PROMETHEUS 2 INTERVIEWS RIDLEY AND RAPACE

In a nutshell the only way this can make any sense is simply that there is some Ancient Race or Being,  that had created the Engineers or indeed are Engineers, and that a rebelious faction of Engineers must have taken the secrets and knowledge of creating life from these Godlike beings on Paradise and used it to create their own creations.

By doing so they had in essence Stolen the Fire of the Gods, and are thus Prometheus, and their punishment is they had fallen victim to tampering with the Secret to create Life by creating many things and one of those led to their down fall... the Xeno etc.

So Shaw will turn up on Paradise find some race or being, and it has to be that these beings or being have to not have any idea who Mankind is or was, this would explain why they never came back to finish us off.

The Engineers on LV 223 must have also somehow created the Bio Tech somehow and so maybe the Juggernaught crafts and the Cargo maybe be a supprise to the beings on Paradise, because surely the Race and the Hierarchy on Paradise if they know what the Juggernaughts are for and their Cargo would surely not let a Bio Weapon ship land on Paradise without some kind of procedure to protect them?

Thats the only thing that i can think of that fits in with Ridleys coments, so that Shaw wants her answers but sadly what they find can not give her any answers and what she finds instead is some race that created the Engineers, and that they may had been unaware of what some of the Engineers got upto.

Sorry for straying slightly off-topic, but did anyone actually read the interview in the SOURCE? I just can't find it at all in the Australian newspaper website.

Yes, sometimes the website locks down, so it's really hard to find sources. Anyway here's the full information about the sequel:

REEL Time spoke to Ridley Scott recently about his coming drama Exodus: Gods and Kings, which opens here in two weeks. More of that in The Weekend Australian’s Review section this Saturday. The British director, who turns 77 in two weeks, isn’t slowing down. He has already begun production on his next film, The Martian, starring Jessica Chastain and Kate Mara, and confirmed he plans the Prometheus sequel, starring Michael Fassbender, at the end of 2015. And his Blade Runner sequel is ready to move. “That’s written (and) it’s really good.” But his Prometheus sequel has him very excited because, he says, “it’s fresh” and “getting away from gods and dragons and shit. If I see one more dragon I’m going to shoot myself. Stop the dragons.” Rather than a dragon, Scott describes his original Alien as “the definitive dragon and he’s a motherf . . ker. The alien’s real which is why it’s probably one of the scariest monsters in film history,” Scott says. “So with Prometheus 2 what I’m trying to do is reintroduce a fresher form of alien in the third act.” The Prometheus “baby” alien was, he concedes, “awfully close to the alien” that tormented Sigourney Weaver. His next one promises to be very different.

Maybe Ridley Scott just wants to show us a new monster and that's it. What if Ridley Scott wants to make one last legendary horror film? before retiring. Just like Alien, only this time without xenomorphs lol

I don't know if the filmmakers will give us a great explanation on that. In fact we know absolutely nothing about the home planet of the Engineers.

That said the new monster might be:

1. David infecting God with Black Goo.

2. Black Goo infecting David.

3. An indigenous creature from Paradise.

4. Another of the creations of the Engineers.

5. Similar to the previous option; another type of DNA in the Urns stored in the cargo hold of the Juggernaut of Shaw and David.

6. Not quite a monster, but another Alien civilization which is physically speaking very different from Humans and Engineers.

7. A primary ancestor of the Xenomorph.

8.  God himself.

9. The source from which the Engineers get their precious Black Goo.The Black Goo is the blood of this creature, and it is what Engineers use to create life, as this blood can extract DNA from an infected being, to create something based on the infected life form (broadly is not very different from the nature of the Xenomoprh, which can birth from a dog with similar characteristics in its DNA).

Well, those are all possibilities that I can think of for now XD

i think s that ridley he will insipire from god is death by friedrich nietzshe!

Thanks, shambs.

You're welcome

@shambs..

I hope its not that case, Ridley and Fox have made a complete and utter balls up if you ask me,  We had Spaights draft that introduced various Xeno related Organisms...  We had Lindeloffs tonned down one with Hammerpedes (they was new) and the Deacon...

