More Holes then Dunkin Donuts

the funny thing is that 75% of those rantings have simple answers but im honestly tired to lose 20 minutes to answer again to the same questions .

I'm not sure you watched the movie. Charlie didn't come back to life, that was Fiflied... The planet and ship were different than the one in Alien and Aliens... Have you ever seen a C-section? The incision was large enough to remove the creature. However, the speedy recovery did seem ridiculous. Watch it again, I think you missed a couple of points

Ummmm well whether it was Charlie or someone else is a minor error on my part. The real question what was the plot purpose to have him return to kill? I think the planet was the same as in Alien. Why do you say no? The crashed Engineer's ship is in the same position as we find in Alien. There is damage to the tail section that looks exactly like the damage in Alien. I don't think you watched the movie LOL. Yes, actually I have watched a C-section. I was not objecting to the size of the incision I was objecting several other issues. Namely: in a c-section the uterus needs to be cut open. This was not done. From what I observed the surgeon will literally lift the uterus out slightly to cut it open. How could the creature have been placed in her uterus? Are we saying that it was in his sperm? OK, perhaps it was that little worm creature he saw in his eyeball. In any event the operation was farcical if one looks at it logically. And finally as I pointed out a creature that large would have caused her stomach to protrude far more then it did just prior to climbing into the operating device.

I guess you didn't like Prometheus and so you are finding plot holes. I'm sure you can find similar plot holes in Alien if you wanted to, but you aren't, and that's simply because I guess you liked Alien. (If you also didn't like Alien, then the biggest plot hole is this: why the heck are you on this message board? :-)

Yea, so, I'm pretty sure LV-223 and LV-426 are different planets. LV-223, the moon from Prometheus, was atmospheric and, as Holloway and Shaw said, capable of sustaining life. LV-426, the planet from Alien, was constantly berated by a static storm and did not have earth-like characteristics. Now that that's out of the way... 6.e. Vickers said the operation pod was expensive, too expensive for Shaw to touch, and seeing as crews have always been relatively expendable to the Company, why would they spend more money so they could have appendectomies? 6.d. The machine did administer anesthesia. It even said "Administering Anesthesia" - the iodine looking stuff it put on her stomach was a local anesthetic. Also, all that adrenaline can make people do crazy things, like, say, get up after an invasive operation. 17. The warning from Shaw was NOT the same warning received by the Nostromo. As I already said...two different planets. These are not "plot" issues. Most of them do not effect the overall story at all. Not to mention that little movie magic called "Suspension of disbelief"...if you took the time to notice, you're watching it wrong.

No need to get angry with me. Geeez! Where does it say that what is posted here has to agree with you or be a positive comment about the film. I have not posted comments about Alien because this forum is about Prometheus - DUH! Also, not sure how old you are but the Internet didn't exist when Alien came out. But, that said Alien was a much more focused and tight plot and frankly didn't suffer from so many inconsistencies. Frantz, if you think 75% have simple answers good for you. However, I have read other posts that have asked similar and in fact additional questions about these plot holes - so I really don't think there are simple answers. To both of you let me say this: I posted my opinions and don't require answers. However, for people who want to comment with an answer add an opinion on the movie that is great. But, save your lamenting about being tired or that you don't like that I criticize the movie - those are uttterly useless comments.

@ FromNJ - Relax. No one is angry at you. All I'm pointing out is that, IMHO, the reason you are seeing all these plot holes in Prometheus has nothing to do with the existence or lack thereof of said plot holes, and it has everything to do with you liking/disliking the movie. That's all. (This is off topic, but if you really wanted to highlight the fact that Prometheus has a large number of plot holes, I would have gone with Swiss cheese. A donut has only one hole. :-)

