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Am I the only one who just wants another Alien movie?

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Bo Cherry

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 4:59 PM
I mean, the Engineer story is great and all, but I believe that if they connect the story to Alien directly, or just completely make another Alien movie, it would be more entertaining. I don't want Ridley Scott to waste the opportunity to go back to one of his best films and create an amazing backstory. I want another Alien movie, not any of this Engineer stuff. Who's with me?
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joeyjoe

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 5:44 PM
not I. Im completely into the story of the engineers etc. I feel like another "alien" movie would not only be sub-par, but a waste of a perfectly good opportunity to create something new and interesting. We all have our opinions, but im excited about the direction prometheus is headed. i hope the sequel veers even further away from the alien franchise (but maybe drops a few understated visual clues concerning the bio-weapon/alien etc.)

Xenotron

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 6:04 PM
You can do interesting stories with each of the Alien and the Engineers; you would just have to do it right. The Engineer premise (notice I'm not calling it a story because it's not) could be very interesting so long as it wasn't the demure cock-tease that Prometheus was (what I mean by that is creating an unsolvable and frustrating mystery). For an Alien sequel, it would be cool if they took it back to it's roots and had space civilians crawling through dark tunnels with flashlights and lots of jump-scares (go back and watch Alien again; there's a lot of jump-scares). Also, a little more exploration into the rape subtext might be cool. So, yes, count me among those that would want to see another Alien movie.

Jelbright

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 7:00 PM
Rape isn't cool ahole!

Patient Leech

MemberFacehuggerOct-01-2012 7:37 PM
I'd like to see another Alien movie, but the only person who can really do the Alien universe justice is Ridley, and he's not gonna do another typical Alien movie. I'm must more interested in Prometheus. Clearly he has something truly epic and profound in store for us... can't wait.

MoonMan

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 8:45 PM
Ridley admitted the Alien story was beaten to death. Aliens running around killing people. It's been done too many times. The engineer link, if done right, is far more interesting.

FREEZE!

Co-AdminMemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 8:51 PM
I agree Moon, the Engineer story gives future genre writers 'a ton' to work with. Hopefully a few years from now we can get a glimpse at an Engineer city, or perhaps even a female Engineer? I myself want to see a battle with a group of Engineers against a formidable opponent!
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SubsumeYou

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 9:18 PM
Tired of these 'Am I the only one...?' type bait questions.

Rubirosa

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 11:04 PM
Why are people so uncreative and slow nowadays. Everybody wants to get spoon fed and entertained with explosions, death and useless violence. I have no problem in being entertained if it supports the structure of the story. But please grow up people. There is nothing better then watching a well written science-fiction story that will make you think, think and think some more.

onuris

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 11:35 PM
they should make an alien 5 and link it up with prometheus 2 in the future, they discover the parts of prometheus and finish the puzzle on the alien prometheus link

Prenihility

MemberOvomorphOct-01-2012 11:37 PM
@Subsume Yyyyep. Pretty easy to spot. But you know what? Just for the hell of it.. i'll go at it. Are you for real? Ask yourself this single question - after i've given my chain of reasoning; Why the HELL would you want more Alien films? The Alien movies (except for the first one) haven't done ANYTHING, story-wise. Literally, the Alien sequels are quite possibly amongst the most pointless movies every to be created. What the hell did they do? Other than create a situation that comes as an excuse for a Xenomorph, or Xenomorphs to kill people. Completely pointless. And a waste of freakin' TIME! The only thing, in the end. The SMARTEST thing, in the end, that we've gotten; Ripley's character development. That hit its peak in Resurrection. Watching Ripley transform from the person she was, to the person she became in Resurrection. Excellent. Very well done. Now i won't penalize the first Alien movie, and deem it pointless, as i do the sequels. But because of the simple fact that the sequels EXIST, i have to. Alien not why i watch movies. I want something more. I want an actual story. I want depth. I want immersion. Atmosphere. Not an alien monstrosity running around, systematically killing off the crew of a ship. If Alien was a STANDALONE film. Which is what it SHOULD have been, i would have simply watched it, and said "good movie". Good design. A prime example of future-proof film-making. That holds up to this day. The only thing it needs; a touch-up. Watch the Bluray of Alien, and you'll see. The movie looks as if it were made today. Flawless.

