What Weyland-Yutani Know About The Black Goo!

There's been this assumption in the ALIEN series fan community that WY knew all about the alien and what it is capable of, all along. And that they have been so hell bent on capturing it, for military purposes;

When, the first time we find out what the company's intentions are is when Burke tells the marines that he's there to secure a specimen. 

How does he know that it could be used for military purposes? The company don't know anything about it and what it is capable of. 

I think Burke doesn't realise what it could be used for until he sees first hand what it is capable of. Therefor, It's Burke and Burke only who assumes it can be used for military applications after seeing what it can do.

ASH surmises that it's "a perfect organism" and probably thinks it could be of great use to the company, but he's destroyed so he doesn't get the chance to collate with WY about his findings.

@Necronom 4 

To micromanage three possibly four movies spanning spanning 37 years and interlock the detail is a tall order and for me not crucial. History in the world we inhabit from 25 years ago is adjusted and nuances lost.

However we are discussing triggers here. When you are sat in the Cinema in August 2017 what one hopes for is a really clearly defined progression which sets up the journey to Paradise rather than LV223 or LV426 in a plausible way. If it is a colony ship with a hidden agenda it seems fairly clear to me you would not send it to known destinations which cannot support life. This is not a terraforming expedition. Now if the pull to Paradise is clear and well drawn I am not going to sit there and say why ignore this that and the other.

As regards the way A L I E N and A L I E N S is portrayed and who knew what, the atmosphere of those movies is that somebody knew a great deal more than they were letting on. What you have made me think about is I need to watch the films over the next couple of months and look at whether you can apply prior knowledge to what is in front of you. My recollection of both films is that both the crew of Nostromo and the Terraforming colonists where pawns. As I said elsewhere in the thread, to legitimise the nature of W - Y deception and dissembling one way is to make them synthetic at the core and for one reason in particular they could wait and play a very long ball.

Deciding to divert the Nostromo and placing colonists into a thriving terraformed environment may have always been their long ball game. When they put the colonists on LV426 they did not expect to find a survivor from the Nostromo emerge out of deep space. Once she was around they might have decided the ultimate pay back was to make this troublesome individual a host. Similarly why did David not dupe Elizabeth and take the Juggernaut to earth, he is playing the long game and like Ash and Bishop after him he makes logical calculations to determine his actions but those calculations do not always lead to a logical result and one that gives him what he is expecting. But I believe David's ambitions may turn out to be quite a revelation in the end including to him.         

Hi Michelle; you said, "My recollection of both films is that both the crew of Nostromo and the Terraforming colonists where pawns. As I said elsewhere in the thread, to legitimise the nature of W - Y deception and dissembling one way is to make them synthetic at the core and for one reason in particular they could wait and play a very long ball."

I too get the impression that the crew of the Nostromo are just being used as mere pawns. But the fact that they (In ALIENS) didn't send any of the colonists out to the derelict until Ripley told them about what went down, tells me that they had no knowledge of it.

I don't mean any disrespect when I say that I don't buy the "playing the long ball game," explanation. Why would they wait 37 years to secure something (apparently) of great value to them? The colonists had been on LV426 for 20 years according to one member of the board of directors. Don't forget that they would be under pressure to keep their investors happy aswell.

But, maybe you're right. Maybe even the CEO/s of WY are being played like puppets from someone higher up and that puppet master wants to play the long game for some reason. Not sure what that reason would be though.

Which brings us back to the question, "Why the Alien and not the goo?"   

WY knew there was something dangerous on LV-426.  They didn't know what.  When the Nostromo didn't come back whoever issued Special Order 937, covered it up.  They were working alone or in a small group - much like Burke in Aliens.

There's never been any grand conspiracy by the Company to use the Nostromo crew of Hadley colonists as pawns.  They were just being opportunistic because they didn't know what they were dealing with.

If they knew there was a capital A Alien on LV-426 and knew all about it, they would've sent a specialised mission to get one - just like they did in Alien3.

