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Plotholes? I think not.

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The1PerfectOrganism

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To answer some of the so called "plotholes" to begin with unanswered questions and things left up to speculation aren't plotholes. There is only one plothole in Prometheus and it's David's ladder which no-one seemed to gripe about anyway. Plotholes are contradictions within the Plot itself. For instance, one thing that is brought up often. Fitfield and Milburn getting lost. One- They can't use the map as it's connected to the digital map on the Prometheus vessel, which because of the storm outside they couldn't connect to, just like when they talked with Janek they kept cutting out transmission. Two- They had no-where to go so they can't be lost, they only had the option of either going outside (Into instant death)or go round in circles. Another may be the claim that the Black DNA manipulation liquid (BDML) is inconsistent, not true in the beginning it destroys life to create life (The premise of the film and the Alien series) it varies based upon the life-form and method but it's always done the same thing. There are a few inconsistencies such as gloves etc. But no major plot holes that any other film doesn't have, Alien has actually more plot holes than Prometheus. Also you must take into consideration that although it's based in a Science-Fiction setting, the Engineers and the like are very much fantasy. Oh and the DNA match, plenty of creatures on Earth have the same base DNA as us but the fact that the Engineer does that is provably from another planet but the link proves they come from us. And Holloway whenever he takes off his helmet sees the air is breathable, what he doesn't detect is the change in atmosphere it causes (This is why the Engineers wear helmets) releasing the BDML and the storm triggering the horrific events afterwards. If you need anymore questions answered, please reply, I am happy to answer. I feel this is a very underrated film due to people not sitting and thinking for a minute, hopefully in the future people will see this.
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Necronom 4, I know that ... but Im just saying common sense tells us that Kane should never return to the ship, but without that act Where is the Alien? Also people complain about everything related to the scientist, but Prometheus is not a hard science fiction film (with ancient astronauts?), neither was Alien. Alien was a horror masterpiece, but not a masterpiece of hard science fiction.
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And in Prometheus we have the issue of the outbreak, someone has to screw it up because without this, the story doesn't work ... or at least not with this new threat. With a threat of another kind who knows.
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Just on the twins? Androids? Could see Weyland using them as they are loyal to him/the company. I guess it feeds my fantasy of a mission within the mission.
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@Necronom 4, Yeah, I've seen that allright. You should also check out his videos about the star wars prequels. Those things were hilarious. :D The guys face on the right says it all really.
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@mirobot, I think that is a mistake in editing and also a flaw in the script (because in any case we could not see when one of them dies, even with the correct edition)
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I've seen the flick at least 50 times. At first I was only unamused by the religious rhetoric which is entirely unappreciated. By more and more, the 'plotholes' become credible I have to admit. The screenplay does not deliver clear motive or plausible ones that can be deduced from character dialogue. 1. Evolution is a fact so the idea that Engineers seeded Earth or that their DNA matches ours is preposterous. WE evolved from hominids going back several million years. This is indisputable. Those creatures evolved from still more going back hundreds of millions of years. How could a species seed an entire planet that it evolved on? Therefore, the second our DNA matches theirs in the movie, almost all possibilities collapse.  It could only make sense if the Engineers themselves evolved on Earth and left without a trace of a previous industrial revolution. Theres more to this theory but first Id like to debunk a fan theory that if carried out in the new film; I will cease being a fan or watching the film. That is the 'Jesus was an Engineer and when we killed him they got angry and decided to depopulate Earth' theory. This can be disproven easily. Jesus died approx. 30AD. The dead Engineer dated 2000 years old in the movie and it was stated in the beginning of the movie that the current year is 2091. So apparently we're to believe that 61 years after Jesus was killed, the Engineers finally prepare to depopulate Earth, perhaps just getting wind of that? It just doesn't follow, especially since their low tech human ship took 2 years to get to the planet. Why would the Engineers delay their attack over 60 years? They'd of done it in the first few years for sure. 60 is way too late, why not make it 600? 

The truth is, the film never gives indisputable evidence for the Engineers to have malice towards Earth. It's only guessed at by characters who themselves have no idea whats going on. So they were headed to Earth, so what? So they bio-weapons, so what? So one of them got angry when awoken from a 2000 year hypersleep, I'd be angry too. 

The plot of the new movie could easily put everyone to shame by showing that the Engineers, having evolved on Earth to the point of being able to genetically modify their own DNA had a civil war in which most the human race chose to go back to primitive ways and a portion of the human race chose to go starfaring as Ubermensch. There is no evidence on what the Engineers used the blackgoo for. There is no reason to assume they are not benevolent towards other hominids though the goo stuff has started a lot of trouble. Personally, I like my plot better because it makes more sense and doesnt ignore Evolution. The problem with Prometheous is the screenwriter. The director and actors were gold. The visuals and props were gold. The writer should be fired from ever writing a screenplay again. 

