PROMETHEUS 2 INTERVIEWS RIDLEY AND RAPACE

On second thought, who knows, maybe something about the Deacon and LV-223 will be shown in Prometheus 2. This project is at a very early stage of development, so we must take the words of Ridley Scott with some skepticism.

It's possible the beings that created the Engineers don't know the location of Earth, and want that information so they can destroy it. I get the impression that the last Engineer was actually on his way to deliver an upgrade, and the urgency was to do so before their masters found Earth. And , that the presence of Shaw etc. in their encampment suggested to him that the crisis was already in motion.

Yes, he murdered almost everybody, but that doesn't mean he wasn't invested in the advancement of the Human race as a whole. At a certain level, they could view all humans as lab assets and nothing more, resources for a higher goal. 'God is cruel' and all that. Again, I suggest that we are ultimately slated to become self reproducing versions of them. I don't think there are females in their culture, I think they were grown to perform tasks that their masters didn't wish to be faced with.

And then they got too big for their britches. Too smart, too much autonomy, and just enough understanding of exotic powers to wield them to their own designs. Just like us. I think Weyland's going on about Gods tells us a lot about the moral of the story. So yes, no real gods, and perhaps there aren't any to be had, just mortal beings seeking to become gods.

And there's plenty of room for hellish, lethal biology and diabolical intentions in the next installment, regardless of where the story goes. There doesn't have to be an actual monster, if you want Giger influence it could be had without even mimicking his visual style, just the dark, inhuman hopelessness so many of his images depict would turn the trick nicely.

Prometheus was different for many reasons, and one of them was that it was no longer a monster story, unless you're willing to view David as the monster. I think P2 should be embraced with the same sort of open mind that the first required. I am personally stoked.

The only thing i can think of is Ridley wants to go some other route with Part 2, he did say that the end of the movie has two paths one leads to Alien the other to something new and this is what he wants to follow and that is what is Paradise etc..

Problem with this is we have to look at a few facts as such..

*In Alien the company had some idea of the signal and the Organism, Ash had a secret mission to  get the crew or at least one of them infected and bring back a specimen.  By Aliens it appears again some of the company would have been aware of the Signal on LV 426 and the disapearence of the Nostromo and Special Order 937 and how come this was a failure.

Ok maybe they could miss something?  But the company records would have known about USCSS Prometheus mission to the point of what system it was going to.   Would they ever infestigate its disapearence?

Surely if LV 426 and LV 223 was in the same sector of space, which the Comic now goes futher to say they are in the same Star System, even around the same Planet... and Ridley and Fox Green Lighted the Comic as far as what it can and cant cover.

Even if we ignore the Comic,  LV 426 and LV 223 are in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system which would mean surely even if Nostromo missed it, by Aliens the company or vessels sent to LV 426 would surely had known how close the site of Prometheus failed mission was to LV 426.

* Then we have Shaws SOS? surely as above if LV 426 and LV 223 are in Zeta 2 then by time of Aliens at least, they should have came across the SOS.

I can only think in doing so would have made them send down a mission, and this would have gone up in smoke leading logically to the destruction of LV 223 thus leaving the only remaints of any chance to get their hands on the Engineers Tech and Bio Weapons would be LV 426 hence send the Nostromo in....

But maybe the comic is showing us LV 223 is all and well and actually habitable by time of Alien Resurection.

So why was clonning Ridley the only last hope of getting the Bio Weapon Xeno, let alone Engineers Tech when after Prometheus their are more than one Engineer Ship left on LV 223.

so yes i think it has to be covered...

Unless a 3rd movie would be doing that.

Ridley could have done LV 223 and not have to show us Xenos,  they could show us the Hammerpedes carrying Worm DNA can procreate differently to the Xeno and maybe creates something different...

Or even the Deacon maybe it can procreate in a way that leads to a offspring that would produce something more Human DNA than Xeno.... Maybe the keys to its procreation and reproductive cycle and some clues on LV 223 that are vaguley translated by a Android could give us clues to undestand the xeno connection without seeing a single traditional Face Huger or Xeno in sight.

@Major Noob, yes some interesting points and i have covered some if not all before and indeed the Hierarchy on Paradise may not know of Earth, lets look at reasons why no more Engineers came?

