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Haven't seen a movie this bad since Dragon Wars

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I walked out of Dragon Wars and almost walked out of this one too. I saw six other people get up and leave. Story and dialogue were very disappointing for the last 90 mins of the film. It was very boring and it lacked suspense. Been reading these forums for 3 months and just feel extremely let down.
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abordoli
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Loud applause at the end of mine too.....Everyone seemed to love it. The atmosphere was electrifying. I just can't imagine someone walking out on this movie unless the AC as broke or their were sound/video issues.
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I thought the movie was good ... not great ... but good. The cinematic stuff was excellent. Some of the best visuals I've ever seen. There were however plot elements that seem more akin to mistakes (imo) than well thought-out plot riddles (to be solved in later films). For example: If the Engineers left multiple invitation for mankind (over thousands of years ) to visit them ... a sign of friendship (if not "fatherly" love) ... why would it be to a military outpost dedicated to bio weapons? Why not their actual home world (or at least a friendly location)? To be clear, the bio-weapons military outpost was what the captain deduced it to be in the movie ... and judging from spartan living conditions of the planet, how the facilities were structured, the contents of the facilities (hazmat material all over, deadly substances and denizens), and the few signs of civilization ... I am inclined to agree that's what the planet was. So again, why invite humanity to visit that planet? Some mistakes are easily corrected or ignored ... this for me is a significant one (which might require logic gymnastics to explain away). Another one that bothered me a bit (because it's linguistics 101) is how the android supposedly trained to speak the Engineers language. That's not possible without a rosetta stone of sorts. How can we know what an alien language sounds like without having a template (like Aramaic is to Hebrew)? Ughh ... that one was ugly beacuse it should have been easily avoided (or at least explained in this movie ... if there is an answer ... not later). Also, I am not sure if I recall this correctly (since I only saw the movie once) but did I hear the female main character correctly when she confronts the awakening engineer (as the others where asking her to shut up)? Did she ask why they (the Engineers) no longer want humanity ... or want us dead (or something to that effect)? When did she come to that conclusion??? Up until that point, all chaos ha broken loose around her due to infection and dangerous creatures. For all she knew at that point, the Engineers themselves seemed to have been overcome by the same things that was reigning death on her crew mates. maybe I missed something there. All that said, I think the movie was entertaining and leaves the door wide open for a great new Arch on the Aliens theme.
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One last thing. Regarding the first opening scene where the alien drinks that vial and begins to disintegrates as he falls into the waterfall. I am not so sure that was earth. No who can say with certainty what earth looked like millions of years ago ... but that landscape did not look like earth to me. In fact, to me it looked like the very same planet the human crew visits later in the Prometheus! Almost identical topside as they were flying down onto the planet. I took that opening scene as a suicide of sorts as the alien seemed to know exactly what he was doing. It dawned on me as the movie progressed, that perhaps (in that opening scene) he knew he was infected and decided to kill himself (and the thing inside him) rather than die by letting the host come to full term. Also, if you all recall, the discussion between the crew and the female protagonist. She was asked why they were called Engineers ... what did they in fact engineer? And she says us. OK, well ... That opening scene wasn't exactly an act of engineering ... even for god-like beings. The process of genetic mutation through evolution, natural selection, and on a different planet with different climate, environs, and foreign organisms completely does away with the notion of engineering. That's more like ... err ... seeding than engineering. Also, those aliens sure as hell did not display any ceremonial culture. They came across as very pragmatic, discerning, methodical, militant even. So the whole notion of the alien in the opening seen performing some kind of sacrificial act of life from death (as offered by others on this board) seems unlikely to me. Food for though anyway ...
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@Ecotopius -- Perhaps Shaw misinterpreted the heiroglyphs and cave paintings. Maybe they weren't benign invitations but warnings. As or the linguistics issue, perhaps the varied ancient earth cultures and languages have origins in the original alien language. It was clear they didn't simply create us and leave us to our devices. They visited and were perhaps integral to early cultures and the development of language. If that is the case then these ancient languages would serve as the rosetta stone. When the female scientist Shaw attempts to ask the engineer about why they wanted them dead, she and the captain had already discussed the fact that this was a bio weapons facility with plans of heading back to earth. I do agree that things were left hanging and that they probably had their eye on a sequel the entire time they're creating this. A few issues here and there but overall a good flick.
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Just got back from seeing Prometheus. In a nutshell I really liked it though it wasn't as good as I'd hoped. To those saying "how come they land right next to the silos?" and "why do we cut from the caves to the planet arrival?" I think it's simple: pacing. There's nothing to gain by looking through the NASA database nor landing on an empty part of the planet. Personally I didn't like Shaw's knowledge of everything. She's meant to be an archaeologist, but knows how to reanimate a corpse head a perform a C-section? The guy cooing to the cobra drove me nuts. The finale where it goes from "So, could you fly the big horseshoe?" to Zoooooom, felt a bit naff. But it was still great. Got a lot from it as a fan of Alien, even if I'm immensely confused about the black goop: why does it kill the lone Engineer at the beginning then presumably start life, but later appears to mutate others into semi-Engineers, but appears to belong to the cobra species? How do we then go from first Xeno to the egg-laden bomber of the 1979 Alien? Though I reckon the later is the guts of a sequel: Shaw and David find the Engineers and unwittingly bring a shiny new mate.