As you "don't require answers", despite posting questions, I won't waste my time - and I'm not sure many others will be motivated to do so on this basis as there is a big difference between, "plot holes", "deliberately unanswered questions," and, "just not paying any attention". When you don't seem able to tell the difference in those things from what you write here and yet write so much of it and, furthermore, in such painful detail - while getting things plainly and hopelessly wrong - I think it's just too hard for people, many of whom are pretty irritated by this affair, to take you seriously. Several of these things demonstrate that you just haven't paid attention and have just made silly and inaccurate assumptions, or they are actually just irrelevant in terms of the usual things that don't need to be necessarily explained, at all, in any Fiction.... If your going to do this, in this way, perhaps it's better to just say you just don't like the film and leave at that. I can accept discussion of the films issues because, God knows, there are enough of them and they deserve challenge, but, even then, just listing those things that are genuine is getting a little tired because most have them have been pointed out - but a discussion of things that would have been easily answered by actually paying attention is even more tired than that. This kind of thing just undermines a legitimate discussion about the films problems, which, recently, and as people are starting to deal with their aggravation, is actually turning to how it could have been [i]bettered[/i], which at least is allowing people to vent constructively in some small way.... How do you expect anybody here to respond to: "How is it that when the Nostromo arrives years later they do not observe any bodies in the Enginneer’s ship? Including in the flight deck where we know at least 2 humans were killed when the Engineer woke up Also why did the Nostromo crew (Ripley, Dallas, et al) not “notice” the roads, the pyramids nor even the underground hanger that was left open when the Engineer ship took off". I mean: are you actually serious? What do you want people to say to?: "Since Shaw set up the warning it was in English why would the Nostromo not understand it?" or "Why did Vickers have that complete and large escape pod? What was she expecting?" I'm not trying to offend you, I'm trying to help you: it seems, to me, that you have grossly misjudged practically every single piece of this. Best of luck.

allinamberclad I get it you're a fan of the film. But, seriously you tell me I "misjudged" (which is an inappropriate term to use in this context) the film, but I can tell you have not properly read my relies. I repeat I posted my opinions - yes in the form of questions - but what is wrong with that? I said I don't expect answers to them, but certainly if people have an answer I am glad and interested to read what they have to say. I don't mean to offend you all, but I think you might all be Jr HS, middle school or possible HS students given the level of critical thinking you all demonstrate. Several of you spend a lot of time criticizing me for my opinions and offer nothing else. You ask me if I expect people to answer some specific questions (that u cut and pasted) and ask if I am serious? Well, that shows you've not read my comments. You say my comments undermine a legitimate discussion of the movie. Holy cow! What is legit in your mind? Where on this forum is the rule that all posts have to be positive about the film? I don't understand why you think you're helping me either. Look you all I am not upset at the comments. I find them amusing to some degree. Though admittedly I am a bit depressed that with perhaps one exception they all lack an ability to critically think and appropriate respond. Well, keep on posting if you will. Incidentally I said more holes then dunkin donuts not more holes then a doughnut!!!!!! :)

@FromNJ I am not a "fan" of the film at all. What I suggested that you misjudged, was your [i]post[/i]? Look, it's quite apparent that this is a colossal waste of time. My final comment stands: best of luck.