And it seems they just going to ingore any of that because well they are too close to the Xeno, and also we have some continuity problems as far as what becomes of LV 223 and its Temples and contents and the Deacon and Hammerpedes, as surely by Aliens the company sets up Hadleys Hope Colony and are after the Xeno and you have to ask why did they not go back to LV 223 instead....

This has to be covered, you cant leave something like that unexplained....

Then we have the Gods angle, they went the route that these Engineers are Gods, well created us, then we find out they are not from LV 223 but they come from Paradise and they played their hands in our creation, and maybe the Xeno or related Organisms and experiments and now all that is to be forgoten....

Ridley even hinted that David and Shaw are off to Paradise to find answers, and hinted they never wanted to meet god in the first movie which implies in Part 2 we find out who the Gods are or the creators of the Engineers.

Now maybe they are not going that route..?

They are going to give us something new and i guess thats ok and saves having to go back to the Xeno or any events related to Alien timeline and indeed the part of the Galaxy we live in which includes LV 223 and LV 426.

While thats interesting as far as giving us something new, i think it would be a massive DISAPOINTMENT to show us who these Engineers at the start of Prometheus was and their connection to the LV 223 Engineers, and why the last Engineer said he came from Paradise.

If we are going to concentrate more on some new Horror,  and not cover who these Engineers are, why they created us, what was they doing on LV 223 and what became of them not only on LV 223 but also Paradise, i think its a missed chance..

BOTTOM LINE... they had bitten off more than they could chew by showing us the Space Jockey Race was connected to these Engineers and that they are in effect who Ancient mankind saw as Gods, and who ultimately created us.

This is a massive scope, but a tricky subject to get right...

Maybe all along they should stuck with our Space Jockey being some Ancient Humanoid race who maybe created Bio Weapons or came across them, and these Space Jockeys may had been on their way to destroy us to maybe rape our planet for its resources, but left out that in no way they was the ones who created Mankind..

i.e they maybe should not have gone the Gods/Ancient Astronaught, route but now they opened that can of worms, i hope they are not going to just can it.. if you know what i mean....

ADDING TO IT....

Maybe if they want to not bother with the Gods, maybe they can show us some new kind of Species that created the Engineers or maybe the Engineers was a creation that got out of hand...

Or indeed that the Engineers etc on Paradise are all gone and replaced with some kind of new Horror...

That makes for a dull movie with David and Shaw, no Engineers or a few and no other humans involved.. i.e no sub plot to LV 223....

Oh Shambs thats based on the first comment you made about Ridley wants to maybe abandon all the Xeno and Engineers and our Gods/creators stuff in favour of something new...

As far as your bullet points, then yes hopefully one of those, but Ridley says fresh...

And looking at the script writters... i am going that they are going to show us that God is some kind of Machine, and maybe we gonna see a Space 2001 Meets the Matrix, kind of a plot....

Maybe like the Mountains of Madness..

I agree with BigDave.

There is no way in Hell they can ignore the Engineers. It'll be bad enough not to see what happens to the Deacon. I mean, of course there is a way they can ignore them, but that'd be ridiculous. The studio was trying to expand the 'Alien' universe and create some new stuff - and now they're going to abandon what they started? Makes no sense.

I like Shambs point about Scott wanting to produce something legendary. I personally see Prometheus as work in progress. It raised questions of course and left a lot of venues to be explored. Because of that and the full knowledge of accepting that Prometheus is part of a bigger project, I have never been prepared to either praise or condemn, but to accept Prometheus for what it is and what Scott originally stated. It is a movie that has a part 2, but can work as a cinematic piece on its own. Which it does.

Just to digress a moment, I recently watched all the series of Blakes 7 by Terry Nation, which is basically Star Trek on a budget. But what stands out about Blakes 7 is the character development and dialogue. Compelling dialogue can really make a film and Scott is more than capable of doing this, The Councelor being a prime example of this. I mention Blakes 7 simply because Terry Nation had a way of giving a detailed background to a Sci fi plot that could create not only good dialogue, but would cover a lot of ground. I think Scott is going to have to do this but with the advantage of knowing that he can produce on screen the images required.

