Sexism and social ignorance in Prometheus

LOL that's pretty sad. I'm not taking the OP's side. Just to clarify. However, I did want to clarify that the gender stuff is there for a deeper purpose. There's so much more I could go into, you have to understand that a lot of the characters are following the leader and some of Weyland rubbed off on the culture he was shaping. Holloway is most obviously like Weyland. Both are egotistic, but Holloway pouts when he thinks he's wrong. The character's themselves are being influenced in so many different ways. Weyland turned their culture into what it is during his long reign. The sexual stuff needs to stay under the surface with the alien species. I had to post my whole thesis, more or less, just to show the OP how they will bring gender equality back into it. We need the queen/goddess aspect. I've already said too much from things in the planning stages, but what if the female side are the true creators... The female/goddess side are the true hidden creators. For me there's no desire to portray myself as some sort of male feminist. I used to be an analyst/archaeological lab supervisor so a lot of my posts I'm describing what I've seen in certain patterns. I'm not just pulling stuff out of my ass ;) The female side has been repressed all across the board...for now (no female androids either). That's the extent to which I agree with the OP. However this is simply to emphasize the king's reign. We will see the Deacon become king or spawn the King... They spread the "message" of the god-king Alien. You have to look at Vicker's words as prophecy: "A king has his reign and then he dies... it's inevitable..." What this means is by the end of the story there will be equality and a Queen will reign. Kings are meant to die out some time. In the Alien species they usually have a short lifespan... They are usually dead by the time a hive/kingdom is complete and then the Queen takes over... "that's the natural order of things". There is a hidden father to the Alien species that we've never had the honor of being introduced to. We always show up a little late or interrupt the hive building process. Every time a hive is created there's a small chance a male/hermaphroditic alien started in and died off. What the Engineers have done is brought the normally unseen parts of the Alien to the surface... But the x chromosome can resurface as it did in humanity... We do need both sides. Not one or the other. A balance between similar opposites. The aliens need both as well, however their natural order has led to Queens controlling the males... The Engineers tried to use the male side of the gentics, which is also the morphing side. They still represent the female leaning creature. But as we can see by the pycho-sexual design of the Alien and Hammerpede there are male traits and female traits mixed together... It's all about how the queen/female/goddess side has been repressed over time... even in religious texts history and our newer organized religions goddesses were pretty much taken out of the myths. This started a very long time ago. The gender thing is one small part of it that's leading to what will be called a King alien. The King alien is the opposite of a Queen, even bigger, and something so rare that it usually dies off at the start of hive building... It has its reign and dies before the series ends and we discover the need for a Queen. Cameron's ideas weren't too bad, but if you have a Queen, warriors and drones, there's suddenly a sexual division, and therefore the possibility of a King. The King would not destroy the Queen concept, and in fact adds to Cameron's ideas. It springs out of a need to address gender issues as one of the many things this film is threading. It also contains the morphing part of the life cycle. Used in the absence of a Queen... Ridley gets to go back to the morphing cycle and have free reign over how to depict the King Alien. Allowing more freedom to make these Aliens different, and not having to rewrite or alter the established Queen/drone dynamic. This would be an unseen part that usually doesn't arise. So you see the Aliens have always had the male side repressed... They've always had a queen. But Ridley and Fox are in the process of reversing and adding to that. People expected LV426 and we got LV223. Characters expected gods and they found that the Engineers are us. Queen. The poster needs to understand that there's a reason for all the male dominance. Holloway has reason to distrust David. There are no other androids like him. None that close to humans. No other android except Call had freewill... They won't give Ash freewill or the emotional understanding David has. David is one of a kind monster. There may be millions of Davids out there but none have earned their freewill like this one did. Through a cunning plan that led and deceived all the characters. David knew exactly what he was doing when he opened that door and probably knows so much more.

Oh man i need a Brew after all this

Nobody really gives a rat's ass about your opinion Riplye7 so just move on. I'm done talking to you. Buhbye.

Great thoughts Mala'kak...stuff I hadn't thought of nor can add to at this time. Soon perhaps...

