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The1PerfectOrganism

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To answer some of the so called "plotholes" to begin with unanswered questions and things left up to speculation aren't plotholes. There is only one plothole in Prometheus and it's David's ladder which no-one seemed to gripe about anyway. Plotholes are contradictions within the Plot itself. For instance, one thing that is brought up often. Fitfield and Milburn getting lost. One- They can't use the map as it's connected to the digital map on the Prometheus vessel, which because of the storm outside they couldn't connect to, just like when they talked with Janek they kept cutting out transmission. Two- They had no-where to go so they can't be lost, they only had the option of either going outside (Into instant death)or go round in circles. Another may be the claim that the Black DNA manipulation liquid (BDML) is inconsistent, not true in the beginning it destroys life to create life (The premise of the film and the Alien series) it varies based upon the life-form and method but it's always done the same thing. There are a few inconsistencies such as gloves etc. But no major plot holes that any other film doesn't have, Alien has actually more plot holes than Prometheus. Also you must take into consideration that although it's based in a Science-Fiction setting, the Engineers and the like are very much fantasy. Oh and the DNA match, plenty of creatures on Earth have the same base DNA as us but the fact that the Engineer does that is provably from another planet but the link proves they come from us. And Holloway whenever he takes off his helmet sees the air is breathable, what he doesn't detect is the change in atmosphere it causes (This is why the Engineers wear helmets) releasing the BDML and the storm triggering the horrific events afterwards. If you need anymore questions answered, please reply, I am happy to answer. I feel this is a very underrated film due to people not sitting and thinking for a minute, hopefully in the future people will see this.
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Exactly Necro its sooo obvious that many of these muddled parts are there because of the bad finish it all got with lindelof then scott trying to add bits at the last minute or simply wanting to do things for cinematic effect for want of a better word. They took there helmets off to create tension in the film and get better shots for RIdley is just one example sacrificing realism - many film do this kind of thing its just when the film is supposed to be real like this one it totally messes it up! Just had a look at that whole getting lost part of the film and I just realised they must have been lost and listening to all the radio conversations for ages and had a 3D map it wasnt just like a few minutes - they had left for like 5 minutes when janek starts to say the storm is coming then you have vickers saying they have 15 minutes before the ships doors are closed all of which mill and fifield would of heard. Sooo obviously not thought through!! They would of worked out in seconds they were going the wrong way even if they were below average intelligence - they clearly state they know which way is east later on after the storm kicks in man its so clear as day anyone denying this needs help! I probably should add my explanation for this : they wanted a way to get them lost to do the snake scene it plain and simple lindelof and ridley wanting that scene and just not being very good at making it come about in a real way - I just hope this new script writer is amazing because if no one else is checking these things and ridley just throws a few more in its going to end up messing up in these areas again. I agree its not the worst scene like the helmet one - god that will go down in history as one of the most almighty f ups ever if part 2 does not give some new reasoning to it :O !

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Yeah I agree. They obviously made it this way for the sake of continuity. But Ridley has sacrificed realism to show these idiotic moments. Surely he could have done it a different way. A big part of Ridley's craft and what he is well known for, is making his films as realistic and believable as possible. Instead of having Milburn trying to make friends with the snake, why didn't they make it so he backs away from it, very slowly, while telling Fifield not to run away or make any fast movements. The hammerpede then gets closer and closer as they both back away, and then strikes. That would have been more realistic, while at the same time, sticking to the continuity of the story. But i'll tell ya, the one thing that baffles my brain the most about all this, is the fact that i'm obsessed with a film that frustrates the f**k out of me! It's like I love it and hate it in equal measures LOL

The poster was good though!