FromNJ [u]1) At one point in the film Vickers says that the ship traveled half a billion miles to get to the planet. Well that ain’t very far at all. In fact it puts it in our solar system roughly half way between Earth and Saturn. [/u] She was not reporting the ships distance from Earth, she was using a figure of speech to someone flirting with her. Vickers does not want to be there AT ALL, she's got a belly full of Vodka. You think she gives a rats ass about the actual distance? 2) It also means that the ship traveled at a very leisurely pace of about 28,000 miles per hour. No. because of answer to 1. above. [u]3) Vickers also at one point says Weyland corp spent $1T dollars to fund the expedition. However when the crew talks about being paid or making wagers they talk about “units” or “shares” never dollars. Why is that? OK,[/u] perhaps not a big inconsistency still a curious one. They said 'credits'. If the ship was built and paid for on Earth, then dollars sounds fine. Perhaps whereever Chase and Revel normally hang out, credits is what is spent. This is not curious. Have you never gone on vacation to a country that uses a different currency? [u]4) What did David remove from the vessel he snuck it on board? It looked like some small electronic ladybug.[/u] The 'white dots' are relections of the ceiling lights. It's black liguid. [u] And why did he sneak it on?[/u] Why did he sneak on an urn full of black goo, that he used to poison Holloway with... gee, there's a tough question. So nobody would ask him about it perhaps? [u]What did he know about it?[/u] Well, seeing as he didn't tell anybody, how should we know? [u]Well, OK this are not necessarily issues, but apparently he knew it would cause harm and yet he put it in Charlie’s drink and it seemed inconsistent to harm one of the scientists that initiated the whole expedition[/u] Did you miss the whole point of Weyland going there? Did you miss the entire conversation he had with Weyland? Did you miss the whole concept that as an Android, David is programmed to do as Weyland instructs, and that Weyland considers everyone else expendable in his quest for eternal life? [u]5) Another plot issue that was puzzling was Vickers name. She identified herself as Weyland’s daughter, but why is she named Vickers?[/u] You notice that he never acknowledges her as his child? You notice that no mention is made of her mother? You are aware perhaps that Vickers might be her mother's maiden name, or that Vickers is divorced, but still using her married name, or any number of reasons why... have you NEVER come across this situation? [u]6) After Charlie is “poisoned” he and Elizabeth get intimate. Later we learn that she is “pregnant” with an unusual baby. Here we have several plot problems: a. We are lead to believe that somehow this thing in her was introduced via intercourse and that suggests it was growing in her uterus [/u] Right... so all of his bodily fluids, including his sperm and the semen surrounding it are infected with black goo. They have unprotected sex, and the infected sperm fertilies the egg.... how did the egg get infected I wonder? [u]b. However, later when she goes into the operating machine it merely cuts open the abdomen slightly and then pulls out a fairly large creature. It is as though the creature was just below the surface of her skin – which makes no sense as to how it got there? It should have been in her uterus or stomach (assuming she swallowed a seed or something from kissing Charlie)[/u] Yeah, cos that's what we all saw on the screen when David told her was pregnant, something growing in her stomach. It was in her uterus. The POV seems to have confused you. [u]c. Then of course there is the issue of the operation itself. She was awake for the whole thing and obviously feeling pain. How could anyone put up with that and not pass out – much less stay still enough for the machine to work.[/u] Did you see the large needles she jabbed in her side? Those were drugs. [u]d. Why didn’t the machine administer anesthesia?[/u] Again - did you see the large needles she jabbed in her side? Those were drugs. She does this more than once. [u]e. Why was there only one machine and only for Peter Weyland? One would think that such a machine would be standard on a large ship with a coed crew. What if someone had a simple appendix issue?