Do you want to believe in intelligent ancient extraterrestrials seeding earth?

I sort of believe in science & archaeology but I lost faith in that at one point in my life. Sometimes science fails to recognize when it doesn't have all of the available evidence yet. Things still need to be dug up, tying into David only working out the broad strokes. It's not that ancient aliens are being covered up... I think whole periods of our existence have yet to be discovered and properly examined. There's an upper limit to how far back carbon dating can go, but once we start applying a lot of the new absolute dating techniques in a more widespread way we'll find out much more about the period around 1.5-2 million years ago. There's a lot of corporate/gov't involvement in archaeology that tries too hard to maintain the status quo. We're talking about carbon dating here... things like the pyramids can't actually be carbon dated themselves so we have to look at artifacts that are in context, and this leads to the possibility that the dates historians give are not accurate. I know it's hard to hear but many Egyptologists have been bought and paid for, and you only get to be one if you study for many years, regurgitating what is said in the textbooks, and then work your way up the corporate ladder. To archaeologists on the outside it's a joke... In which we were already becoming ancestral homo sapiens, but were contemporaries with a lot of other species that were exiting the stage like Homo Neanderthalensis, Homo Habilis and Homo Erectus. Basically, I follow the theory that we out-bred and out-warred them-- but I think we did have a little help culturally. Archaeologists are really dropping the ball on exposing how long we have been here for and challenging historians accounts of the developments in culture that they base on literature. While archaeologists use actual science to recreate an accurate story of the past. Things that tell of a time far before the written word existed. However the spoken word has been shown to have most likely existed long before this, and early ways of conveying thought through art definitely did. Some of the things we've dug up are astounding, and sometimes unexplainable like crystal infused metals no one has ever seen. This tells me there's a lot more to the story. But I think it's much simpler than aliens, while at the same time encompassing the myths about them, which can make it seem complex.. It's all about man. An earlier stage of man that preceded us and the things that came after. The rounds of man described in the Greek myths. We were created and then destroyed a number of times already if you go by those myths, even in the Old testament God has no qualms about wiping out things he deems punishable like Sodom and Gamorrah, or the destruction of the Garden of Eden. Forcing humans to live outside Paradise. I believe in myths about the Golden Age, Atlantis, a precursor civilization, a paradise lost, a destroyed garden, a global stone-age empire that once existed etc more so than ancient aliens. although I believe they're one and the same... This could explain why they return and pose as gods, although they are said to look like us in the myths. Prometheus shows that the Engineers are a genetic match, they didn't create us, we're actually a reproduction of them. Made in their image, the image that the true God's of the story created. Shaw asking who created them is the obvious evidence that they aren't actually creators. More like reverse engineers. These being mingled with the gods. The Atlanteans mingled with the Olympian gods and Titans, but they were an earlier group of humanity. The first round of humanity in the Greek myths. The original blueprint for all the life that deviated/sped up through its influence and hybridized with it. Some of the earliest myths about Atlantean like beings indicate them to have been a tall race of man with extremely advanced forms of science. Linguistically atlantis relates to a number of other dialects but the most clear interpretation comes from the norweigan or swedish where it was altlandis. Which basically means "all land ice" but it's referring to a time period, and links through a series of other etymological links form a meaning close to "when all the land masses were covered with ice except for this mythical island empire"... So basically the mythic Atlanteans could have been a much earlier line of hominid that survived numerous ice ages with its advanced technology, before it ever restarts civilization with the many claimed sites in the Mediterranean and Carribean. While the other groups struggled to survive on the planet. We've lived through ice ages before, there's proof in the archaeological record. Just how we did that during our evolution is interesting. We basically burrowed. What I'm proposing, is the mythic Atlanteans known to the greeks to be incredibly advanced left the planet in a previous ice age... Only to return as our kings. The aliens are us, we were made from their original designs as Prometheus's recreation outlines. Prometheus only created one of the rounds of humanity... Poseidon created the first round of humanity in the Greek myths. The Atlanteans. Our story hasn't started at the beginning. We never saw the Engineer's being created & they are us, hence we haven't really seen how we were created as Shaw hints. We were made in their image, another round of that original design. They precede us and everything that came after them when they fell into the ocean...It was only them who returned later on to pose as gods... as aliens... We're missing that part. They are us, an earlier line of hominid, man's sins, and have been sinning this whole time. The serpent in the garden of eden is the atlanteans, is this earlier group of priests and scientists who knew of the tree of knowledge and of life. had lived through the ice ages. Had slept through the centuries and left to distant moons, leaving record of where they were going if we dared to follow in their quest to kill the father. To destroy the true creators who trapped them on this rock with us. They destroyed the garden and want to destroy it again because they're jealous of us. Earth is their home too, which sets up in the conflict for those who have read about the many groups that look like us in real-world ufology. I honestly believe it's a mixture of things and there could be truth to many myths, but you have to look at the earliest sources. Then look at what the priests have encoded in the updated versions of the myths. There can be some truth to myths--it's encoded in the root word. There is a sort of code that runs through organized religion I believe, but now it's so shrouded in BS and all the ways the myths have changed, that only priests who understand how to interpret certain things or have access to the vatican library can gain that knowledge. And then they gain power. And with power can sometimes come corruption. And we have a great deal of corruption going on inside religion/the vatican these days. So knowledge can equal corruption as in the garden of eden myth, and it could end up destroying Paradise if too much knowledge is spread ;) The things we believe to be Ancient aliens, at least the ones that look like us... I believe they were the returning descendents of Atlanteans who intended to rule us. Think about it the sumerian stories say they interbred directly with us, not only genetic manipulation like in the Enki parts. To do so they would actually have to be very closely related to us in the first place. In addition the atlanteans were said to be genetic meddlers, but they only hybridize things. Let's say they didn't want to lose all their technology when the ice age began and when the ice age finally ended. They had been situated along the equator in the Atlantic ocean between the continents, the only area free of ice as the ice age began ending 14 000 years ago. As the ocean levels rose and habitable zones were created on the continents mass flooding ensued which connects all these stories. During this process colonization of the the newly available land areas had begun in the fertile cresecent, with the Atlanteans and those they saved claiming to be gods... Portraying themselves as gods like Weyland. Nowadays they're portrayed as the humanoid aliens (I'm not totally discounting the possibility of something else out there, in the Greek myths the ruler of Atlantis is Zeus's brother, and then we have Titans). There really could be something else out there as described in some of our earliest myths, different types of beings who aren't depicted as human, however the bird man concepts in Egypt are simply indicating that they would fly like a falcon or eagle. Seeming to glide. Hovering in place. I personally believe in a mixture of things, and that you have to combine everything to get the answer. The simplest answer may not always be the right one unless we actually have all the evidence. 1000's of submerged pyramids/complexes off the coasts of both sides of the Atlantic, and in the Pacific tell me we are the aliens and there's a deliberate reason the Engineers are so human as to be a genetic match... They aren't the true creators/aliens yet. something else gave birth to them. Who were actually very much human to the Greeks, before their civilization fell and they became mermaids. Some of the myths and Plato himself described it as an Empire. What if earth was meant to be a colony and the Atlanteans were really angels, dark angels that destroyed themselves, fallen angels ;) And them rebelling against the fathers/gods, and passing along some of the knowledge to us, letting us bite the apple. Meant that we became free and didn't have to live as servants to the Olympians as the Atlanteans were. David could take a similar approach and his rebellion against the fathers might lead to us being a little more free, although we end up with the knowledge of good and evil.