onuris

MemberOvomorphOct-02-2012 12:20 AM
The alien HAS to be in the second Prometheus movie, in a religious note the alien is really the dark side of men "we create our own monsters" primeval movie" it's true, but on a scientific note i think the alien should be in the second movie for the scares and the fans it would be kind of a piss off if it was just engineers, the engineers ship crashed on lv-233 not lv-426, it's kool that they added a third race to the event, but don't forget about the first movie that started this franchise "ALIEN" made by non other then Ridley Scott so do you really think that he is going to make a movie that takes place in the alien universe and not put the "ALIEN" in it ???!!!!!!! Also so this is a great opportunity to create different alien hybrids seeing as it's early in the evolution stage!! and as for you prenihility the alien franchise is the same concept as a zombie apocalypses surrounded by everything you can kill i don't like that kinda shit i' m all for story to but unlike stupid zombies alien actually has a purpose not to just go around eat flesh and turn people into more zombies that crap. so that's why i wanna see it Prometheus 2 i wanna see how it was made and evolved and alien 5 okay that does sound kinda foolish

sukkal

MemberOvomorphOct-02-2012 1:45 AM
Alien shmalien. It was done. It was really good. Now let's move on... BUT, I have to ask, WHY was almost all of the screen time that was originally devoted to the Engineers (and even SHOT) not included in this movie?! CLEARLY the Engineers are what have defined the rebirth of of this franchise. Look at what was done promotionally at SDCC. Look at the effin’ cover of the most expensive Blu-Ray they've come up with yet... The core value proposition moving forward is the Engineers. Period.

BigDave

MemberDeaconOct-02-2012 7:23 AM
You will see another Alien Movie..... its inevitable the Alien Xeno is such a iconic creation that some where down the line there would be a Movie or TV Series Spin off. But i am not talking soon, we may have to wait 10, 20, even 30 years but at some point i think that the Xenomorph will be visited again. As far as any time soon, like to coincide with Prometheus i dont think so, but i do think we may get to see them in Prometheus 3 even if for such a short time. As i think Ridley will want to tie in the Xeno to the Engineers and how the Xeno came to be or how the Engineers came to come into contact with them. Because he would know if he never did, then somewhere down the line with the Question.... how did the Engineers come across the Xeno, how was it created left unanswered then if there is demand, then someone else will ANSWER those Questions and it would be totally out of creative control about what direction that could be and it could be something that goes completely against the idea that Ridley has but one he may want to keep a Mystery but a Mystery he may be forced to Answer or risk someone else Answer it differently to his ideas. ANYWAY... You Love the Xeno.... Well i think we will see the Xeno used a lot in Video Games and over the next 10-20 years Video Games will advance to a stage where you are actually part of the Story the Action or feel like it and it would also be a Visual Story that you can change. As far as the Xeno in Movies, well what do you do to make a Story/Scenario about them that has not been covered in the other Movies.... The only Logical one is about the Xeno prior to Alien and thus the purpose the Space Jockey Race used them and against Who. I think Ridley will answer that but dont expect it to be a movie with Xenos in it all the way through as there are other ways to explain the reasons for the Xeno.

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BigDave

MemberDeaconOct-02-2012 7:40 AM
[b][i]"What the hell did they do? Other than create a situation that comes as an excuse for a Xenomorph, or Xenomorphs to kill people.[/i]"[/b] There was more to the Story than just Xenos on a Rampage, the Premise of these movies was mainly the ability of the Xeno to Survive its Survival Instincts its main instinct to pro-create its species. Then the story of how Weyland wanted to get there hands on the said Organism for the use of a Bio Weapon. A lot of the movies was about Xenos killing, but their was a story around that. In Alien well the Organism did the same thing, that was kill, unless you look at the deleted scene. But the thing with Alien was the way it was done, it was a tense dark Horror Thriller with the point being on subtle things and sounds that made you jump, rather than fully see the Xenomorph all the time. Many Horror Films start like that the Friday 13th the Nightmare on Elm Street and the sequels turn into more of a in your face, action horror hack fest. Than the original more tense thriller aspects. I guess the reasons are the Originals we get to see the Bad Guy fully by the time the movie is finished and thus the Monster/Villain has been exposed and so in future movies they carry on with the premise that while we already know what a Alien, Freddy and Jason look like and what they do, lets exploit what they do and look like. They simply lost the unknown villain aspect of them. Some could say that Prometheus had many parts that was pointless, it was trying to cover to many bases.... Showed only little of every aspect so we still dont know in detail... 1) What the Urns can do. 2) What killed the Engineers. 3) Who are the Engineers in depth and their Agenda. 4) Why create and show the Deacon. 5) What becomes of LV 223. Plus many more... But this is all done with ambiguity and covered a lot of bases so that their are a lot of directions a sequel could go, any sequels could pick up on any number of parts of Prometheus and explore and explain them in more detail but in a way that then raises more questions. My point about what was the point, is that some could ask.... so whats Prometheus trying to accomplish? Who created us and Why?, Who Created the xeno and Why? Who was the Space Jockey etc etc... It was a movie that had many plots and stories running through it, rather than a single one or two as we saw in Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 etc. By the way Alien Resurrection was i agree a bit pointless and very flawed and also not because they wanted to visit the Xeno, but then they had to think how to we get Ripley Back and thus they made a plot to be around Ripley more than the Xeno... that well..... SUCKED... Sigourney Weaver even said before that she would like to be in another Alien movie if they did Alien 5, and she may had been a little disappointed she never played a part in Ridleys plans for a prequel. Sorry but as far as the Story making sense... Ripley died in Alien 3

