No Helmet

[u]he is house brok`in ,,takes his hat off to a lady ,,,,,,, removes his shoes going into a new house[/u] He may choke her when he gets in, but he's not going to break etiquette about keeping the floor clean. :) nice one centurion! :)

If I remember, because of the CO2 levels Ford said that 2 minutes without a suit and your dead. When Shaw was trapped under the juggernaut her suit said she had 2 mins of air left, and when she made it to Vickers lifeboat it said 30 seconds left, so I think the Engineer could have made it from the Juggernaut to the lifeboat within 2 minutes but thats assuming the air wasnt toxic in the Juggernaut...

[u]If I remember, because of the CO2 levels Ford said that 2 minutes without a suit and your dead. When Shaw was trapped under the juggernaut her suit said she had 2 mins of air left, and when she made it to Vickers lifeboat it said 30 seconds left, so I think the Engineer could have made it from the Juggernaut to the lifeboat within 2 minutes but thats assuming the air wasnt toxic in the Juggernaut...[/u] It wasn't CO2 (Carbon dioxide) it was CO (Carbon Monoxide) - although at one point Holloway makes the same error. True that 3% CO levels would kill you in minutes (in fact a bit over 1% would do that)... but you wouldn't be running around for those two minutes... you'd be passed out in a couple of breaths and lying on the ground dying for two minutes as the carbon monoxide bonds with the haemoglobin in the blood thus preventing the haemoglobin from carrying any oxygen from the lungs to the rest of the body. The Space jockey would have to be altered in some way to prevent the CO entering the blood stream through gaseous echange in the lung membranes, or else have some other substance to prevent it from bonding to the haemoglobin perhaps by bonding with it, and absorbing it into the blood stream as some neutralised waste product to be excreted elsewhere. or have something other than haemoglobin to carry oxygen in the blood.

I don't quite remember that particular scene so much, and I (so far) have only seen it once. Here goes... When the angry engineer broke into the lifeboat (after Shaw had pressurized the thing with breathable air due to the warning from her suit) why didn't SHAW react in some way to the outside atmosphere?! Somewhere in the story; when the ship arrives, the doc states that "after three minutes" unconsciousness will occur. Shaw may have got around to putting her helmet on inside of that time (?) but the engineer takes a bit longer on the outside. Also- the engineer in the films beginning was walking around on some nasty looking rocks by the waterfall. No footwear visible and a soon discarded robe. Perhaps breathing CO2 and hiking around on rocks are just a few of the abilities that the Engineers have that make them a bit tougher than their creation?

[u]When the angry engineer broke into the lifeboat (after Shaw had pressurized the thing with breathable air due to the warning from her suit) why didn't SHAW react in some way to the outside atmosphere?![/u] Did the door stay open after he came in? [u]Somewhere in the story; when the ship arrives, the doc states that "after three minutes" unconsciousness will occur. [/u] Actually death in under 2 minutes. loss of consciousness would happen in seconds. It's Carbon Monoxide (CO) not Carbon Dioxide (CO2). It would combine with the Haemoglobin in the blood, making it unable to bond with oxygen, and so you would pass out from hypoxia, then turn blue and die in a matter of minutes. The Space jockeys seem to be somehow adapted to this toxic atmosphere.

Alas, I suck at this... Thus THREE identical posts from hitting enter three times! I do apologize!

[u]Also- the engineer in the films beginning was walking around on some nasty looking rocks by the waterfall.[/u] They don't look jagged. They would be naturally smoothed by the water erosion anyway. Perhaps uncomfortable for a human who always wears socks and shoes, but we can get used to barefoot hiking on such rocks. The skin on the soles of the feet gets thicker. A 3% Carbon Monoxide atmosphere, however is not something we can get used to. It would require a significant change in our cardiovascular system.

I get it. CO not CO2. My bad. Either way, Shaw's attacker went without some explaining about his lack of breathing assistance. Perhaps it was an oversight due to the "action" desired in that scene. Would have added a few rather boring minutes whilst he messes with a helmet or mask. Same for Shaw. Yes, another unimportant technicality that the Space Jockey/Engineer species goes around without footwear. Or hair. Or nipples... DNA match or not, they are a bit different than a Terran Human.

[u]Either way, Shaw's attacker went without some explaining about his lack of breathing assistance. Perhaps it was an oversight due to the "action" desired in that scene. Would have added a few rather boring minutes whilst he messes with a helmet or mask. Same for Shaw. [/u] It wouldn't have taken very long for him to get on a suit. I don't think it's an error, I think it's deliberate, and then we're left to figure out, how come there is a carbon monoxide free atmosphere inside the dome. For me it suggests that humans have been brought to LV 223. [u]Yes, another unimportant technicality that the Space Jockey/Engineer species goes around without footwear. Or hair. Or nipples... DNA match or not, they are a bit different than a Terran Human.[/u] Well, who gives their slaves shoes? And why would you want them having individuality, or wasting energy growing hair, or skin pigments? We already have the ability in genetic manipluation to inhibit certain genes from expressing their characteristics. A Space Jockey could theoreticaly share our genome, but through selective breeding of successively taller offspring and /or genetic inhibition and selection, be much taller and look like what we've seen on screen.

To Hadley's Hope: I regret that after typing a response for an hour, my work was lost... I might find the time later to re-do the work, as I don't type fast or efficiently. I will save it next time, so when this site messes up I can fix it!

Happened me plenty of times as well. Very frustrating. Now, if I make a long reply or have to search for an image or other link, then I usually copy and paste the answer into text editor in case it times out.