There was a time when priests and scientists meant pretty much the same thing. Ancient priests used to also function as scientists in many cases. The priest class was basically the scientist class in those days... Such a massive change occurred in the way the underclasses of the rulers organize themselves, their symbols, their proto-languages, and systems of worship. What we're looking at is beyond belief, theories and hypotheses. It involves the historical roots of what you could call the secret societies. They developed out of these early priesthoods and priest classes who guarded knowledge... Knew about the movements of the stars, but may not have actually been from them. They just had more time to observe them and pass their knowledge on to cultures all around the world, as well as the pyramid designs and bits of culture. Explaining why Pyramids show up in South America and in the highest numbers in China. We want actual scientific fact now. And the problem with alien astronaut hypothesis is that it raises too many questions from the anthropological/ archaeological angle. Things that can't be explained by observing what we've dug up. We have myths and things of that nature to go off of, but there's not enough physical evidence to start forming a valid hypothesis yet. Much of the evidence can go so many ways, but it's about trying to explain all of the evidence at the same time. That's why I sort of lean towards an unconventional belief about Atlanteans. I think certain aspects of culture want us to buy into the alien astronaut stuff to cover up what really went on... In the past it was much easier to make people believe these were mystical beings from the lights above that were visiting. And becoming the early god-kings described in myth. The movie 10 000 BC says it best about the egyptians although probably slightly inaccurate, as the Egyptians have their own tales about the powerful island empire. "Some say they came from the stars, others say the water". This was altered to make them seem divine, give them the divine right to rule.

