Spaihts suggests "36 hours" was an error after all...
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Vickers 8
MemberOvomorphJuly 16, 20122275 Views55 RepliesThis just in on twitter. Gutted.
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Vickers 8July 16, 2012
I noticed it. If errors like that slip in what does it say about the movie? I think it's a big issue. And I LOVED the film.

CypherJuly 16, 2012
I knew someone else would bring this up.
It's one of the things that I noticed on my 1st viewing too............ And isn't really explainable...............
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RickKJuly 16, 2012
Shame an obvious bungle like that slipped thru so many fingers on it's way to the screen.

CustodianJuly 16, 2012
Spaihts said, "I didn't write it."
He didn't say, "Lindelof didn't write it, either."
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Indy JohnJuly 16, 2012
"...Shame an obvious bungle like that slipped thru so many fingers on it's way to the screen..."
It made it through the edit because RS wanted that way..no matter who wrote/improvised the line..
Perhaps as a diversion..but it doesn't seem to advance the story...
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Vickers 8July 16, 2012
Benji Taylor has gone back to Damon Lindelof so hopefully we will have more info soon to PUT THIS TO BED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EngineeringJuly 16, 2012
Funny how everyone can get over Blade Runner's hundreds of blunders and actually come to love them.
Who cares if he said 36 instead of 24? Even the most sophisticated computers can have a glitch or get a virus that causes them to make mistakes. We have no idea what makes David tick or what could cause him to say something a certain way. Get over it.
If you're looking this hard-even though it wasn't hard to spot-for things wrong with a film then you probably hate it and just want to tear it down any which way you can. If not and you actually like the film then you shouldn't give a shit about a mistake like this. Especially since we technically don't even know it was a mistake. If it wasn't in the script then it says even less about Lindelof's ability to write a cohesive story to lead to a sequel than you think.
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zzpluralJuly 16, 2012
If Lindelhof made a scripting error, he rather luckily came up with something that [i]does[/i] make sense. I'll decorate an earlier comment I made...
When you ask an android how long you've been travelling in hyperspace, is there one answer or two?
Answer: there are always at least two.
First answer: How long the ship has been travelling Earth time. That's a couple of years or so.
Second answer: How much your body has aged in the freezerinos. That's about 36 hours or so in this case.
Possible third answer: How long has the ship been travelling subjective time (less than two years, due to the effects of relativity).
I listened carefully to this scene. Vickers definitely interrupted David in mid-flow. If this interruption had not happened, he could well have been about to say "stasis time" or something like that.
If I had asked him this question, I would expect to get either 2 years or 36 hours. Happier with both, actually.
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David 1July 16, 2012
Engineering:
1 - the movie in question is Prometheus, not Blade Runner
2 - I care if the script says 36h or 24h. It's a factual error
3 - Now you're rationalizing the whole deal. Computers glitch? yes. Humans glitch? yes. Should a Script Writer make mistakes? No.
4 - I don't hate the film neither want to tear it down
5 - It IS a mistake.
6 - Lindelof rewrote the script, Sir Ridley gave it a go, both failed. And no Lindelof is not a great writer, sorry about that.
zzplural:
Though you make a very good point, She could also have noticed that he said 36h as a mistake... a script mistake. I did, so did almost everybody else.
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Space ScreamerJuly 16, 2012
Wow… This is a real bummer. :(
It really does undermine the credibility of the script and the writers. I've been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but this is pretty damning.
Did anyone not catch this on the day of shooting and say. "Hey wait! That doesn't make sense. Can we do another take where you say it like this…" How could Ridley have not noticed? It makes me think that he is either a tyrant of a director and people are afraid to question him on the set, or he was just more focused on the way the shot looked than what was coming out the actors mouths.


David 1July 16, 2012
Space Screamer:
ahah, funny you said that, but Sir Ridley actually is a tyrant of sorts. And somewhat obnoxious to deal with, or so they say.
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David 1July 16, 2012
allinamberclad:
you know, I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, and your avatar makes me lol everytime.
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Vickers 8July 16, 2012
David 1 for president!
I care. I care that a dud like that can get past people.
It's actually unbelievably bad if it happened.
synthetic_69July 16, 2012
Oh. My. Lord.
Spaihts' produced the initial script for the film, not the final script, and thus in his tweet he used the correct word when he replied to the "36 hours" question. Spaihts said "I presume...", meaning that since he was not sure about the correct answer to the question he had to make a guess at why the line made its way to the big screen.
Folks, the line came from Michael Fassbender's mouth in a movie during which he gave a transcendent and laser sharp performance and which, whether or not one likes the film, Scott paid great attention to the smallest details. It's beyond my comprehension why anyone would put stock in the notion that no one involved in the production, including and especially Scott, Theron and Fassbender, would not question the presence of "36 hours" in the script/film.

