectly to a constellation pattern/planetary system they eventually discovered and so knew how to locate this
#9 - two crew members lost, why not look at camera footage -- their helmets and cameras were destroyed, perhaps any recorded footage wasn't viable
#10 - don't understand what you mean by pointless things happening. Ridley Scott didn't intend to make an "Alien" movie. That crap is totally played out. The intent was to create an "origin" movie. Frankly the idea of the alien being a genetically engineered biological weapon rather than an organically evolved species is freaking cool.
The one issue I really have is the fact that in the original Alien the Space Jockey was discovered in his pilot's chair with his chest burst open. This jockey was in the life pod. I doubt this huge fact was overlooked though so I can only imagine there are more engineers in other ships on the planet and that this new alien bursting from the engineer's chest at the end is the beginning of this new species with perhaps even a Queen being made to lay the eggs eventually found by the Nostromo crew.
June 09, 2012
Though I will admit, although I enjoyed the film (I didn't go in with major expectations after reading critic reviews ahead of time), it certainly didn't measure up to the hype. Of course the visuals were stunning and the creature effects were cool. And the premise was excellent. But the narrative did slow a bit and the few scenes that tension was starting to build didn't last nearly long enough. Overall rating 3 out of 5. Though many will think I'm being too generous
June 09, 2012
@Lopan
I enjoyed the film because I know how to pay attention, sorry but I lost all patience with you people wildly bashing the film.
I understand that you didn't like the movie, but your reasons for it are dumb.
You nit picked it dry and half of these questions you should have known the answer to if you know...PAID ATTENTION TO THE MOVIE.
I respect your opinion but in all honesty I think your are a dumbass.
June 09, 2012
Almost all of Zopans's complaints are on the money. I think Prometheus suffers from sequel-itis.
After FiField gets ran over by the rover where did those crew members go. They did not return to the ship. If so, why did Janek gives his copilots the option to leave with Vikers, but let the rest of the crew go down with the ship?
That doesn't sound right so I believe they are still on the surface in the rover.