* could Paradise not be aware of us, was we a creation using their secrets by a sect of Engineers who wanted to play Gods with thier hierarchy's secrets to creation?

* could Paradise think we was destroyed, was some sabotage done to prevent our destruction and the saboteur contacted Paradise to inform them that we had been destroyed or upgraded. But then surely they would send someone from Paradise to check?

*could Paradise be a place of destruction and that the remnants of their culture is in total destructions, or only a few are left that do not see, comming to us to destroy us as vital anymore.

* could Paradise have had enough of us, and seen numerous attempts to destroy us (Eggs and then Urns or Vice Versa) and the cost to the Engineers lives as being to much of a risk and they simply chose to ignore us and leave us to our own downward path to destruction, thinking that (arrogantly) without the Engineers help Mankind would remain primative and not be able to travel the Stars and pose any threat anyway.

No doubt no soon as Shaw turns up with David, that would change their minds and they would realise not only had we advanced but we have got to their homeworld on board one of their ships and thus must know the location of LV 223 and that mankind must be destroyed for sure.

either scenerio apart from the one, would surely see the Engineers wanting to destroy us, but i think David would do something that in effect wipes them all out....

And i hoped once they was done, Shaw would go back to LV 223 to destroy that place too, maybe sacrificing her self in the process. These are the ideas that i had for my draft i was working on for Part 2 and 3 and what i hoped.

And after Shaw feels she has stopped the theat by destruction of Paradise and LV 223, what she does not know is that David is aware of the LV 426 signal and what is there and passes the info onto the company and hense = Alien and Special Order 937

@ Major Noob

Also about the Upgrade.... one must first destroy to create..

I think these Engineers created us for a purpose, they maybe could not procreate like we can and they can clone themselves but maybe they was looking for another way... What ever reason they created us, they came back to us the taught us stuff because the movie goes the route of the Ancient Astronaughts and that all the Ancient cultures interpretations of Gods was just their interpretations and contact with the Engineers.

The Sacrifical Scene was not a quick A-Z creation of Mankind, and the Engineers took a lot of bother to visit us over and over..

Something changed... they or a sect of them may have fallen out of love with us, we had fallen out of favour with them...

The Engineers seed their DNA via the Sacrifical Scene beacuse their DNA is maybe Pure... Perfect?

And the process was to create something near Perfect in their image and thats MANKIND

What if at somepoint these Engineers or a few had come into contact with some Organism, or experiemented on some Organsim or even created from scratch some Organism, that infected a Engineer i.e the First Face Huger maybe seeing a Engineer create life via other means, and seeing a kind of pregnancy resulting in a Engineer giving Birth to new Life was something these Engineers or a Fraction saw as being Special,  they wondered over this event of a way the Engineers can give Birth to a Organism.

Maybe this was the Frist Deacon? Or maybe the first result they saw potential and futher experiemented creating many Face Hugers untill finally one of them produced the Deacon in the Mural.

THIS IS PERFECTION

They worshiped its Perfection, and they then felt that instead of using their DNA (Engineers) to seed life, they now found that the Deacons DNA was more PERFECTION.

So they reweaponized it to use on Earth to upgrade us with the Decon DNA stored in the Urns the same way the Sacrifical Scene showed us the Engineer seed Earth with his DNA.

This is where the to create one must first destroy comment fits in...

They had forgon their creators, or method of Perfection (The Big Head) as now there was something more Perfect to use (The Mural Deacon).

Thats  how i see all that lol

So i still go the idea that at some point and we may never know how and when, these Engineers had came across something they borrowed their Bio Tech from and this Organism or Culture is also what lead to the Xeno...  They maybe engineered stuff they come across that they see as being aupgrade to what they have pretty much like the BORG in Star Trek.

Only they started to try and re-engineer or  created something that they then carried out experients on that proved their down fall.

Or even if at some point a faction created the Bio-Tech but some other experiements created something else related to the Bio Tech...

As we dont see any in the Sacrifical or Elders Scene and the Seed Shaped craft at the start compared to the LV 223 Engineers Bio-Tech and Ships that have a Xeno connection.

I say this because if the Xeno comes from and is related to the Engineers Bio Tech and they have it on Paradise how do we avoid showing anything that is related to the Dragons Ridley wants to avoid?