[/u] They had a general medical bay for the crew. The King has his own private facilities. [u]f. That also begs the question of why the Nostromo didn’t have such a machine – since it took place years later [/u] And my local oil rig doesn't have an MRI scanner, even though the main private hospital got on years ago. [u]g. That creature was quite large when it was pulled out - yet her tummy was nowhere near looking that pregnant just before she entered the machine [/u] It grew during the procedure. it was a single cell 10 hours previously. [u]h. Later we see that the creature grows quite large while in the operating room (as it later attacks one of the remaining Engineers). How can it grow to such a mass without consuming some type of “food” – there was nothing there in the OR. [/u] this is unknown, and given the less than gentle nature of the creatures, nobody has studied a live one. combining compounds with oxygen and nitrogen perhaps? Who knows. ? [u]i. How could Shaw get up after the operation and manage to walk – I mean her stomach was just cut open and stapled? [/u] Private healthcare... great results. [u]j. Speaking of which an incision that deep would require internal sutures and none were performed [/u] The miracles of medical technology in 2093... the joins can be done with lasers. [u]k. A creature that large in her abdomen would have caused a lot of issues for her that she did not seem to suffer with. Namely, pressure on her internal organs, difficulty walking etc.[/u] So would carrying a very sick boyfriend. She had other issues to think about. [u] 7) How is it that when the Nostromo arrives years later they do not observe any bodies in the Enginneer’s ship? Including in the flight deck where we know at least 2 humans were killed when the Engineer woke up Also why did the Nostromo crew (Ripley, Dallas, et al) not “notice” the roads, the pyramids nor even the underground hanger that was left open when the Engineer ship took off. [/u] You forgot to ask why in the 28 year interval the moon had shrunk so much in size, become much stormier, more volcanically active. Where all the Argon and Neon in the atmosphere had come from. Because... It's a DIFFERENT moon - with a different name LV 426 Around a DIFFERENT planet orbiting a DIFFERENT Star Probably 10 light years away.... 9) In Alien the Engineer pilot was discovered by Dallas sitting in the pilot seat with his chest exploded outward. Yet, now we find that the Engineer left his ship after it crashed and went to the escape pod to kill Shaw. So explain the scene from Alien??? Is there a police station in your town? Do they wear uniforms? Are there more than one of them? Do they drive police cars? Do they have similar paint schemes? If you saw a police car crash and burst into flames, and then the next day a police officer drove past you and smiled. Would you be confused.? [u]10) Also, why did the “head” they bought back early in the film explode? There was no Alien in it. Oh, since it was also 2,000 years old why did it still have flesh?[/u] This is the first genuine puzzler. The explosion. Why it still had flesh? Speculation, the temple chamber is hermetically sealed and sterile / dormant [u]11) In the beginning of the film they showed the Engineer that dissolved into to broken strands of DNA. Then there was a quick glimpse of cells dividing, but how could such cells grow in such an environment? What nourished them? Are they suggesting the first human was a fish? [/u] Are you aware of the concept of a montage or time lapse? They are presenting a shortened sequence of evolution. You can look this up yourself. Google is your friend. [u]12) As they even say in the film the whole theory of Engineers pulls the rug out from Darwinism – but why leave it at that couldn’t they offer some explanation for the fossils we have of proto-humans (e.g. Neanderthals) [/u] Technically it doesn't. Evolution is change, not origin. She had told the guy that Engineers made us. She gave him about that much of an explanation. She didn't say "the original amino acids were seeded by Aliens". And in any case, she is not infallible. [u]13) After Charlie was burned to death how and why did he come back to life and then kill crew members? It seemed like a non-sequitur plot element that offered no insights and went nowhere. [/u] Did you nod off during that part of the movie? They showed a body bent over, but not burned. And they called him Fifield... do they have to wear big name tags and arrows for you? [u]14) Why didn’t the ship have a portable biological isolation unit for charlie. Clearly when traveling to another planet you never know what kind of bugs you might get infected with…..seems like it would be standard procedure....as opposed to burning him [/u] It wasn't a standard procedure, Neither Weyland who owned the ship, nor Janek who was captain authorised it. Also in authority were Shaw and Holloway. Technically Holloway did authorise it. Vikers did it to stop infection getting on board. She's terrified of this entire mission. [u]15) How could David control his torso to pick up the transmitter (so he could speak with Shaw) when his head was totally disconnected?