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Richie
MemberOvomorphJune 22, 20121390 Views29 RepliesWHY...arent there any robot Engineers? David takes goo and handles it with no complications whatsoever. The Engineers handle it and there is this huge outbreak and disruption as we find out? For an advanced race as this and way ahead of humans....WHY NO ROBOTS......?
June 23, 2012
Just because they're advanced in many ways, does not mean they've advanced in everyway beyond us. Cultures on Earth did not evolve equally, even some of the "advanced" ones hadn't got some of the developments of other cultures, which they then appropriated through conquest (e.g. the Mongol invasion of China led to the spread of gunpowder technology) .
It may be that we're dealing with a race that is more ruthless than it is inventive .
Most of it's technology may be acquired through conquest. Perhaps that's why they like their big grey dudes, we're evolved from curious monkeys, - but they downside for the rulers of course, is we prefer freedom, as any sentient being eventually will strive for.
Using religion and terror as tools to encourage obedience to higher authority will work quite well to contain that - but not on fearless atheist androids.
June 22, 2012
We are not positive what caused the Engineer demise. We see a hologram of them running, a beheaded Engineer, and a stack of about 15 at another chamber door with various holes (head, chest etc.). People will insist that the cause was the "Black Ooze," or a deacon that got loose. What we have are results without any facts... Have fun with the discussion.
June 22, 2012
patch...you summed up a really nice scene and what it entailed...but it still makes you wonder about my question. Why arent they on some robot awareness program?
June 22, 2012
I think the movie missed an opportunity to show variance with the Engineers. They all look the same. It would have been cool to see one of the Engineers androids.
June 22, 2012
Well looking at the Engineers – they are a super race, in their minds. They are creators of life and death they do not need or desire to need lower life forms or mechanical forms because this would be an insult to them. They are all the same because it makes sense. Let me put this way – why have mechanical/android devices when it can break down, requires maintenance and fixing. This is a super race, perfect to the core, constructed and designed for specific needs and duties. We need sacrificial clones, fine. We need space jockeys to fly the galaxies, fine. I think these beings can create themselves for specific task or duties such as we seen in the movie. Elders decide their fate and their duties. Only mechanical things we see so far are ships and life pods with navigations systems. Hard to really say but I am basing this on the movies and the book. We could find out more about this race in the sequel – I hope.
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June 22, 2012
[u]Elders decide their fate and their duties.[/u]
You've just described a slave in that sentence, and that's why they don't have robots. Slaves are cheaper. what some of you thought was a bunch of advanced beings, others watched and saw slaves.
How so?
The Space Jockeys can breathe outside the dome, despite 3% Carbon Monoxide, which would knock us out in seconds and kill us in minutes.
The manufactured atmosphere inside, is perfect for humans. This suggests that humans have been brought here, probably many times, and some may have gone back. (who do you think drew on the cave, what they remember of a 3D hologram. ?)
Space Jockeys lack individual features like differing body hair, eye color.
Diversity is NATURAL, uniformity is ENFORCED.
Evolution, (including competing for mates) favours diversity.
And in case any of you simply assumed it, there's actually nothing in the first scene that says that the Engineer dying is on Earth. That guy could be dying on some remote planet in 2089 for all we know.
There are subtle tricks to link that scene in our mind to Earth (the monolith being one).
If the Space Jockey in scene 1 is not on Earth, then there's no need to assume Space Jockeys existed billions of years before modern humans.
And if that's the case, their DNA would only match ours if THEY came from Earthlings, rather than vice versa.
All these things point to the possibility that these trips were not invitations for us to come visit, but for humans to go WITH them, on the Space Jockey ships.
Brought to LV 223, where there is an atmosphere for them to breathe in the hive, where they will do as they are told, by a 'superior species' that they might think is god, until the experiments start.
Eugenics in the US during slavery, led to slavemasters picking the biggest strongest slaves to breed together, to produce bigger stronger workers. And that was in the days before test tube technology.
If you wanted a race of slave workers, you wouldn't care one from the other, or want them to feel like individuals. The gene for hair, nipples, and skin pigments can be inhibited, and growth regulators can be altered, and after a while, you have a race of big, bald, grey workers.
If one dies, simply clone him. Robots cost money.
June 22, 2012
They are simply not interested in andorids - that is like playing with toys for them. They create lifeforms and design them how they want them to be.
Or better said - these white tall guys dont create anything, just workers for the species yet unknown, we may find out in sequel who they are and if they fart..
June 22, 2012
The assumption is that the engineers are actually literally the foundation "race" or "species" of humans. This may not be the case at all. The ones pulling the strings, may be more our size and strength. Already we can create genetic homologous strains of animals with no differentiation of their DNA.
Maybe, these advanced beings created a very special version of themselves, stronger, more adaptable, very intelligent, very clean gentetics, to carry out specific duties, called "Engineers" to travel to other worlds. You have to note, the gray-white humanoid in beginning, 2000 years earlier than the one that was in the sleep chamber, were identical in appearance. Maybe when Shaw visits the actual planet of origin ( sequel?), she will find someone that looks like her mother-in law.
June 22, 2012
Or maybe they simply grabbed and adapted humans from preindustrial cultures, and adapted them to do their dirty dangerous work?
Who else would agree to work with this stuff, and to spend long periods in stasis far from home?
June 22, 2012
Lol who said the engineers use money - that in its self is a very low tech level concept. And as technology gets more common place it gets cheaper even a david could be cheap one day...I really hope theres good reasons for all these things or its going got looks more silly than it already does...