There would appear to be some conflicting notions in what Rapace has aid and Scott regarding Gods and demons etc. I think there is something of a clue here. Rapace must have seen a script of some sorts, but that would not be the whole vision, which would be firmly in the hands of Scott. I’m going to go for a broad stroke here and it is my best guess.

I think Shaw will arrive at the home world of the Engineers and for some reason they will re-attach Davids head. David will then infect the homeworld with goo. The end result will be all manner of creatures evolving simply because the goo is chaotic in nature. This is where I feel a new alien will emerge that will become a focal point.

The derelict on LV 462 may be a way of saving something from the homeworld that up to now has been viewed as something used as a bioweapon.

I don’t think Scott has put himself into a corner with this project and there is plenty of scope to answer a lot and produce something legendary.

I like Shambs point about Scott wanting to produce something legendary. I personally see Prometheus as work in progress. It raised questions of course and left a lot of venues to be explored. Because of that and the full knowledge of accepting that Prometheus is part of a bigger project, I have never been prepared to either praise or condemn, but to accept Prometheus for what it is and what Scott originally stated. It is a movie that has a part 2, but can work as a cinematic piece on its own. Which it does.

Just to digress a moment, I recently watched all the series of Blakes 7 by Terry Nation, which is basically Star Trek on a budget. But what stands out about Blakes 7 is the character development and dialogue. Compelling dialogue can really make a film and Scott is more than capable of doing this, The Councelor being a prime example of this. I mention Blakes 7 simply because Terry Nation had a way of giving a detailed background to a Sci fi plot that could create not only good dialogue, but would cover a lot of ground. I think Scott is going to have to do this but with the advantage of knowing that he can produce on screen the images required.

There would appear to be some conflicting notions in what Rapace has aid and Scott regarding Gods and demons etc. I think there is something of a clue here. Rapace must have seen a script of some sorts, but that would not be the whole vision, which would be firmly in the hands of Scott. I’m going to go for a broad stroke here and it is my best guess.

I think Shaw will arrive at the home world of the Engineers and for some reason they will re-attach Davids head. David will then infect the homeworld with goo. The end result will be all manner of creatures evolving simply because the goo is chaotic in nature. This is where I feel a new alien will emerge that will become a focal point.

The derelict on LV 462 may be a way of saving something from the homeworld that up to now has been viewed as something used as a bioweapon.

I don’t think Scott has put himself into a corner with this project and there is plenty of scope to answer a lot and produce something legendary.

I don't think that Ridley Scott wants to ignore the Engineers. He claims to be tired of gods and dragons, but in the past Scott refers to them as dark angels.

As for the dragons, maybe Ridley is sick of having the animal-like-monster and maybe this time he wants an intelligent alien monster character.

Yes Batchpool, I believe that Prometheus is the prologue of an upcoming great movie. Although we could be wrong lol I hope not.

Yeah i was not trying to disagree with Shambs i was trying to disagree with hopefully Ridley is not going the route to ignore the Engineers...

Here are some interesting points...

1). Dragons... he refered to the Alien as such, he had said the purpose of changing things in Prometheus was that the Alien had been done to death, so they wanted to explore something new.  That was the Space Jockey/Engineers who they was and are.

He gave us that they are who mankind refered to as Gods via the Ancient Aliens plot, that these Engineers seeded life on Earth and visited man over and over giving us clues, maybe upgrading us as we Evolved and teaching us stuff.

But back to LV 223 and behind all that these Engineers i think he is showing us do a fair amount of Genetic Manipulation and not only created US, but a whole manner of other creatures most likely on other Worlds and that the Goo, at the very least in the Sacrifcial Scene is KEY to this.

So while the movie was littered with clues as to the Xeno links, as the Goo in those Urns, The Mural, the Frescos, the Mutations and infections via the Goo that inc Hammerpedes and Fifield (although tonned down compared to concept works) and lastly the result of Holloways infection leading to Shaws Baby Face Hugger Trillobite and Deacon Gran Child, all had links to the Xeno Genetically.