 

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There is a minor bug related to one of the mercenaries (but is independent of the editing process) and apparently there are a couple of twins [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/revelados-extras-el-final-alternativo-prometh-L-UCTHfY_zps683d370e.jpeg[/img] And one of these twins survived during the attack of Fifield [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/Vladimir_zps6a891ca6.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/vladimir4_zps21dde2e7.png[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/vladimir3_zps89e01f21.png[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/Sheppard_zps47bcafa4.jpg[/img] Then ... Where was this guy in the scene with the latest Engineer? or during the kamikaze attack against the Juggernaut? Do we have another survivor for the sequel? :p [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/shoot1_zps93a9be77.png[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/w8bJatt_zpsdbfcca52.jpg[/img]
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Love the last shot its the only one that creates a good illusion of the Engineer you could be fooled that he is like 9ft plus here... But even so how the angle is and measurements would put Engineer at 8ft this is considering Merc is 6ft, but then Merc pose is bent so takes height off and so take into account that then we get Engineer size of just over 7.5ft lol.

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As far as the Helmet Scene... Again their readings suggest atmosphere is clean, and breathable and David confirms this and Ford confirms cleaner than Earth Actually. Now Holloway is a different kind of Scientist and he is very excited and in the moment of excitement and having been told Air is Breathable he takes off his Helmet. Shaw causes him a Crazy So and So. Also maybe they should be more cautious as you dont know what kinds of microbes could be airborne etc... and can we trust the crews equipments? As dont forget they detected no hostile microbes or cotangents when they scanned the Engineer head, yet latter detected signs of cell changes and a cotangent thus outbreak.

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Helmet scene : exactly - they dont detect the black goo or the green goo on the panel or the alive engineer or the dead one or god knows what else - there could of been traps / security none of which come up on scanners and they only really know whats in that room and a few others at that point - what about around the corner! And almost more importantly they are contaminating the environment even people who are not 'top scientists' (in Ridleys own words) every-day idiots know a find like this you go in sterile and try your damnedest to not contaminate the scene so you know what was already there etc. etc. in the future - you have no idea what your bacteria / viruses etc. would do in that place and to future studies. But yet again the director / lindelof wants to shoot with helmets off to see there breath to make it feel more tense etc. etc. - forget reality and what would actually happen...it goes on and on the list of reasons that just would not happen...just hope they make it more real this time round because I know allot of people that wont go to see it if its not and it could mark the beginning of the end...

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I really didn't like the helmet thing but without it the vases would've never leaked and the story wouldn't work.
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David's ladder was not a plothole.
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Op That's a good point - but remember that the room was under pressure - when the door opened it shot out some gas and you could see the through the entire room a cloud of vapour running through as if the atmosphere in the tunnels was reacting with the atmosphere inside the ampule room. I don't think it was their breath - it was the temperature the content of the atmosphere remember that when david opened the door shaw and ford coughed. It wasn't very breath able inside the ampule room . Why ? More than likely because the ampules weren't sealed for transportation yet. The ampule room I believe was where the ampules were filled with broken down xeno virus and I believe the green crystal uses holographic technology to "beam" the virus out of the green crystal into the ampules. Afterwards they are sealed and then the atmosphere can't make them deliver their content. These vases were made to be dropped in the water supplies of a planet and then the water gets infected and all turns into xeno type creatures. So I believe the atmosphere in the ampule room had no oxygen - vapour - water - and was kept under pressure at a lower temperature to ensure that the contents doesn't become reactive. Once they are dropped their safety switch will be disarmed. That's probably why the engineers ran there as they were infected and the atmosphere inside would help slow the infection they had - my theory. So somewhere probably on the jugg one ampule probably wasn't sealed properly and got them infected- perha- nope that's enough.....
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I thought that the idea of David being able to read the hieroglyphs was answered when Shaw says, "Can you read what is says?" and David replies, "Perhaps?". So with good ol'David, that could mean anything?
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David very most likely could read, his perhaps could have been to throw Shaw etc off, remember David had his own Agenda. So who knows, maybe he could not translate everything but he would have gathered enough information to make a educated guess maybe? Meaning he may have roughly understood what he was doing. @oduodu Well it is interesting as to why they tried to get to that room, but we do not know enough about the lay out of the place, and so it could be that all the Ships are attached to that central area via corridors and these branch off from the center, so these passage ways each lead to a ship. If thats the case they could be running from one ship and trying to get to another in which case they may have had to get to the central room. But again as i dont have a exact map of the temple complex etc i could be just as wrong. In Spaights draft the Engineers was running towards the room where the Terra Forming was going on, i.e where Holloway took his Helmet off and these Engineers was trying to jump down that Well/Hole in order to commit suicide so they do not fall foul to the infection. Again we cant use everything in that draft to use as canon and the explanations to Prometheus.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maOhqZUNldk @Necronom 4. totally agree! 'Prometheus, if you're watching this FREAKSHOW, we are taking our helmets off. ;) @The1perfect organism I can see you took the trouble to read my topic. Thanks! As for Colonial Marines...I got bored after an hour playing the storyline. I really wanted to play as an alien in multiplayer. And as for Hick's return, pfff...don't know what to think, man. Gearbox and Randy Pitchfraud lied to us, showing a different trailer than the final product...they ffed up, and Prometheus didn't do the franchise much good either.
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Bigdave Yep. Certainly the ideas cannot be used as it is not established in the movie and we don't know what the fanbase would agree upon - therefore I can only show what the original intention was and that even lindelofs draft things weren't as ambiguous as this . Op Please read the spaihts and lindeloff drafts you'l see the only time outside of the ship they removed their helmets was on the juggernaut because it had an atmosphere and david informed them that the infection that got to holloway wasn't airborne. Then tou will see to how much trouble ridley fox brandywine (?????) Went to ensure that things pertinently didn't make sense and from the starbeast script it seems an unused idea when brousard takes of his helmet/mask after seeing the air was breath able. I implore you to so !!!!! You gonna save yourself a lot of trouble !!!! What was that ??? Albert einstein and me has something in common - poor grammar and spelling ???? LMFAO !!!!!!
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Bigdave But that is interesting though. Did the engineers run there to get broken up into the virus. Perhaps they went there as there may have been some of the original goo the sacrificail engineer drank and thereby committing suicide ???
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@Gimm-e; Nice song bro! Look at this: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0]Click Here[/url] I've watched it about 6 times now. I find it highly amusing! You've probably seen it though.