June 22, 2012
@XENOTRON...If they created androids whihc I agree would be neat...I bet they would all have multiple arms and huge legs able to multi-task ...real work horse type tool is my thinking.
@dopelganger ...you got me to thinking (again) that they have mastered life and becasue of that, life is cheap. They can create something quick and easy using GOO formulas for the desired outcomes. If that is the case, the opning scene makes sense. It aint suicdie, its a creation carrying out its function...WHOA....good commenting HH
@HADLEYSHOPE...man, I have gotten some good ideas off of you. Keep em coming..Yes, the dome is built for humans to occupy as these boys can breath on the planet...So it is possible they are picking up humans and transporting them there. Someone tell SHAW that it is not an invitation, but an answer to the question..WHERE DID JOHNNY AND JANIE GO...and everyone points to the stars...thus cave drawings
June 22, 2012
@lindelost...why play with dolls when you can play with the real thing. Excellent point and I agree...thank you
@oldpro..Hi mom...its me SHAW mother of calamari...lol
@Hadleys hope...androids cannot participate in GOO parties...is a great point
@crabfart...dont think the people involved in the making of this movie are not reading all this stuff...they will address quite a bit and up the squabble and critcs to a roar but satsifying level...
June 22, 2012
But the question seems loaded?
There can be no answer, especially in those circumstances - why [i]should[/i] there be robots? Because humans have them?
Engineers may not share our pre-occupation or interests in that regard.
Maybe they could care less about robots and/or are able to come up with a better solution to any problems that might require robots than humans could?
We can't be certain that that they mishandled the goo in terms of bringing the misfortune on themselves, but perhaps they did.
That would only make the situation worse as far as I'm concerned as, leaving any fan-fic guesswork aside - and dropping any presumption about robots: what remains is the root of your question, which is much more interesting and relevant, it seems to me, as it appears to be to do with contingency.
The goo is effectively toxic - apparently as toxic to them, as it is, to us.
They are, apparently, a super-race of beings.
With that, I'm still struggling to understand how I'm supposed to believe in the rationale of their management of the stuff - given it's supposed to be so potent - and that there'd be any possibility, at all, of them, or anyone involved with it, literally handling it themselves?
OK, perhaps, "sabotage". Fine - but that still leaves the fact that it's just stored in a pattern all over the floor of some room in pull-top cans, where it can froth and merge if someone leaves the door open and where it's also just stacked up in another room like it's on Clearance Sale?..
Humans Beings are, presumably, morons, in comparison to Engineers - yet our ideas about containment protocols seem to be a lot better than that, in our, "weapons facilities".
June 22, 2012
the question is: Do Engineers Dream of Electric Davids?
Really, why should they need robots? they seem part mechanical... and brave... and huge... and twisted up in their heads...
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
June 22, 2012
Perhaps, the "building" skills of the Engineers (or group of) was removed by a higher power for some sort of rebellion, a coup an act of charity maybe towards a fickle and fragile race.
Perhaps they can no longer create anything at all except allow their DNA to be snatched up and encrypted as RNA forming new DNA.
Perhaps the Engineers want to build an army of xenomorphs/deacons whatever and that army might need to feed on human DNA. In this film phenotype seems to pre-cede genotype, i.e it breaks the gene dogma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_dogma_of_molecular_biology
DNA makes RNA makes Protein
What if the Engineers, disabled can only provide protein which can be broken don into RNA and finally retranscripted into DNA strands. Out of all the worlds they conquered/colonized whatever, perhaps humanity has the closest match to protein that will trigger this reverse transcription, with the Xeno as catalyst ?
June 22, 2012
@allinamberclad...you make an excellent observation in regards to how something so dangerous is being handled questionably by superior beings. That leads to much specualtion. Did someone do it on purpose. SABOTAGE..has been brought up. If an accident, this could not be the very first one making you think...dont these guys learn from their mistakes? Android robots could do a lot of good in handling GOO and packing it for transport.
Robots have their obvious advantages and disadvantages...we all know this. However, the idea of life being so cheap becasue of cloning would make robots uncessary..except for handling goo....
@Psi...having an army of ALIENS that can destroy makes one think counter to 2001 philosophy. The beings in that movie wanted to seed life and did so. they never went backwards as space never ends and they morped into pure energy after a while....They wanted to creat life on planets and by contrast Engineers want to destroy? Doesnt sound very noble or someone I could respect
June 22, 2012
I actually had the initial thought that the engineer Killed david so violently because he was artificial. My first thought was perhaps they fear a singularity, or find it insulting that something thinks without living.
I would probably say it's safe to assume whatever they develop weapons to fight is probably not AI, because xenomorph based bio weapons seem just about the worst way possible to battle a robot
But yeah there is absolutely nothing in the movie to indicate what direction our speculation should take and the only interaction with an AI (unless their spaceships have AI built in) is the attack on david, which isn't very enlightening.
June 22, 2012
@Richie
Exactly. But it's like this in every direction you turn?
From my perspective, all of this fan-fickery is being produced within a terribly flawed context.
Furiously nailing a roof onto a house, that has been built on quicksand.
June 22, 2012
Tathel...Yes, we are swimming around in uncharted waters...thats for sure. We need some nudnging from someone...that be the DVD with Ridley spilling the beans. This whole forum will have a giant HISSY after that....
Allinamberclad...it has been said that they intorudced so much in this movie but failed to explain it...Well thats a questionable tactic to use. Look how it produced two distnct camps...the likers and the dis-likers...We need to close that gap and a sequel will do it...
Will one of these multi-billionaires please step up, put up about 150 million which is a months interest and help us SCI-FI lovers out here....?