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BigDave

MemberDeaconOct-02-2012 7:47 AM
@onuris I dont think we will find out much, certainly not in Prometheus 2, maybe at the end. I think at the end we may find out about the Fall of LV 223 but i think that could be explained in Prometheus 3, where i do think we would get some explanation as to how the Engineers came into contact with or created the Xeno and why. And its connection with LV 223 and the Urns.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Rubirosa

MemberOvomorphOct-02-2012 8:23 AM
Lets move on people. Its time to find out what the Engineers are all about.

onuris

MemberOvomorphOct-02-2012 11:53 AM
the engineers are only on the front of the blue-ray because the story is introducing there true form in the "ALIEN" universe, and besides there's gotta be some sort of monster in these kinda films.

onuris

MemberOvomorphOct-02-2012 12:00 PM
um Rubirosa what is this discussion called, leave the engineers out of this, there amazing i like the concept but i like prometheus because it's based in the "ALIEN" universe, and the engineers originated in the first alien movie, so once they explain how the engineers ship crashed or even how it got there i' ll shut up but for now i' m in it for the creation of us and the "ALIEN"

asphaltpilot

MemberOvomorphOct-02-2012 12:08 PM
I’m astounded that a couple of you guys are knocking one of the greatest sci-fi and horror movies of all time (Alien). I don’t mind seeing another Alien movie, but not with the typical xeno’s. I want to know more about the deacon-type xenos, or the different types, or how they came to be. I just hope the next film(s) is still more on Prometheus (the engineers) and what the hell is going on and why. Having the xeno as a side note, or making a better connection between Alien and Prometheus, is inevitable.

onuris

MemberOvomorphOct-02-2012 12:20 PM
@asphaltpilot > that is exactly what i mean, i found the story line of prometheus interesting, but knowing that this was where the xenomorph came from, made it more exciting, i don't want it to be only about the alien, but is could show side story of even the odd confrontation with the engineer,humans and alien (deacon) like the t -rex in jurassic park, how it was fallowing the main characters.

Prenihility

MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 12:17 PM
@BigDave Even if there is a story. There... really isn't a story. Because it's got no depth. Weyland studying Aliens as weapons, DEEP. We get to watch Aliens procreate through facehugging, and chestbursting. DEEP. Prometheus is the bigger picture. And Prometheus is starting to do what all great movies do. It is developing an extensive, detailed codex of information. To the point where even the STORY can't be fully defined yet. I doubt, in the end, even once we've seen Paradise, we won't get the full picture. We'll definately get more. But Not even the basic basics of what's going on in the Engineers. Which is what brings me to the next thing. The Engineers. They're the star players. They're the main centre of attention. And they should be. They're what's going to be explored in the series. And that is worth exploring. And in time, over the course of the series' story unfolding, the Alien nut-huggers will be satisfied. Because i KNOW, that in the end even they will get their answers. A pretty straight-forward answer to a straight-forward aspect of the movie. The Xenomorphs. Mmmmeh. It'll be cool to finally acknowledge how they came to be. But that won't be people's main conern. Prometheus needs to be standalone, with a TINY TAD of Alien on the side. Just the origins of the Xenomorphs.

onuris

MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 2:38 PM
alien started prometheus so enough with the "leave alien out"crap, it's not a Freaking alien movie nor a prequel to alien BUT it is still based in the ALIEN universe, i agree with you prenihility but not every scifi movie HAS to have a story to it !!!! look at the stupid zombie movies, there's little or no story to them, so please stop!!!, yes keep the engineers in the picture and maybe show there life style but enough of the alien ranting, prometheus would have never came out if alien hadn't!!