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Honestly, after years of rewatching this film. I maintain that the Engineers are good; or that any bad ones were a rebel Engineer group. The writer took a plot with awesome potential and completely ruined it by adding Christian overtones, ridiculous dialogue, and trying to be too clever or dramatic. As if written by a teen. Other things Ive grown to despise about Prometheous: Lost mapmakers, mohawk zombie, no boobs, FTL spacecraft travel (get real this is Science Fiction not Physics Fiction) no boobs again, religious bullcrap, young guy cast as a 100 year old man, running in straight-line, curiously stumbling upon the alien base that just happened to be vitally significant when it's obviously a tiny facility on a huge moon...and so much more. What made the movie rewatchable? Michael Fassbender and Naomi's alien abortion scene. That Idres Captain guy too is the bomb. I give up on sci fi though. They dissapoint everytime. Interstellar, which I love, is just as bad. New StarWars (SJW propaganda) and Startrek (overdone) arent even remotely engaging. The Martian was garbage...needed an alien, not fecal potatoes. They all blow. And all we have is retarded comic book movies.  I learned my lesson after blowing money to see Spectre aand Starwars 7...I skipped Batman vs Superman. I was right, another cash grab digital bashup with no real artistic writer or philosophy. Wanna see a good film, watch Solaris from 2002 or Under the Skin and contemplate the trouble that anthrpomorphication has had on our species. 

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"1. Evolution is a fact so the idea that Engineers seeded Earth or that their DNA matches ours is preposterous"

 

Well its logical about Evolution but maybe not 100% proven, but it certainly holds the most logical theory... compared to the creation Story especially Biblical One.

 

But we have to remember the movie is Sci-Fi where it can change Facts, its not trying to suggest in OUR Reality that Evolution did not create us as per Darwinism,  because the movie is also showing is it links to Xenomorph Aliens that well dont exist... (but we cant rule out life in the Galaxy).

 

 

"That is the 'Jesus was an Engineer and when we killed him they got angry and decided to depopulate Earth' theory. This can be disproven easily. Jesus died approx. 30AD. The dead Engineer dated 2000 years old"

 

If this is a way to disprove Engineers in Creation it also disprove Darwinism because if Jesus was real, then he is God incarnate and so Biblical account stands.....  But yes it could be that Jesus was a actual human, but if so surely his existence and connection to God is not just something made up.....  (thats if we assume Jesus was real).

 

"Why would the Engineers delay their attack over 60 years? They'd of done it in the first few years for sure."

 

This point is a great one, its one of the unknowns and a Question Shaw would want to know about....... Maybe all the Engineers are Gone.... maybe those that are left decide to just leave us to destroy ourselves or maybe a Covenant was reached that they agreed to not continue with our destruction.

 

You raise interesting points as yes the Engineers may not have been Malevolent towards us, the deleted scenes seem to show a more Benevolence to them.... but something had happened where to a Faction or the Whole Race... we had done or become something that went against their intentions and so we had to go.

 

Bit like how Terminator be like Mankind realised the Advancement of AI is getting out of hand and a Potential Terminator situation would happen.... So the Engineers may be doing, what John Connor was doing in the Terminator 3 Plot.... to stop Skynet before it got out of hands and the Rise of the Machines.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Thats not to have a pick at your post.. as i know those comments i highlighted  all led to the other part where you propose that Engineers Evolved on Earth.... This could work... but how would one set be more Advanced?  Unless Evolution happened with us at a much early time  and maybe Humans Created Engineers?  or what ever.... but a conflict happened and Engineers departed...  and left us Maybe a Covenant?

Or what if Engineers where Humans... Advanced, and one group set off to Seed a New World as they felt we was going to destroy ours and eventually this happened... but some survived....  but Humans who went to Space, somehow Evolved differently to adapt to a new Environment or came across something that helped them Evolve?

Its a Twist.... and maybe they found out Earth recovered....  but another War or Event left the Engineers or a Faction having o find a new Home and so they decide they want to go back to Earth... tried to get along but that never worked out and so they decided to destroy us?

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Your last Post Determinism, yes Spot on... the Potential was huge and a bit wasted..

As far as Engineers being Good.... i think they are neither Good or Evil, and how Benevolent or Malevolent they are depends which way they are seen...  Is Mankind on the whole Malevolent?  But then compared to how we look at and treat Chickens then we could be (to the Chicken)... if a Alien Race came to Earth and saw us as a Food Source then would that make them Malevolent?

Oh but we are not Chickens..... but who is to not say that a Alien Race could be so more Advanced that we can’t comprehend and to them we are not even at Ape Level.

I don’t think every Engineer or their Creators in the Galaxy are just Evil Big Bald Dudes who just create life for the fun of it, and then want to create something else for no Reason..

They cant be like a Kid playing with Lego and building and destroying Random creations... there has to be a reason... and so even if  maybe the Kid would like to keep his creations but he does not have enough Blocks to build more, or maybe the creation is not perfect and he has found a way to improve it and so some of his creations have to be completely dismantled or in part dismantled to Evolve it or Create something new.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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