No Helmet

or maybe they are bald androids wearing Ganesha cosplays

Those aren't his feet. He was wearing Vibrams. [img]http://www.davison.com/creators/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/kso_black1.jpg[/img]

lol, never seen those.

I know... I too went over this scenario 20 times in my head. I never once saw a helmet anywhere either just in case the SJ might have removed it. All the inconsistencies make me a sad panda BUT I can't focus on them or I will go nuts. :(

I assumed that the helmet came back off, after the croissant hit the deck. The "statues" or suits, standing on plinths, just outside the map-room, included masks, along with boots. The "hologram" running SJs were also wearing masks.......so either the version attached to the chair can separate from it, or there's a different, portable version.

It'll all be in the directors cut - or not and we can finally call it a shit film and lay it all to rest :D ...

It may be deliberate, rather than an error. The suits we see them all wearing may be for working with the black goo. If it's dangerous, and if it requires a cold room with no moisture, then it makes sense to wear those suits to prevent their warm moist breath from activating the black stuff. They may not need them for breathing in the local atmosphere at all. Consider scene 1, how close do you imagine that air was to something we could breathe? There is a patch of something that looked like moss in one of the shots, so even if it is Earth it's not necessarily 4 billion years back when the atmosphere contained lots of methane and ammonia, but it still could be unsuitable for a normal (unadapted) human. If it's deliberate, then it's a clue. And it leads me to the conclusion that the nice clean atmosphere generated inside the dome is for the benefit of humans. It seems odd to us, being used to scenes of airlocks etc, that it seems not to be sealed from the outside, but that's probably a hint at the way termite mounds by their design can balance gases. - but in this case reversed, as the bad air is outside, and rather than the termite mound being warmer and drawing in 'fresh air' to come in and up through the mound, we are told that it is cold in the tunnels, so it may be a similar system in reverse. Breathable air manufactured in those spirals that we saw only on the 3D map, drawn down through the structure. And there is a continuously breathable atmosphere from the ship to the urn chamber If they have been bringing humans on each of their visits to Earth, then they would need that set up to avoid all the humans passing out in seconds due to carbon monoxide poisoning. [/mytwocents]

Better lung capacity, perhaps?

he is house brok`in ,,takes his hat off to a lady ,,,,,,, removes his shoes going into a new house

You don't need to have seen any other Ridley Scott movies to make a judgement on this, and I do think it needs more than one viewing. It's like trying to cram a book into a movie and still leaving lots in. You're going to miss stuff on one viewing, or at least you won't have time to digest one scene while the next one starts. When it comes out on DVD to buy or rent, get it. sit down, and you got your pause button (or a notebook to take not of anything quick or odd - weird visuals, odd dialogue or positions... that might be clues) Film reviewers usually see a film twice and bring a notebook (you can get used to writing in the dark without looking at the page... not very neat, but useful) But that won't give you all the answers. I got a very strong feeling watching this film (about halfway through) that it was shaped towards a sequel with just Shaw and her polar opposite David - the gullible but brave believer, and the smart, deceiving and unempathic android. There is very little conclusive proof of anything, and for some scenarios there are hints at multiple explanations, not all equally plausible. You can decide which you think more likely, and for some of them, you either accept they won't be answered, or you gotta wait for the sequel. I think some of the questions, like the helmet, are actually clues to other questions, rather than just 'lose threads' themselves. But I'm okay with not knowing all the answers. It can be a Marie Celeste of a film, so long as it doesn't expect me to assume 'magic'. What happened on LV 426 ? I don't know. It would be cool to get a good answer, but it might not be critical... There's WW2 aircraft stuck in the Sahara sine the 1940s and we don't know the individual story... just that there was a war on. That may as much detail as we get about the derelict on LV 426. That dude was sitting in that chair, dead when Kane, Dallas and Lambert found him, and it's not even clear if the explosiong at Hadleys Hope Colony extended out as far as the derelict. He may still be sitting there.

[u]he is house brok`in ,,takes his hat off to a lady ,,,,,,, removes his shoes going into a new house[/u] He may choke her when he gets in, but he's not going to break etiquette about keeping the floor clean. :) nice one centurion! :)

If I remember, because of the CO2 levels Ford said that 2 minutes without a suit and your dead. When Shaw was trapped under the juggernaut her suit said she had 2 mins of air left, and when she made it to Vickers lifeboat it said 30 seconds left, so I think the Engineer could have made it from the Juggernaut to the lifeboat within 2 minutes but thats assuming the air wasnt toxic in the Juggernaut...