I think the idea was to show us that somehow via Genetic Engineer and that the Goo when used maybe on its own, or as a result of it with Organisms to produce a new Chemical, somehow plaid a part in the creation of something related to the Xeno.

Showing that what was in those Urns create something Xeno related, and that the Deacon is proof of this connection and that the Goo in the Urns is either what creates the Xeno or its Ancestor or was created from the Xeno or related Organism.

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In a nutshell he feels the Dragon is the Xeno related DNA, be that Alien in Alien, Aliens, or Hammerpedes, and Deacon... these are closely related to the Alien and are a subject he wishes to not cover.

This off course leaves a plot hole as far as LV 223 by 2094 has a Deacon on the lose, Hammerpedes and we have to assume Urns, even if the ones in that Temple are leaked are there others from other Temples.

The Comic Fire and Stone, shows us that this Goo comes into play and we see lifeforms and plant life infected in a way that passes on to a degree Xeno traits like we saw with the Hammerpedes.

2) Gods... Again covered some of this above, Ridley wanted to kind of show us clues that some how these Engineers and the experiments they conducted on LV 223 are connected to the Xeno, but he OPENED UP a whole new World of Possibilities when he went the route that these Engineers played a role in the creation of mankind and no doubt visitation of our race to teach and futher Evolve us. There is proof of this..

* Star Maps (across many ancient cultures depicted Giant Beings being worshiped as Gods).

* Language (David learnt PIE that he talked to the Engineer with, how did David learn that if it was not taught to mankind by Engineers at some point in the past).

* The timming of the failed mission to wipe us out 2000 years ago (Ridley teased the Jesus was a Emisary Angle, but i think his point was that these Engineers had got upset at how Mankind had turned out and how we behaved and they simply decided to pull the plug.

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To drop the God aspect, i think Ridley is maybe not going to cover or answer much of a connection to why the Engineers came to Earth and why they stopped. 

But surely these are the questions Shaw wants to ask....

The only other way to simply sugest, no more Gods... which his comment only sugested we wont see anything related to the Xeno, not even as tonned down as the Deacon.  Is that as Ridley has said a few times.

THE ENGINEERS.... are not Gods, they are merely a race that have some substance and knowledge to create life on Worlds, we have to assume that if the company had the Goo and especially in the form that the Sacrifcial Engineers had, and we had gained some knowledge of what it does..

Then we could become Gods, as far as seed and create life too. But does having the Engineers secrets to create life and knowledge how to use it make us God in the traditional sense... no it does not.

I think Ridley is going the route that their is no traditional God at all, or is he..?

He did say he did not wish to meet God in the first movie....!

Regarding the USS Prometheus incident I don't know. Do you think that could be an inconsistency? the crew died and the only survivor probably never return to Earth, and I'm not sure if the company had knowledge of this expedition.

Moreover, even if they know that, I really doubt that they will take the risk of spending a mountain of money to send another expedition. Maybe the Nostromo it's the intent of the company to find out what is hidden in the z reticuli system.

That said, I don't think this will generate a plot hole in the franchise.

3) God/Devil.... Again this continues from above post, Ridley seems to sugest our Engineers are not Gods, and by not meeting God in the first movie as for deleting the Elders Scenes, seems to imply that above the Engineers there is a hierarchy, what this is we cant be sure. But he refered to the Engineers as well Dark Angels, and Spaights refered to the Sacrifcial Scene as Good Angels and LV 223 ones as Fallen Angels. (or was Ridley who said Fallen and Spaights Dark). but you get the point.

He then also said that these God like beings Shaw is going to meet are not God, and they are not benevolent and he has mentioned the Engineers are Nasty, Agressive SOBs nicest way of putting it.