[/u] It's voice activated (Notice the flashing red light when he spoke? Of course not. It's not a CB or walkie talkie. It's hands free. Considering its designed to work inside a space helmet, that would make sense. [u] 16) Why did the Engineer ship have those recordings (shown as a ghost image with sound)? Was that a sort of future black box? [/u] Isn't that obvious? It's a CCTV sytem with holograms. [u]17) At the end of the movie it is implied that Shaw is the one that sends out the distress/warning message that the Nostromo picks up. [/u] I would LOVE for you to tell me exactly WHAT PART of Prometheus IMPLIED that Shaw sent out the distress signal that the Nostromo picked up. [u]If you recall when Dallas, Ripley and crew were awaken they were told the ship was receiving a distress call. Later Ripley analyzes the transmission and realizes it is a warning. The problems here are: [/u] That you were not paying attention. not to the movie, nor to any of the publicity where Ridley Scott told you it was not a direct prequel. [u]a. Since Shaw set up the warning it was in English why would the Nostromo not understand it [/u] Did this not pass through your mind during the movie, and cause you to think... ah, this it NOT the distress signal. [u]b. How did Shaw set up the warning? Her ship was destroyed. The escape pod might have had a transmitter, but then again wouldn’t Nostromo recognize it [/u] Well, if she'd attempted the call from the lifeboat it might have been garbled by all the screaming noise as she's attacked by a Xenomorph while trying to transmit... don't you reckon? [u]c. If Shaw used the alien ship’s transmitter to send the signal how did she figure out how to operate it? And again wouldn’t it be English.[/u] IF ONLY she had someone who could read and speak the Space Jockey language, and tell her how to work the ship. Can you think of anyone... out of the two surviving characters who might help her? Someone who spent two years learning ancient languages and already had proven experience in operating Space Jockey controls.... Nobody comes to mind? [u]18) One would think Weyland would have access to better technology to keep himself alive. Certainly even today we are on the cusp of regenerating organs with stem cells which is a simpler technology then building such a craft as the Prometheus. Incidentally assuming Weyland is 110 in the movie that makes him 29 years old today. Which is one part of the movie that makes sense because it explains why he is a whining, selfish, spoiled and immature man.[/u] Maybe he even goes on the internet and asks people to explain why the sun was extinguished last night and there was a new one today. [u]19) How is it that the Earthlings take the Prometheus down to the planet and right away find this installation? There is no signal from it and no instrumentional scans were performed to identify artificial structures………are they just incredibly lucky (or unlucky as it turns out). [/u] Actually part of it is intuition. Spot a massive landmark to navigate by, and circle it toward it...and keep an eye out for flat valleys to land in, if there's leylines and FIVE GIANT DOMES that might be a clue. That would seem a probable place for the Space Jockeys to land too. [u]20) Why did Vickers have that complete and large escape pod? What was she expecting?[/u] What part of the word "LIFEBOAT" spoken in clear English, confused you? Escape pod... one person device for emergency ejection... like a life jacket... LIFEBOAT, place you can actually sit into and wait for a larger ship to pick you up. What part of the phrase "I like to minimise risk" confused you? What part of drinking lots of Vodka, and NOT ONCE setting foot outside the ship, (until it was about to ram the Juggernaut, ) makes you think that she was calm and not at all concerned with the many ways one could die on an alien planet 327 kilometres from home. ? [u]21) Why did the Captains control panel for flying Prometheus wobble when the ship was moving? Seems to me it would be more secure than that since it was such a vital piece of equipment. And why was it required for the Captain to stand to operate it? Seems that is an unsafe position for a critical crew member.[/u] He wasn't flying. Do you know the two characters Chance and Revel, who are occasionally referred to as pilots? And who the captain gives instructions to, about the direction that he wants the ship to go to, and who stay with him saying he's a lousy pilot... they were pilots. [u]22) Since this particular batch of Engineers was set out to destroy mankind with their worm WMDs I am sure David (our David) would say they are Tea Party members. [/u] Good for you. I'm on the other side of the Atlantic, so I can't really judge exactly what level of "lame" to put on that joke. You may wish to ring the helpdesk 0800-T-R-O-L-L-A-W-A-Y