The poster was good though!

 

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[quote]I really didn't like the helmet thing but without it the vases would've never leaked and the story wouldn't work. [/quote] Not exactly the same, but I guess it's not much different from the first movie when Kane (and the Facehugger) returns to the ship, without that we have no monster on board.
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Shambs; Kane didn't take his helmet off

The poster was good though!

 

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Ahemm.....

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@oduodu Guess we will never know, its like i have said the Drafts give more insight and sometimes like with deleted scenes that explain or help us to interpret clues better.. Do we only go by what we see in the movie and have to scrap every bit of information from the drafts etc... Maybe the easiest explanation is the best, and that is as maybe there is a central part of the Temple which the Ampule room is part of, maybe this central area has branches of tunnels going to it and some of these each lead to a different ship bay and the other leads to the entrance to the caves etc. Then if they was running from something they would try to get to the ampule room because they could then maybe seal the place from within? These raises questions through and holes, as well surely they may have sealed it or if it was sealed then how did David open it from outside and if he could then surely other Engineers could who get locked out. Also if the basis is they was all infected then why did they want to get to that room, maybe getting to that room and then from there to the Juggernauts they are able to somehow prevent or slow down the infection, for example in Cryo Sleep. Maybe the Chest Bust Cryo Pods are just the Goo exploding from within...? Maybe the Last Engineer got to his chamber fastest and thus his infection was in early stages before he could have put stop to it. This would explain why he went postal and then went to carry on the mission knowing he is infected.. But again this poses a hole, as surely that would mean the Pilot Seat would contain or slow down the infection, because if not then we see it must not have been days for the outbreak to finish off those Engineers, maybe not even hours or even a hour. While we can assume at early stage of infection getting into Cryo Sleep may prevent rate of infection, surely flying the ship in Space Jockey suit would not? Well not long enough to reach Earth.... Which logically means the Last Engineer must have escaped the infection and outbreak.

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Or the last enigeer caused the outbreak, came there to kill them all and take out earth, maybe with others, maybe with his 'pets'.

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