@Fleshvessel - I guess I can believe what I choose to believe & so can you. Therefore, we are different. As to who is right, who cares? To everyone here: I will never personally question what anyone here believes, it is way above my pay grade. I can only answer questions as to what I think in regard to the question posted for discussion. There have been quite a few personal attacks on this site lately & it is something I hope will cease. We can leave the head-ripping-off trait to the Engineers, right?

yup.... wait no! raaaghhhhhhhr rrriiiiip! jk :P i'm an atheist but i totally get why people believe in various spiritual 'stuff' for starters mostly ppl seem to be hardwired to beleive in something i sometimes think science is a replacement in part for that hence some people having [b]emotively[/b] strong opinions about sciencey matters if we were all logical and spock-like we wouldnt argue and nitpick so much would we? we'd debate more calmly lol, sometimes the thought of oblivion shakes me and i wish i could beleive in a god or afterlife but i cant right from childhood it just didnt fit......

[quote]But let's not kid ourselves. No one is 'right'. Everyone just has not seen all of the truth yet.[/quote] And probably we will never know, that's why it is called faith. Anyway the science is more productive than faith and religion, after all the knowledge of the universe, that is expanding every day, is thanks to science and not thanks to religion or pseudoscience.

It's not an attack, it's a challenge. Also I made no claims to know who made us or what awaits us. Only that I find one to be more likely than another (if I had to choose) I could argue your reply was also an attack-Stating that you, personally, would NEVER stoop to my level, in your glorious humility. The implication is there. I Believe any faith or belief system should be able to Stand up to a little scrutiny and i welcome people to challenge or question Anything i post as it will only serve to strengthen our collective knowledge. I asked a genuine question about your methodology of deciding what to believe and what not to. I may have poked a bit, but everything I said is a part of my belief system- QUESTION EVERYTHING. (All of that being said, I could be a little softer- you're right.) I hope we can still be friends.

That last line sounds sarcastic but it really isn't (just in case it came across that way)

@Shambhala. Keep in mind religion/faith is a theorum. So when you say "science is more productive than faith and religion" I would have to strongly disagree. Because religion answers the "why?" "The why we were created" part. Science doesn't. Thats why so many people follow religion and faith, because its a sense of fulfillment, that science doesn't give. Sooner then later science will answer the "who created us" part, but people could care less about that part, theres no value to that. So like i said, i believe faith is the most productive thing, in a sort of different sense. ( I know i went a little of track)

@ParkenN, that's like saying "Science can not explain that God does not exist, so he exists"...that is wrong and is a fallacy. Religion has answered this question with fantasy, IMO, and science does not work that way. Furthermore, science does not answer why we were created? the real question is how life began on Earth? Is too easy explain everything with magic and then suggest just have faith...in fact, anyone can do that...also the religion can not conclude anything about it because they have no evidence...that is why they ask you to have faith. Science Could never explain everything, that's impossible (but the religion could, and in a very easy way), but the methodology of Science is more reliable...also the journey of knowledge never end, and that's beautiful.

BTW, I want to clarify that my intentions are not to offend people's beliefs. Everyone here has a right to have their own beliefs and opinions. I'm just stating my point of view and respond to the person who addresses me, that's all. :)

@Fleshvessel - I value your views & you are absolutely still my friend!

@Shambhala. I'd read my comment a little more carefully. Because I clearly stated "sooner then later science will prove who really created us" so yes I do believe there's so much more to the picture. And yes i would have to agree that knowledge and truth are two of the most valuable things. But who really cares if religion answers the "why" through magic and fairy tells, it still makes people feel their worth something. And I for one am not even religious, if anything I do believe our origins come from another being. But science can never answer why we were created, and that "why" part gives people hope, and makes them feel like there worth something. Science currently doesn't do this for people, but hell things might change. Just to clarify; Im not some person trying to push religion down anyones throat. But for the majority of the world population, people follow religion because it gives them hope of an after life and "something more". That my friend is something nothing else but religion/faith can give.