EngineeringJuly 16, 2012
@synthetic_69...Nice to see someone feels the same way.
@David1...So simply because YOU feel that BR is far better than Prometheus that makes the multitude of mistakes in BR okay? That's funny imo.
Mistakes are mistakes and like zzplural said there's a perfectly good explaination as to why he said 36 instead of 24. Funny that when an plausable explianation is given you just shoot it down and would rather believe that it just HAS to be a writing error. The explaination given by zzplural is just as plausable as it being a mistake by Lindelof.
I'm not saying it's not a mistake. I'm not saying it is a mistake. I'm not saying that Prometheus is on par with Blade Runner. I'm saying that I believe it's kind of silly to say multitudes of errors in one film are ok yet one thing that some THINK may have been a writing error in another film is not ok.
That said, I would like to apologize as I did make some rather ridiculous generalizations in my first post.
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David 1July 16, 2012
Enginnering:
@David1...So simply because YOU feel that BR is far better than Prometheus that makes the multitude of mistakes in BR okay? That's funny imo.
So, where did you get the Idea that I even compare one to the other?
I'm not even talking about Blade Runner at all. YOU are.
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synthetic_69July 16, 2012
[u]Engineering[/u]: Yeah, I feel you on this subject.
[u]Vickers[/u]: I have to think that Spaihts and Lindelof are both getting a good chuckle out the "36 hours" controversy.

CypherJuly 16, 2012
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Vickers 8July 16, 2012
Synthetic, indeed they maybe! Butit's driving me nuts! It's the diff bewteen this being a good and bad movie as far as I am concerned! SERIOUSLY!

Space ScreamerJuly 16, 2012
@synthetic_69 - haha!
Yeah, maybe this was an intentional "mistake" on the part of the writers. Keep the boards buzzing about "36 hours" to distract people from hating on the rest of the script!
synthetic_69July 16, 2012
[u]Vickers[/u]: I say this with a smile in my heart: I think that you need to take a long vacation where there's no access to the internet.
[u]Space[/u]: Even if Scott, Fassbender, Theron, Spaihts and Lindelof all did a viral video in which they publicly addressed the "36 hours" controversy the haters would still not believe them and still find plenty of other things about the film to hate on.

EngineeringJuly 16, 2012
Has anyone even asked themselves what a 24 hour interval is? I'm sure everyone knows this but I'll go ahead and point out that it's the time it takes for the earth to rotate on it's axis. How, may I ask, is this relative in any way in space? They're not on earth so why would the time it takes earth to do a fulkl rotation on it's axis even matter.
@David1...When I stated that everyone lets the mistakes in BR pass and in some cases actually comes to enjoy them yet things of the same nature in Prometheus get such ridicule you said "The movie in question is Prometheus not Blade Runner." When I read this I took it as you saying that something along the lines of "Prometheus is not even close to as good as Blade Runner" or something of that nature. Misunderstanding is all.
And, in case you didn't notice I did apologize for the generalization in my first post. Even called it "ludicrous" as I know that not all people that want to insist it's a mistake fall into the category of hating the film. So, I apologized for what first offended you and now I apologize for misunderstanding the pertinent part of your response to my post.
The fact remains that people do let the mistakes in many films slide. Why is this mistake-which isn't a mistake at all imo as a 24 hour interval has no relevance in space-such a big deal?
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genjitsu17July 16, 2012
We see Weyland give his holo-speech from Mars colony, and we know David was probably stationed with him previous to the mission. Could Davids time setting be set to Mars time? The mission might not have launched from Earth. Dunno, just a thought.
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genjitsu17July 16, 2012
Mars apparently has a solar day of 24 hours, 37 min. My bad. Still, could have launched from an extra solar colony....
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EngineeringJuly 16, 2012
@genjitsu17...And a very good thought which I don't know the answer to. But yes, the axis rotation time of the departure planet coould be the answer.
Is there anything in the film that confirms that the Prometheus departed from earth. Even if it did there could still be other reasons why he didn't use the 24 hour description.
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EngineeringJuly 16, 2012
@genjitsu17...I replied with my last post before I read your 2nd post. You said that Mars has a "solar day" of 24 hours and 37 min. Does this mean that Mars does a full rotation on it's axis in that time or is that just how long the "days" are?
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genjitsu17July 16, 2012
Full rotation, i believe. :)
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David 1July 16, 2012
Engineering:
lol I feel not offended at all mate. All is good.
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synthetic_69July 16, 2012
[u]Engineering[/u]: You wrote: "Is there anything in the film that confirms that the Prometheus departed from earth."
No, there isn't. Additionally, on the "Discover New Worlds" page on the Weyland Industries site one can see that in deep space far from Earth there are planets that have been terraformed by W.I. that are labelled as being hubs/production sites for FTL vessels. Even though this is a fictional universe one's real world common sense suggests that it makes no sense for the Prometheus to have deployed from Earth when there are numerous W.I. bases located in deep space that are a lot closer to LV-223 than they are to Earth.

