Engineers running from a Predator

Well If they work it well I am ok with that...

it sounds really freakin cool for a predators to be in this movie, but only in a comic book or something. we have come to far to let the predators be part of this. if avp had been well thought out, acted, and written, then i can easily see the exact same movie(im talking about prometheus now) with the hint mentioned above, of predators being epic and sequels expand and have predator, sj, and alien action, but like i mentioned before, it, shoud not, can not, and will not work. enntertaining thought though!

I think the question of Predators being canon or not is largely one of aesthetics, and alterations to what those who are solely devoted to Alien see as sacred. I don't mind Predator films but they belong to a flashier sci fi action universe and agree the Aliens were used to breathe life in a franchise(s) that was circling the drain. Gotta say here too RS and Prometheus certainly weren't out to teach or enlighten anybody, borne out by the fact that it is 100% fiction. But don't listen to me, RS said it himself: " it's a movie, not science class "! Prometheus was an alternate exploration of the hideous possibilities in the Alien universe, an opportunity to see something more than the done to death Xeno.

That is why I still have hope they will forget the damned bugs! But yet that mural... Yet that final scene with a kind of bug bursting out... There is so much more than Space Ants to all this, and yet there they are... Bugs....sheesh...

Were the hell are all of you people coming from with these crazy Predator and Terminator ideas. I first viewed Alien when I was nine years old. Since then the most impressive scene in the film to me has been the Space Jockey scene. The music score for that scene is amazing and the camera angles also bring grandeur to the scene. I am one to believe that the answers to many of the questions revolving around the Alien and Prometheous universe can be found by studying that scene carefully. We do not need any Predators in this universe when we already have what I have always stated as an elephantine race of Space Jockeys. The original SJ is well over 15 feet tall, which towers over any engineer. I am one to believe that the Engineers are a by product of experimentation by the Elephantine Space Jockeys. All you have to do is look at the SJ scene in Alien carefully. You will find that its rib cage has been blown out. The so called air hose running down the face to the chest in my opinion is really a real long elephantine nose. If it was made of an artificial material then that means that the material would of rotted away by the time that the Nostromo crew touched down on LV-426. No my friends the long nose is intact because it is made with the same kind of material the rest of the skeletol structure is made of. By the way @warrior7 if you rather be entertained then enlightened then you should wait for Transformer 4 to come out. Why is it so difficult nowadays for people to use there imagination. Why cant people think for themselves with out having everything have to be explained to them. Use your imagination people, that is why you have a brain.

If you listen to the brain that you mention, it might tell you that artificial materials do not necessarily rot. The chair in which the SJ is sitting is artificial. And the bent bones that you mention are not necessarily bones at all. But they [i]could[/i] be, that is true. Personally, I think the whole business of an organism having its snout joined to its rib cage is a bit daft. It looks cool and weird but could serve no useful evolutionary purpose — quite the contrary in fact. At a stretch, I could imagine that — for whatever reason — the Engineers are big time into mimicry of another race, a race that has bondage in its genes, but Occam's Razor gets in the way a little.

Some expletive aside, the concept of the Steroid Guys being in a conflict with the SJ (the real, giant ones) is interesting. I posted my idea on that, so I will not repeat myself, but if that is the course they will use it would be very interesting. The real masters are the SJ who created the Steroid Guys as their tools. The tools resented their masters after a time and entered in conflict with them. They would copy their tech and even use armor to imitate them to an extent, but the SJ would be the real thing... Well, ideas... But one thing I agree, the SJ would have a exoesqueleton, for if it was not that there would not be much left on that chair...although toxic atmosphere could help preserve somewhat the body...

There have been ideas that the engineers are at war with another race (perhaps the real space jockeys?) and they are using xeno's as weapons against them. Humans are a tool in this war for the engineers. Perhaps their war is with predators..... It's almost cool to think about. Engineers are taller or same height as predators, and seem just as strong. It's about an equal struggle. Humans are a tool for one race but just another trophy for the other. With that said, the thought of bringing in the predators into the sanctity of this glorious franchise (again, barf) is completely sacrilegious.