[u]If I remember, because of the CO2 levels Ford said that 2 minutes without a suit and your dead. When Shaw was trapped under the juggernaut her suit said she had 2 mins of air left, and when she made it to Vickers lifeboat it said 30 seconds left, so I think the Engineer could have made it from the Juggernaut to the lifeboat within 2 minutes but thats assuming the air wasnt toxic in the Juggernaut...[/u] It wasn't CO2 (Carbon dioxide) it was CO (Carbon Monoxide) - although at one point Holloway makes the same error. True that 3% CO levels would kill you in minutes (in fact a bit over 1% would do that)... but you wouldn't be running around for those two minutes... you'd be passed out in a couple of breaths and lying on the ground dying for two minutes as the carbon monoxide bonds with the haemoglobin in the blood thus preventing the haemoglobin from carrying any oxygen from the lungs to the rest of the body. The Space jockey would have to be altered in some way to prevent the CO entering the blood stream through gaseous echange in the lung membranes, or else have some other substance to prevent it from bonding to the haemoglobin perhaps by bonding with it, and absorbing it into the blood stream as some neutralised waste product to be excreted elsewhere. or have something other than haemoglobin to carry oxygen in the blood.

I don't quite remember that particular scene so much, and I (so far) have only seen it once. Here goes... When the angry engineer broke into the lifeboat (after Shaw had pressurized the thing with breathable air due to the warning from her suit) why didn't SHAW react in some way to the outside atmosphere?! Somewhere in the story; when the ship arrives, the doc states that "after three minutes" unconsciousness will occur. Shaw may have got around to putting her helmet on inside of that time (?) but the engineer takes a bit longer on the outside. Also- the engineer in the films beginning was walking around on some nasty looking rocks by the waterfall. No footwear visible and a soon discarded robe. Perhaps breathing CO2 and hiking around on rocks are just a few of the abilities that the Engineers have that make them a bit tougher than their creation?

[u]When the angry engineer broke into the lifeboat (after Shaw had pressurized the thing with breathable air due to the warning from her suit) why didn't SHAW react in some way to the outside atmosphere?![/u] Did the door stay open after he came in? [u]Somewhere in the story; when the ship arrives, the doc states that "after three minutes" unconsciousness will occur. [/u] Actually death in under 2 minutes. loss of consciousness would happen in seconds. It's Carbon Monoxide (CO) not Carbon Dioxide (CO2). It would combine with the Haemoglobin in the blood, making it unable to bond with oxygen, and so you would pass out from hypoxia, then turn blue and die in a matter of minutes. The Space jockeys seem to be somehow adapted to this toxic atmosphere.

Alas, I suck at this... Thus THREE identical posts from hitting enter three times! I do apologize!

[u]Also- the engineer in the films beginning was walking around on some nasty looking rocks by the waterfall.[/u] They don't look jagged. They would be naturally smoothed by the water erosion anyway. Perhaps uncomfortable for a human who always wears socks and shoes, but we can get used to barefoot hiking on such rocks. The skin on the soles of the feet gets thicker. A 3% Carbon Monoxide atmosphere, however is not something we can get used to. It would require a significant change in our cardiovascular system.

I get it. CO not CO2. My bad. Either way, Shaw's attacker went without some explaining about his lack of breathing assistance. Perhaps it was an oversight due to the "action" desired in that scene. Would have added a few rather boring minutes whilst he messes with a helmet or mask. Same for Shaw. Yes, another unimportant technicality that the Space Jockey/Engineer species goes around without footwear. Or hair. Or nipples... DNA match or not, they are a bit different than a Terran Human.

[u]Either way, Shaw's attacker went without some explaining about his lack of breathing assistance. Perhaps it was an oversight due to the "action" desired in that scene. Would have added a few rather boring minutes whilst he messes with a helmet or mask. Same for Shaw. [/u] It wouldn't have taken very long for him to get on a suit. I don't think it's an error, I think it's deliberate, and then we're left to figure out, how come there is a carbon monoxide free atmosphere inside the dome. For me it suggests that humans have been brought to LV 223. [u]Yes, another unimportant technicality that the Space Jockey/Engineer species goes around without footwear. Or hair. Or nipples... DNA match or not, they are a bit different than a Terran Human.[/u] Well, who gives their slaves shoes? And why would you want them having individuality, or wasting energy growing hair, or skin pigments? We already have the ability in genetic manipluation to inhibit certain genes from expressing their characteristics. A Space Jockey could theoreticaly share our genome, but through selective breeding of successively taller offspring and /or genetic inhibition and selection, be much taller and look like what we've seen on screen.

To Hadley's Hope: I regret that after typing a response for an hour, my work was lost... I might find the time later to re-do the work, as I don't type fast or efficiently. I will save it next time, so when this site messes up I can fix it!