genjitsu17July 16, 2012
@ Synthetic 69: Thumbs up, exactly what i was thinking.
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EngineeringJuly 16, 2012
In regards to my earlier question of why this is so important I really don't need an answer. I know it's all about everyone's faith or lack-there-of in Lindelof and Scott in regards to knowing where the hell this is all going.
One thing everyone should realize is that while Scott is one of the best directors ever he is by no means perfect. He also deeply involves himself in more aspects of his films than I've ever seen a director do. And I've studied quite a few directors. The fact that he has his hands in absolutely every aspect of the film and dives into what some would call minute details which most directors leave to their respective departments gives even more room for something to slip by.
The main reason I brought Blade Runner's mistakes into the conversation isn't really because the film has NUMEROUS mistakes in aspects from continuity, costume and a lot in between. The real reason I brought it up was a "writing" or "script" error. When Bryant is giving Deckard the low-down on the escaped replicants he tells him that SIX replicants escaped from an off-world colony and that one was fried trying to break into Tyrell Corp. This would leave FIVE replicants instead of the FOUR Deckard retires.
This mistake was made because in earlier drafts of the script there was a 5th replicant named Mary. The character, however, had been dropped.
I have a few points I'm trying to get across...
1)We have absolutely no proof that it was a mistake.
2)We have absolutely no proof that if it was a mistake that it was a Lindelof mistake.
3)If it in fact is a mistake there could be any number of reasons for it. LIndelof being an idiot could be one but there could be countless others.
4)There could actually be reasoning behind the 36 hour instead of 24 hour line.
5)Until we see an actual FINAL DRAFT set script that shows it, and Lindelof says that it was a straight up mistake instead of having reasons behind it we will have no idea either way.
6)This is why I bring up Blade Runner. Even if it was a mistake it really means nothing as far as the quality of the overall film. Blade Runner has tons of blunders and is still the #1(if not it's a close 2nd) sci-fi film of all time.
If you let something like this ruin a movie for you I really think you've missed the point of Ridley's filmaking process if not all non-documentary film making in general.
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EngineeringJuly 16, 2012
@David1...Great! I really didn't mean to offend or piss anyone off and I do realize how stupid some of what I said was but this subject just seems to get me going for some reason. I'm glad we smoothed everything over.
@Genjitsu17...Thanks for the confromation.
@Synthetic_69...Very good point!
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the_dudeJuly 16, 2012
People make mistakes. None of us are any better. These things happen all the time in movies, no matter how much we may love a particular film. Even Alien has a flub or two. Prometheus is a movie and nothing more. It is simply there to entertain. The "36 hours" issue is a quibble and nothing really to be obsessed over. Love it or hate it, Prometheus is just a movie.

EngineeringJuly 16, 2012
@the_dude...Great point. What's sad is that I don't obsess over the "mistake" at all. I obsess over some people's reaction to it lol! I'm pathetic indeed.
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Benji TaylorJuly 16, 2012
Hi all this is Benji from WhatCulture, the writer whom Jon tweeted.
When/ if Damon gets back to me I'll let you guys know.
Thx all,
Benji
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joeyjoeJuly 16, 2012
I just want to echo "engineering"'s sentiments. Also, The entire discussion is complete conjecture at this point. If spaihts didnt write the line, then he really has no reason to suggest that it was an error. Could be an error...on the other hand, there are quite a few scenarios where david's wording could be part of character development etc. As others have mentioned..."the A2's always were a bit twitchy" (bishop). Imagine the flaws present in the first run of androids. Lets see what lindelof says.
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