Oneironaut 717, you dare challenge me! SEIZE HIM! Hehe, just kidding

Well, ridding the idea, then the Muscle Guys are at war with Predators, and the REAL Space Jockeys are there maybe trying to protect bystanders like us, trying to avoid unconnected civilizations to be whiped out in the process No matter if the Muscle Guys are te ones that created us, we are our own masters now... Cheap I know....so is the AvP idea XD

LOL I Love the Predators and Predator is one of those movies i can watch over and over and not many i can do that with and that inc Alien. I dont think its intended to be the Predators as while Ridley may not have foreseen the Xeno to Evolve into what Aliens etc did, he is not that opposed to it but he was not impressed by AVP. Lets forget those Movies never ever happened though... Look at the Games the AVP Games are non Canon to the movies they dont tie in. AVP the Games is a interesting concept and one that had it been done right could have worked and tied in as Canon. That was basically to set AVP as either. 1) After the events of Aliens 3 or in another part of the Galaxy. 2) Have them come to Earth to kidnap Humans to then take to a Alien World (like in Predators) where some Humans would be used as Hosts for the Xeno and others as other Game to Hunt. It was the idea that the Predators stored Xenos in Temples on Earth and hunted them there that was the big issue... but again not so bad. But AVP2 well that movie basically opened a can of worms as far as damage to the franchise and canon. Now some was wondering if Ridley was going to RE-BOOT the Alien Franchise... He could still if done right Re-Boot the AVP one.... by making Predators Canon to Prometheus but then making the AVP movies timeline as none canon which Prometheus is already doing with Peter Weyland as founder and not Charles Bishop Weyland..

Expanding on the idea of if the Predators was behind the Urns. Well what we are left with then is whats the Sacrificial Engineer drinking, the only conclusion could be either. 1) The Engineers stole that from the Predators Millions or years ago. 2) The Urns contained something that created Eggs and Xenos but the Engineers decided to add their Goo Substance to the Mix.

Bringing Predators to the mix would be really unimaginative. They're great in their own right, but have no place in the Prometheus genre. Going forward, we want to find out more about Gods and the vastness of the Engineers' empire, not see a few reptiles fighting it out dependent on their battery-packs for an advantage.

@ zzplural ... Preach!

zzplural and Oneironaut 717>, hate to burst both of your bubbles, but I'm pretty sure the topic of this forum has proven you both wrong. So . . . yea

@ Warrior7, mark this day in your diary - you shall be proven wrong my friend! May the Gods smite you and your absurd blasphemous nonsense! In all seriousness though, I want to see Prometheus move forward - I want to know who the Engineer's are - how they came to be and how and where did they obtain the black goo, and so on and so on. RS including Predators - is taking one step back and completely absurd.

+1 @Oneironaut. agreed. ...so absurd, in fact, that it boggles the mind that a discussion is even necessary.

Excuse me @zzplural but saying that the original Space Jockey idea of having its nose attached to its chest is not daft in my opinion. It might look silly to some, including you. But to me it looks very terrifying. Its different and macbre. That is exactly what the Alien was all about. We viewed two different alien beings in Alien. The Xenonmorph and the Space Jockey. The Xenomorph enters a body, grows then errupts from the host body and continues to grow to its full size. So you can believe and except that concept, that alien being. But you cant except a 15 foot humanoid being that has an elephantine head attached to its shoulders with its nose attached to its chest. Now tell me whats the difference between the two beings. There is much difference between both life forms. But the one thing they have in common is that they are literaly out of this world. Who are we to speculate what other life forms should look like. Why do those life forms have to settle in to what we expect alien beings to look like. Who are we to argue with the cosmos as to how other life forms should look like. Are we gods? I dont think so. I will say it know. Ridley will give us the original Space Jockey concept on screen for the sequel to Prometheous. It is a given, because the secret is in the Space Jockey scene in Alien. The truth and proof is right in front of us.

On a serious note i dont think Ridley would be bringing the Predator into the equation. Maybe he and Lindelof have added things to tease us, there is a lot in the movie that can be interpreted as clues to stuff that the movie may not even be about or include. Maybe the Green Blood and the Glyphs on the Urns are made to look a bit Predator so as to fuel fire and get us wondering if there is a connection when there is not. Just like the Deacon Mural that also has a part on top that looks like the Xeno Queens Crown so to speak but it can be interpreted as either but may be neither. Some are expecting that Prometheus 2 will reveal that the Space Jockey is actually not a Engineer in the suit and some are expecting that Ridley will be re-booting the Xeno, well will leave clues and answers that validate the Alien but then make the Aliens to Alien Resurrection Xeno be well considered non canon. I do not think any of that will occur, Ridley has a tale to tell about these Engineers and Elders and one that may tie in more with the Titans and Anunaki than reverting to be about the Space Jockey and Xeno.

Well said, BigDave. I couldn't agree more. I'd wish that AVP stuff would stop popping up already, at least in context with ALIEN and Prometheus.