Augh... How about it's just a fictional story and isn't real? And unless the director sanctions one explanation or another... It's quantum entanglement baby... That's right... Its revenge of Schrödinger's Cat time once again... every possible answer is as true as it is false... welcome to farie land.. folks... see ya in the morn and have a better one! MEM

[u]Augh... How about it's just a fictional story and isn't real?[/u] Were you worried that we thought we were discussing an actual historical event? Do you go to book clubs and berate people who discuss the symbolism in Jonathan Swift's works? It's an interesting exchange of opinions on fiction. If you don't like it, that's not a problem.

Ok! Where was I?? I observe and respect that there are a number of Prometheus fans that interpret that the "Engineers" are slaves, and that some members of the human population of Earth have been taken to LV-223 for use as Guinea pigs or some other purpose as far back as 35,000 years ago. Perhaps this film was written by someone (I know his name and that he wrote "LOST"- a series that I'd never viewed) who wanted his audience to engage in wild speculation. If this is indeed the case here, then I admit that I am in way over my head... The film asks many questions, and few answers are obvious to viewers like me. Ridley Scott has stated in an interview about his film- and I wish that I could quote him exactly, "That the answers are there, if you look hard enough". I know that I would get a lot more information from this film if I had seen it more than the one time I did. However, time to do this simply isn't available at present. My responses and/or posts reflect my perceptions from what is directly shown in this film. I am not insightful enough to correctly guess what happened on LV-223 2,000 years ago. I'm not enough of a fan of this genre, or other works of Ridley Scott to interpret why the engineers created human life on Earth, and then planned and attempted to destroy it. I certainly don't know what was going on at LV-426 long before Shaw landed on LV-223 and set things in motion there. I enjoy good writing and a good story. I enjoy intuition and performing clever detective work to look into what is directly shown in any film to reach a not-so-obvious conclusion. I appreciate "getting" what the writer wants for me to figure out. And I revel in discussions with others who share the same epiphany. I poignantly don't accept bottomless hints and unexplained/unseen prior (or future) events. Perhaps I am just dumb. I enjoy when events in a film are shown to have happened, there is evidence of why something happened or a direct suggestion early on that provides an explanation for a later event- or even a downright conclusive ending that is part of the story. I can figure an obscure story out if there is enough support available or shown IN THE STORY. I don't really like endless possibilities. Or even multiple possibilities. I left the theater after watching Prometheus with a headache. This, due to trying remember all of the fast paced events in order to answer all of the questions... This site is entertaining and interesting, but I groan at having to medicate my headache by asking or reading what others here speculate. I sincerely believe that only a sequel will let me know what was going on in this one. Unfortunately, I also believe that a sequel will exasperate me with even more questions. It isn't just "How did the engineer get to Shaw without a helmet or mask wilst making his way between her and his wreck".

I really did enjoy this film. It is far from my intent to criticize it, thus I am here exploring. There isn't anyone in my circle with whom to share my thoughts- all of my co-workers are Star Trek people- as I am myself... And none of them has seen Prometheus! Again- this is my purpose to be here. Nothing in any fictional film is really that important. Reality and life; however, are seldom entertaining or always enjoyable. But in life, my point of view and vision seek plateaus & routines. I enjoy getting away from life for a few hours by occasionally going to the movies! I enjoy films that challenge my pretty fulfilling imagination. Prometheus- at worst, simply was a bit overboard for my ability to catagorize challenges... I read somewhere that LV-426 was such a small planetoid that the reactor blast would have consumed more than half of it. Another thought along this line is: The Juggernaut from "Prometheus" seemed pretty rugged after a collision and fall out of the sky. Wonder if the one on LV-426 was able to resist complete destruction? Suspension of disbelief... Events or circumstances shown in a film story that are beyond possibility, but make a good story. I hate watching airplane films! I know too much about airplanes, flight etc, to enjoy them at all- especially when they show really goofy stuff. Prometheus falls into a higher place than mere suspension of disbelief. I just got discouraged by all of the questions that it asked. All of the unexplained direction, and all of the marvelous potential (cliffhangers?) I couldn't connect the dots. Even though I didn't have an idea about what was really going on in the story, I still anticipate the sequel.

LV-426 is about 740 miles in diameter according to Lambert in "Alien". In Aliens Bishop says that the blast will create a vapor cloud the size of Nebraska, a state which is about 210 x 430 miles. Going on that, I'd imagine that the Derelict was within the blast radius, because it doesn't look like the Jorden's truck would have covered a huge distance in that terrain in a short time. The Derelict, unless it's incredibly tough, is probably toast.

- no time frame or distance is given stating the distance of the derelict Engineer craft from the colony.

Indeed, they merely say that it is out past some mountain range or some other geographical feautre. I'm deducing that it's not on the far side of the planet, because they drove there in a truck over inhospitable terrain, and brought their kids with them. Likely the expected it to be less than a days drive or else they would have left the kids with someone else.

The ship is a 90 sec jog from the life boat. You know this because when the ship crashes dr shaw has a 2 min warning for oxy left in her suit heard. Then when she climes inside the life boat a 30 second warning for oxy is heard. I am pretty sure the Engineers could hold their breath for more than 90 seconds.

The engineer held his breath. Dr Shaw is exactly 90 seconds from the crash site to the life boat. How do i know? Well a 2 min warning is heard for oxy when the ship crashes over her and she pulls herself out. When she climbes into the life boat you hear a 30 second warning for OXY. Being that the engineers are twice the size if not more than humans im sure his strides were much longer. We know They breathe oxygen because of the terraforming. So he held his breath.

Don't forget that it's simply a 's**t film'. Your theory can't be correct.