BigDave

MemberDeaconOct-03-2012 7:49 PM
Well thats the thing you see, some want more Xeno and some dont... Also we have to remember Fox holds the cards.... if they want to do a movie about the Deacon and Weyland Yutani and Ridley wanted to just go and follow the Engineers who are they what do they do now and in the past. If Fox think the other is a money spinner, they could simply go and get in say Cameron or who ever and cater more for the Alien fans. I think Ridley and Fox will do as much as they can to allow Ridley to explore his story about the Engineers while give subtle clues to the Xeno, i do think at some point Ridley will make a connection between. Engineers - Xeno -Urns - LV 223 and what happened 2000 years ago, and maybe LV 426 even if its vague. I am sure Ridley would want to keep Mysterys but he would rather answer those Mysterys once and for all rather than leave the door open for Fox to get someone else in and exploit/answer the Questions in a way that would make Ridley turn in his grave. By not being a part of Aliens, he lost control of how the Xeno evolved in latter movies and Weyland etc... i am sure he would not want the same to be done with the Xeno Origins and Engineers. Because if some think that Aliens onwards and AVPs destroyed Alien, if Ridley does not answer the purpose and creation of the Xeno etc, then when Ridley is gone someone could come along and make their own answers that could damage Alien and Prometheus furthermore.

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BigDave

MemberDeaconOct-03-2012 7:53 PM
END OF THE DAY..... The Alien Prequel was to be Paradise..... As we have it now i think Prometheus is not the story Ridley is trying to tell. The story he is trying to tell is Paradise...... Prometheus is merely the Prologue Its a introduction to the Engineers and Elders. While making a connection with Weyland Corp and its roots. While making vague connection with the Xeno. Paradise could go and explore the Engineers and their purpose and Agenda and what has become of them.... After this there is room to then explore the reasons behind LV 223 the Urns and Xeno, as part of a Prometheus 3 even though Prometheus 2 may give more subtle clues as Prometheus did. Weather or not we will explore the Deacon and Weyland to Weyland Yutani is unknown, unless off course he could do two movies in one, running side by side but not connected.

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Rubirosa

MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 9:27 PM
Im sorry @ Onuris your new to this site so get used to the fact that not everyone has to agree with your opinon. I dont expect you to agree with my opinion about focusing on the Engineers rather then the Xenomorphs who are this point boring. They are killing machines. That is all that they are. I want to know who the Engineers are all about. There culture, there way of thinking and so on. The Xeno lovers on this site have no grasp about the original film. The original Xenomorph should be left alone. If left alone it becomes more powerful in the long run. It becomes a symbol of death that had its run and is now history. It is time to move on.

Voidhawk

MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 9:46 PM
Ah, I should have post here before. Simple Answer: NO Enough Space Ants. After James Cameron that is what it became, the Attack of the Space Ants. Enough. Time to leave the dead Monster Movie behind and move to real science fiction. The first ALIEN was not a monster movie but a thriller with an alien organism attacking the crew, so we have horror elements but the science fiction was strong, as well as thriller and a good paced movie. The sequels becamwe pure matinee monster movies adding nothing tot he original story and they saw it is long dead. Innovate and leave the old xenos as what they are: bioweapons used by the Engineers, and they might be an even minor weapon in their arsenal.
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Rubirosa

MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 10:22 PM
I agree with everythink you said @Voidhawk!

Prenihility

MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 10:38 PM
@Rubirosa Yep. Me and Void constantly saying that, ahahaha. Because it's TRUE! And btw... DIRTY profile picture... Best. Star Wars character. EVER!

onuris

MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 10:54 PM
here the thing. i agree with all of you, yes the engineers are to pick up the story know, all i was saying i want to know how the alien ended up on lv-426, i don't want killing and gore, although it would be nice to see the deacon's hunting behavior tho, and for my last post i was tired of hearing people call and say that the alien are just a bunch of killers or calling them stupid names ,or bad mouthing them, you don't read my comments and see me bad mouthing the engineers do i? cuz i wasn't trying to, when i saw Prometheus i was kinda disappointed at the end, like how the hell does the deacon get on lv-426 or even did it evolve before it got there,this discussion is so post to be about the alien not the engineers?? but as a fellow fan i have full respect for your opinions,just please stop calling them names -_____- if you actually watched the movies you'll know that there smarter then they actually are, i find the engineers interesting but one thing at a time.

shambs

MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 10:54 PM
I'm open to all possibilities, I just want a good screen writer...I don't care if there are Aliens or not...the script is one of the most important things to me.
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