Did they simply try messing about with X and Y too much and create Hell.....

Be a bit like if our Scientists ever discovered a way Ebola can be Merged with Flu, and that also this new Desease is also able to be spread via Mosquitos like Malaria.

So these Insects can bite and pass on the disease to Humans and Mammals who then can pass it on via body fluids or even air born via Flu like Symptoms...

If Mankind created a Hybrid like that well kiss good bye to at least 33% or the Worlds Population.

What if the Morb is an object of worship because it is the first birthing from an Engineer? And the Engineers are not horrified, but enchanted that they could create life from within themselves. All this via exposure to the goo. Maybe that is the seed from which a religion is born. And with that, arrogance (the big head) and over reaching.

I personally get the feel (at least hope) that Prometheus has no canonical connection to anything but Alien. Ridley could get away with that, and he may rather his story not be handcuffed to other people's ideas, and the boundaries they would create. Also, the comics from what I've seen are covering so much about what happens later on LV223 that it feels like a safe bet that those events won't be depicted on the screen.

Or, Ridley won't worry about connections there, either (given some of what I've seen so far, and the eventual appearance of a Predator coming up, I hope he doesn't) and perhaps he just wants to be satisfied that any special ideas he has for the movie aren't depicted in the comic books, and that is the extent of his involvement?

I just somehow can't imagine a lot of energy being spent on assuring continuity with, say, Resurrection. Or any of the others, really. Why force a great story into that template when you could just move away from it altogether? If I was Ridley, and I saw an opportunity to take the reigns and reset the story, and aesthetic of the Alien universe, I would. Go for it dude.

Yep i was pretty much on similar thoughts, maybe not the as you put it MORB as in Alien, but something that maybe came before it or prehapse something that came as a result of it and the Engineers, that allowed them to give birth to life as such.

This would be the Deacon in the Mural, there are however so many potential problems with the Alien Time Line as far as what becomes of LV 223 after Prometheus and by Alien Resurection that surely it can not be ignored and hopefully a 3rd movie could cover that and close the door on it..

Like i was thinking of for my plot ideas, that first Shaw meets God/Gods that are not God/Gods then she or David puts a end to them, and then they set off to destroy LV 223 but as i said Shaw would think she has done her job and Mankind is safe from the threat of these Engineers their creators and creations...

Only she does not know about LV 426 but David or the company do...

We have to think about the cast too, surely David and Shaw off to Paradise is just 2 characters, how many Engineers or other beings would be played? 

There us huge scope here because these Engineers are shown that they could have created more than just life on Earth,  and we are not the only Inteligent life created as a result of the Engineers.

And the Predators Fire and Stone Comic shows us this...

I can't lie, I have the hope that the new monster may have some resemblance to the suit that the Engineers use to fly their ships.

Bigdave

certainly saying that we are moving away from the alien to investigate the engineers

to another alien creature ???

so they are steering away from the alien to steer to another alien creature ?? what about the engineers now ??

as you said we wont be meeting god in the first movie 

so.....

so will that happen in p3 ??

so even without lindelof in the mix more confusion.........

WTF ???

anyways lindelofs draft was okay . it seems someone else cut it to shreds ??

not very nice little peter !!!!! not very nice at all !!!!

LOL !!!

so what now ???

will be seeing more of the engineers ??? that was the thing everone was so excited about okay ???

eish !!!!!!

what next !!!

If Ridley does not want to play up the God angle (which is fine with me) then I agree that he can easily just not call them gods and have them (the Engineers) or their creaators be beings who no how to manipulate DNA and create life. I also agree that there are plenty of ways for Ridley to go and how to go about it and it could indeed (hopefully) be very epic. 

It is a little saddening to hear that he does not really intend to do anything with the deacon at all. I undestand, but my suggestion would to just show another post credits or just after the fact scene of the deacon doing sometinhg on lv223.

Now I am really excited about the next movie thinkning about meeting any type of God or creature higher than the egnineers. Hell, even a different ethnicity of engineer or whatever may be in store for Shaw and David in Paradise. It is hard to imagine something greater than humans' imagination. That is the level that Ridley would want (I assume) or maybe just the level I want. He wants a new monster, but not anything like the Xeno or what has been seen too often. So there is going to be an absolutely amazing creature wiating for them there...

when David and shaw get the ship to leave do they even have to go into a dome? Ships are off somewhere else. 