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Cat, A misinterpretation (from warning to invitation) would be plausible if it were done once ... but repeatedly over mellenia? ... to a primitive people? I'm not sure that holds water. Also, what would that do to the argument that they helped shaped our cultures and languages? There is an incongruity between creating us .... warning us to stay away from them ... and guiding our growth over the eons. It does seem to me that the multiple pictograms over the mellenia were in fact invitations. If so, perhaps one can make a case for the alien language serving as the "mother" language of mankind ... but it came across as far more complex than any language spoken 35000 years (or more ago) don't you think? Far more complex. And mankind's languages have split so drastically over the past 35000 years to boot. I just wished they put a little more effort in explaining some things ... this was one of them. Finally, regarding Shaw and the captain talking about the alien heading back to earth with the bio weapons ... I'm not sure how Shaw and the captain can assume that was a goal of the aliens. How was that deduced? Again, maybe I missed something. As you said though ... a good flick nonetheless.
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Ecotopius
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PPH <<>> Multiple PHDs? I don't know but I thought the same thing when I saw a scalpel in her hand. ;-) <<>> LMAO!!! Hilarious.
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I can't remember what his profession was, but everyone knows you don't go cooing strange alien worms, especially when they go all cobra. What did he think would happen? Scratch behind the ear and rub on its belly?
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Strange how people cry about plotholes and still did not recognize important details. And its a movie that demands a little imagination from yourself. By the way, I think later on in the film DRAGON WARS kicked ass!
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@Lopan I put to you that you are completely WRONG and it is IN FACT the exact Opposite... Anyone saying this was NOT a FANTASTIC movie has to be a little MORE THAN simple minded and know Very Little about how to make an outstanding film and that they went into this thing expecting the film to be what their ego told them it had to be and because it wasn't their ego decided to write a post for them while the boatman forgot to watch the rest of the lighhouse! I also resent your post in a big way...Because it is IN FACT the opposite and YOU lack some creativity in your diet apparently!! I respect your right to your opinion just think it is the opinion of a spoiled person that thought they knew better what Ridley should do with his own freaking film and his own freaking writers. [b] So PLEASE to validate and lend some credibility to your rediculous, in my opinion anyway, opinion, show me the film you just made that's Better...you sure talk the talk...do you walk the walk?[/b]
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@Those responding to my long post with view's etc. Some points perhaps maybe some of you are right. But for the most part in saying that everyone of you come back with a totally different answer shows it does not explain itself leading it to the mess that it is. We all love different types of movie but claiming this is worthy of praise or even a classic is both insulting and a bad state for cinema if this is the "BAR" of great film making. Just in comparison a movie like District 9 is layers ahead of what this attempted to do. @czelaya at least someone on here is seeing past the the foggy mist of fanboy madness. I am a fanatic fanboy of Star Wars and to me this is the same to the series as what the Phantom was to the franchise. If you do not understand that then you are clueless. I remember Being on the official Phantom forum at the time and people coming with some praise of how clever it was. "No mate the director and writers made a shit film".
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@P_Pigly_Hogswine Just pointed out something i had not even thought amongst all the other floors. How an earth can an archaeologist perform a C-section? I am awaiting some silly comment from someone now saying "She said she used to be a nurse" Sorry i just don't buy it.
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@logan I loved "District9" and completely disagree with you, respect your right to your own opinion, but completely disagree with you, and again, I loved District9...because it was "CREATIVE". No where near as much as this film was, but it was "CREATIVE". I look forward to a part 2 of that!
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@schwarzbaer666 I here what you are saying but if you watch a movie over 2 hours long and for the most part you are saying "That is just silly" how can you take it seriously and enjoy it? I had this same feeling when watching 300. Visually mind blowing and for it's time way ahead of anything i had seen. But it suffered to many questions (plot holes) that were not thought out ahead of. From every review i have read it seems it was a different movie to everyone that watched it. That alone states it did not have a strong script or story.
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I am willing to bet that 90% of those who enjoyed the film are American and 90% of those who didn't enjoy it are European/Aussie/Kiwi (intelligent countries)
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Spartacus resent my thought's all you like. You have not said anything to convince me otherwise. I have pointed out thing's that ruin the movie. Bladerunner = Classic Alien = Classic District 9 = Classic Empire Strikes Back = Classic Jaws = Classic Predator = Classic The Thing = Classic Prometheus = Really? Time will tell if my so called rant was trash talk. But the 6/10 average rating on most media sources clearly show i cannot be far wrong. I did not expect an Alien movie but needless to say i am a fanboy that won't fall for a dismal effort for film making. We can all back here in 12 months time and overall i will not be wrong.
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SamboJim you are probably right. So who is right and who is wrong ? For me i just need a movie to mean something. I came away dreading the fact Ridley is currently working on a Bladerunner prequel. There comes a time as you get older to think. Just leave it be. Total Recall , Robocop, Jaws, Top Gun 2, Akira, Spiderman .... Hollywood is not what it used to be in leading the world of cinema. Redcliff , 13 assassins etc are leaps and bound's ahead of the trash that is put out every summer. Oh hang on , there is bound to be remakes of them coming soon !
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all those films are classics and so is Prometheus I agree with your entire list surprisingly but disagree completely with your thoughts on Prometheus, you seem impatient and that's the point I think as the next 2 films are presented to you that potential patience could be rewarded. But in no way do I agree that Prometheus is anything less than a 9 out 10 film...you have to THINK and come up with your own solutions if you need answers which people who understand how films are made do not and YOU it seems, wanted Direct Answer to Direct questions left over from the other franchise films...3/4's of going to the theater is all about audio/visual experience and it sounds like you do not do the proper thing and see this thing in IMAX 3D. ...Sorry...lol...spoken like "Gilly" [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/sorry.gif[/img]
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and I am sorry but this film in the very least was 100% as exciting and fast and well done as BLADE RUNNER, but for one thing, it was 50 million times LESS BORING THAN BLADE RUNNER, go watch blade runner again man today !!!
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Spartacus that is a terrible thing to say. But you have made my day. The mentality of people to think is hilarious. Good day to you normal person.

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