Mala'kak I read both of the lengthy posts concerning themovie. They are a bit of background/overview that would be needed by future script writers. Like you I will be looking forward to see how our storyline started in prometheus will continu and ultimately hook up with Alien. Yes, I know you drew the connecting lines but ti is a liong way from now til the additioanla episodes are writtrten, made are released for humans to view. The was one item that i missed in your notes that is an obsession to site members. That is the role 'goo' plays in the storyline you presented. As read your notes you were pulling together a broader picture than an earthling like me is absorbng from our movie. That tells me that 'goo' is just a tool not the core of the movie it's self/ If you could address the 'goo' issue then at least for me it would make it easier to see how the story pieces you recently outline fit together in a unifying theme..

OK, sure thing, Thesus, that was a great comeback and a very thorough and convincing explanation for your insanely hypocritical behavior. Well, I'm so enthralled with you consciousness in regards to gender issues I'm going to introduce something I call "the Thesus Doctrine of Phony Pandering Feminism." Let's just recap here. Wrong: Using "mankind" instead of "humankind." This is biased against women, because terminology must always be equal based on gender. There must be no gender preferences, because they marginalize those that do not receive those preferences. It's sexism! OK: Using gender and genitalia based insults like "stop jacking off!" and "you're a little boy!" Wrong: A character treating an android poorly in a film, because androids have an identity worthy of respect too! This is social ignorance! OK: Calling other people retards. Can you write an actual thesis on this, Thesus? I want to see the exact theories you use to support this new doctrine of conscious enlightenment. But yes, keep up the good fight against the evil patriarchy, Sir White Knight!

Oh dear, oh dear. Javablue is going to have a stroke if his chain of reasoning unwinds completely. Eroded pyramids are still called pyramids, even though they no longer have sharply defined triangular faces. Because it's their [i]function[/i] that is important. They still qualify as pyramids and their actual shape is of superficial importance. Since nails in the coffin appear to be required, here's another pyramid (in Mexico): [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Guachimontones_Jalisco_-_Esteban_Tucci.jpg[/img]

The sexism I see is how men are depicted. *Only men drinking booze *Janek hitting on Vickers by calling her frigid *Fifield ..Loud, In your Face/Obnoxious talk to Shaw before leaving group. *Holloway yelling at Shaw after getting out of the storm. Find out why she went into it. Insensitive. So of course there is sexism as there is any other kind of 'ism' we find in life. As far as sexist remarks about women they have already been documented. .... I think the women depicted in our movie are not the dependent type but those that chose to be where they are in this movie, not because of being forced to be there, but that they chose to take the trip. Choice is OK. I was raised a Catholic but until 10 years or so ago i didn't realize there was a bias and even hatred toward Catholics.. It may have existed but like it was mentioned n the LoA movie it didn't hurt because I didn't care.

Good points Indy John....it goes both ways. I think Nostromo001 said the goo is a mutagen. Having lived through a number of decades where more sexist attitudes existed between both men and women I think I have a perspective on this. I'm not old enough to have lived through the 50s and 60s where oppression of women was far worse, i.e., a single mom was an outcast and discriminated against. I'm in no way saying Scott or anyone who wrote the movie as a sexist but I did notice some attitudes and languaging that seemed outdated and uncharacteristic for 2080's or 2090's society. Perhaps social attitudes won't change much in 70 or 80 years. Based on the last 40-50 years we've seen a lot of progress and still a lot of immaturity. On another note...zzplural is right.... pyramids can be round.

[i]pyramids can be round[/i] It is impossible for a pyramid, by simple definition, to be a round dome shape. End of story. It's like saying a square is circular. There is a reason two characters refer to the dome as a pyramid and it is a small humble clue into what's really happening in the movie. The viral campaign is strong on this site. Scott's thematic real life experiment on how reality is created doesn't auger well for Prometheus' audience - many of who ironically call themselves sci-fi fans - as a media blitz has convinced them that a dome is a pyramid. Some posters are now replacing scenes in the movie with deleted scenes and drawing (wrong) conclusions. Fucking amazing.