This could toy with Shaws God/Devil comment, in that indeed their is a Hierarchy above the Engineers, the proof is in what Ridley said inc not wanting to meet God so our Sacrifical Engineer and LV 223 ones are not God, they was refered to as Fallen and Dark Angels because well Angels are Gods first Creation, therefore there has to be another Race or Being that is above the Engineers and as the Engineers are considered Dark, this means their intentions are EVIL...  well to us that would be, but then look at the Animals we slaughter for Food and Medicines, does that make us EVIL?

So when they sugest God they mean a being at very least who created the Engineers if not maybe a race, and that in regards to Devil is to imply that this God, well creators of the Engineers is again not very nice at all and would appear EVIL to us.

The Fallen/Dark Angel and Devil context could also refer to the bible in some way taking away that God is Magical Being, but replacing it with that Fallen is simply Angels who rebelled, and Devil is their Leader in other words some being almost equal to God that has rebelled against him.

This could mean that we have a War between Engineers or their creators in which the EVIL ONES Won!

So what we will see is some Higher Herarchy above the Engineers, i.e creators of them or even Elders, and that the ones at the Top of this Herarchy  are Evil to a extent well certainly not Benevolent as Shaw would hope for, but are these beings/being always been Evil, or is the Hierarchy that once may had been Noble is no longer and replaced with a Malevolent Order.

THE BIG QUESTION....

who is to say we are talking that the BOSS/BOSSES of Paradise are even related to the Engineers, while i doubt they would be some Magical Being as Ridley wants to ditch the God aspect.... What we could see could be something different and i doubt we would see any Organism related to the Xeno/Mural in Prometheus not if he wants to avoid the Dragons..

But who can rule out that the God/Gods Shaw hopes to find are MACHINES or a MACHINE!

lol I had forgotten these comics

4) The Something Fresh!.... Ridley must be refering to a new Monster, and maybe not the Engineers or their creators.  He wants to create something new and Orginal and i dont think we can expect something related to the Xeno because he wants to get away from Dragons.

But what would be fresh? and are their one of these new Horrors?  And is this something new and Fresh going to come from...

* Something the Engineer Creators/Hierarchy has created to serve and protect.

* Something they created that has all but wiped out their World and is wandering Paradise.

* Something that is created as a consequence of David/Shaws actions.

I would go with maybe the latter as Ridley did hint that David was bringing Hell with him, he also pondered what would happen if the Goo infected God or a Machine.

This has to imply that what happens when the Goo infects the Engineers, if indeed the Top of the Hierarchy are physically related to the Engineers like the Elders was.

Or maybe if the Top of the Hierarchy is some being or race that is quite different to Humanoids.

What about the Machine element? Does this mean that David would infect himself to become something quite new?  and Fresh?  I doubt it because the Prometheus Comic Fire and Stone is going to show us what becomes of a Android infected with the Go.

So does the Machine imply GOD? is the creator of the Engineers and Goo a Machine..

But if so how does this get infected with its own creation? Not saying it cant...

AND FINALLY.....DRAGONS...

Ridley wants to leave the Dragons, well we see LV 223 Temple that had those Urns in had Mural, that inc a Xeno like Organis, two kinds of Face Hugger (early Giger Concepts from Alien) the Frescos that showed a Xeno related Organsim and Engineer, and maybe this Organism or a Xeno holding a Xeno Egg.  Then we saw the Hammerpedes and Deacon that all had tha Xeno DNA look

sorry but we have to assume that if Shaw and Davids Juggernaught is carrying a Cargo that contains the same stuff as in the LV 223 Temple, well if this is used on Engineers or related Race, or even one thats a bit more none Humanoid the results would not be to far from the DRAGON/XENO

There is no reason why the Juggernaught carries Urns that carry a different DNA soup,  as there was more Temples, but we have to ask what happend to the Engineers in them.

They abondoned some Juggernaughts, did they all go to the one Temple and why? if the other Temples maybe had no outbreak or horrors...

Well hopefully all these Answers we shall get once Prometheus Part 2 is out...

THE BIG QUESTION... like the Space Jockey in Alien is... are they going to leave what becomes of LV 223 alone? as surely there has to be nothing left by the time of Aliens in 2179?

(Not as far as the Comic)