I think  the engineers have to be in it, at first fitting the parts of god but realising they are anything but. Maybe the god is the god particle, just floating somewhere, and somethings trying to attack it. I also have a belief that the eggs in alien 1 are the last ones after David and shaw are on a mission to rid the galaxy of the goos affiliates. 

What at about that  alien in the mural that is holding the egg, looks to be he's just ate the content of the egg. Engineers  maybe have no choice but to release there goo creations  in warfare, or could indeed be another race trying to stop them infectiing god.  Possibilites are endless 

Prometheus could be shaw,David and an engineer on one last mission to go back and destroy LV with the goo and the deacon on,  David is killed in the process,after doing so they intend to go back to paradise or earth but the ship crash landed as the engineer had been exposed

to the goo, he turns to evil instinct and is just about to get out of the chair to try to kill shaw ( she is in hypersleep) a face hugger  comes out of nowhere  and latches on, shaw is left in hypersleep therefore after.

I don't know if this is very reliable, however:

Scott was asked what the creature looked like and its nature, and the director replied that the composition is very close to the 1979 Alien creature.

'Prometheus 2' spoilers, release date rumors: Director Ridley Scott spills major character details

@shambs, I think they are misquoting there.  Here is what was written in the original article from The Australian...

He concedes the creature at the end of "Prometheus" was "awfully close to the alien," however he plans to step further away from that with the follow-up: "With 'Prometheus 2' what I'm trying to do is reintroduce a fresher form of alien in the third act.”

With 'Prometheus 2' what I'm trying to do is reintroduce a fresher form of alien in the third act

what exactly does he mean by third act ?

the 3rd installment of prometheus or the 3rd part of the movie ??

Based on how he formed the statement, I'm fairly certain he means the third act of the movie, 'Prometheus 2' (not the third act, ie, 3rd movie in a trilogy).  Otherwise, Ridley Scott doesn't understand proper sentence structure... or he could have been drinking. :-)

thanks

so then we can be fairly sure that the new and fresh alien will not be on earth and that it is somewhere on a different planet and shaw and david will probably encounter it.

if not

then i assume that at the very least it must be on lv 223.

that could mean a mission from weyland to lv 223 .

or else

on the ship david and shaw is on.

so what happened to the engineers ?

will everyone just die like they did in prometheus and the whole franchise ??

Msybe when David and shaw suit up they can get access to all of the engineers data, like video feedback like the see in the pyramid.

Watching alien again and seeing the random hole that leads to the egg chambers, I get the feeling the fossilized Engineer didn't know what was in the cargo and went to check it out. Also I noticed the woman said " Wheres the rest of the crew insinuating that there were more than one, so some shit went down.  Could be that they've been stitched up

This shows how we cant take anything we here on the internet as Gospel, because the previous interview posts seem just a edit of what Ridley said in that latest one, basically there must have been a Interview and then different sites are posting quotes from that Interview in a Edited fashion so we just cant be sure what really was said in the Original Interview.

My Point being look what path both these lead us down yet they apear to be based off the same Interview.

http://www.scified.com/site/prometheusmovies/ridley-scott-says-prometheus-2-gets-away-from-gods-and-dragons

http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/article/prometheus-2-spoilers-release-date-rumors-ridley-scott-27317#ixzz3KDRLdoYB

So until we see the full Interview we just can not be sure what Ridley means as the first Edited one seems to imply the THIRD ACT...

As in he felt the Creature from the 3rd Act in Prometheus was too close to the Alien... Which leads us down the path that what he meant by Fresh is something that is unlike the Deacon, and the Alien.

But the 2nd Edited Interview seems to hint the 3rd Act as in by the time we see the 3rd Act we shall be shown something a bit fresh and new..... yet also hints it would be like the Original Gigers Alien... so how fresh really is that..

Does 3rd act mean 3 part of the 2nd movie...? Does it mean there will be 3 Parts to Prometheus Franchise or that Prometheus + Paradise + Alien are the 3 movies thus 3rd act is Paradise.

We just cant be sure....