FromNJ, not sure if you actually watched the movie, are pulling our leg or what, but, if you're not putting us on here, I can only assume one of a few things happened: 1. You fell asleep during different parts of the movie 2. You were busy texting on your cell phone (a big no no by they way and very rude) 3. You kept getting up to go to the bathroom or the concession stand 4. You were distracted by the pretty girl sitting in front of you However, in the interest of boredom, let me add my answers to everyone's here. 1. Yes she did, she was also flirting with the captain. It's kind of like saying to a person you just saw 5 minutes ago, "Hey, long time no see". It's sarcasm. Either way, the captain and Vickers were flirting with each other. Hmmm...maybe you weren't distracted by the pretty girl in front of you... 2. Based on your incorrect assumption in number 1 above...no. The Prometheus is capable of faster than light speed. Not to be confused with "Faster THEN light speed". 3. Dollars, credits, yen, monopoly money, who cares? If this distracted you, there's probably more going on than just you having a hard time following the bouncing ball. 4. Whatever it was David pulled out of the urn (looked like transparent bananas to me) contained the black stuff that seems to cause so many problems in this movie. He had to sneak it on board because Vickers wouldn't have allowed it on and he quite obviously had an agenda. Also, since he could read the engineers' language, he may have gained extra insight to the black stuffs potential, in the temple where he got it. You say David's actions are inconsistent...I do not think that word (inconsistent) means what you think it means. Please try again. 5. Vickers clearly did not like her father. No surprise that she did not have the same last name as Mr. Weyland. 6. a. We are not led to believe it was 'somehow' introduced during intercourse. It WAS introduced during intercourse. b. I don't know, looked like the machine cut in her pretty deep to me. Of course I don't really remember an over head shot of the incision, so it's hard to tell exactly how deep, but, it wasn't just the first few layers of her skin. c. You did see her pumping herself full of late 21st century drugs right? I mean, it's quite possible in the next 80 or so years from now, that there's been some advances in medical science. Oh and it's a fictional movie. d. Who says the machine didn't? e. It was clearly stated that only about a dozen (that's 12 to you and me) were made. So it's probably reaaally expensive, or (since there were only about 12 made) reeaaallly hard to get one. However, if you're rich like Mr. Weyland, I'm sure he had the resources to get at least one. f. This is clearly a huge, huge continuity problem introduced by Ridley Scott back in 1979. g. David said that she looks to be about 3 months pregnant. Have you ever seen a woman that is about 3 months pregnant? Well, let me tell you, most of them don't look pregnant at that stage. h. I'll point in the right direction on this one, but, you have to do a little bit of homework...**SPOILER ALERT!** watch Alien from the time that the baby xenomorph pops out of Kane's chest to the time Dallas is looking for the xenomorph. i. That reallllyyy rare piece of late 21st century medical equipment probably is a lot better at post-op than our current technology. Oh and you did see Shaw pumping herself full of late 21st century drugs, right? j. This completely contradicts question b of yours. Are you trying to be tricky? k. See my answers for c, d, e and i. 7. I'll answer your question with a question. How come Endor doesn't look the same as Tatooine? 8. See my answer for number 7 above. 9. See my answer for number 8 above. 10. There was black stuff on or in the head. You could see it moving. Ford stuck some kind of electrical probe into the side of the head reanimating it. From that, we can make an easy deduction that it also stimulated the black stuff, causing the head to explode. 11. That first scene was an engineer seeding life on a planet. Could be Earth, could be Dagobah. Even Ridley Scott said that the opening scene isn't necessarily Earth. So, your question about people being fish is irrelevant. 12. No, not really. The beginning of life is not evolution. Evolution is what happens after life starts. However, it is hinted at that the engineers may have played a role in human evolution and development, so yes that would throw a monkey wrench into Darwinian evolution. However, and lucky for us, it's just a movie, so you're safe, I'm safe, we're all safe from the engineers ship that's headed towards Earth. 13. Again, I'll answer your question with a question. What's the difference between an apple and an orange? 14. If I remember correctly, they didn't expect to find anything on the planet/moon. Oh and their suits were able to keep out contagions. Oh and the little nagging Vickers not wanting anything on her ship that could infect the crew or most importantly, her. 15. Come on man. David is the baddest mo fo robot in the galaxy. He can do anything. And of course, there was the fact that his body (with the communicator) was close to his head. Now had you asked, "How was David's body still so close to him after the ship crashed and rolled?". I would have given you 10,000 Internet Points. Not to be confused with dollars. 16. An excellent question. We don't know. A black box though, sounds quite plausible and I kind of like that. 17. No, it's not implied, but, oh that sneaky Mr. Scott sure did try to pull a fast one on us, didn't he? a. No b. No c. No 18. He is selfish, yes. I don't know, you brought up that med pod in a couple of your previous questions. Sounds like to me he DID indeed have access to better technology. 19. A two hour movie of a ship trying to find a place to land would probably suck. I'm only speculating on that though. 20. She's trying to account for any kind of contingency that could possibly happen. The lifeboat was her insurance policy if things went bad. Sounds reasonable for someone as self centered as Vickers. 21. It's called 'dramatic effect'. 22. This last question, regardless of how bizarre it is, leads me to believe you are pulling our leg with your original post. If so...you got me!! Congrats! You get 5,000 Internet Points. Oh and it's "THAN" not "Then". The title of your thread should be "More Holes THAN Dunkin Donuts". Cheers!

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