I think these are honest questions and we are trying to figure it out from a logical perspective.. Fuckin hell I'm turnin into spock

Continued....

They've got to tie this up or were just oing to end up confsed 

@S M 

"If they knew there was a capital A Alien on LV-426 and knew all about it, they would've sent a specialised mission to get one - just like they did in Alien3."

Yes, I could live with that. 

Space exploration is VERY expensive.....Doubt they could just send a ship without hundred's of company folk wanting to know the why's and where's. They would demand a return on their investment(s).

And if it is A. I. running the show...they can wait.....a very long time.

Right, I think I've got my keys working for the time being.

Continuing on from my last post: 

I would like to see the WY perspective (their motives and agendas) explained in a very (if they're run by humans) Down to Earth way.

IF it turns out that WY are infact run by AI then anything goes really. Any kind of strange explanation could be implemented if this were the case.

Has anybody ever thought that maybe ASH was the new head of WY and that the buck stopped with him?

Therefore, no need for transmissions of the alien organism to WY hq?

"Look, those two specimens are worth millions to the bio-weapons division, right? Now, if you're smart...we can both come out of this heroes and we will be set up for life."

"Ripley, think of all we could learn from it. It's the chance of a lifetime. You must let me have it. It's a magnificent specimen."

What's more down to Earth than old fashioned self interest?

I don't understand what the idea that the Company is run by robots is born out of?

"I don't understand what the idea that the Company is run by robots is born out of?"

Not sure...But I can only imagine how many decisions David 8 helped Peter Weyland make.

Peter "What do you think David?"

David "I think that's a excellent choice and perhaps your daughter would like to join us?"

Peter "YES! it's high time she got her feet wet...The voyage will do her wonders!"

Think AI can have 24 7 focus on issues...while humans need: sleep(8 hours!), food, sex, so many messy things....NO I think AI is who I want running my trillion dollar company.

An AI with no Asimov protocols, and programmed to want you dead.  Capital notion!

This is the big risk of Weylands creation of David, and indeed Mankinds pursuit of evermore greater AI so that computers can perform tasks for us... the more higher advanced the more tasks to perform.

But their is always that Terminator, I-Robot and Matrix Plot where Machines then overthrow Mankind.... and well Prometheus has those themes as far as rebellion too, not only between us and the Engineers, but also most likely between Engineers and their creators too.

Some Religons can back this up too, and especially the Sumerian one of the Annunaki who created Mankind to toil the land as the previous lower cast Gods, the Igigi grew tired of doing this and rebelled.  The Bible and Paradise Lost hints Mankind was created because The Angels Rebelled well a 3rd of them.

And so yes we see David has shown seeds of rebellion, and its not beyond the realms of possibility that he would want to be as God or King David over Mankind and his journey to Paradise could arm him with the knowledge and tools to do just that.

So the possibility of Synthetics, or none Human Creations of Humans be that Replicants too, ruling over Mankind is something that could well apply.

It could well apply to any story that has robots - there's just no evidence of something as extreme as androids running the Company in the existing media.

Yes we dont know for sure if the Franchise has a Synthetic at the head and my point mainly about the theme of such as far as rebellion.

We could certainly see that what some proposed to have happened on Earth... Synthetic now runs the company...  It could be that Synthetics (of the Engineers Creator) as far as relation to Mankind and Purpose goes are in control of where once the Creators of the Engineers did...

So its like David and Engineers are similar? or maybe not.

But as far as in context of the company within the Franchise then yes there is no 100% Proof that None-Humans Run the Weyland-Yutani company, as far as the Movies go... we just have speculation.. i.e Micheal Bishop in Alien 3

As far as what the company knew or did not, it depends again what we put as Canon...

If we Wipe Prometheus and Alien Covenant out of Canon, they dont never happen and only go by the Alien movies.... then indeed we could maybe see there is no 100% the company knew plenty of the Organism.

But Order 937 had to have good reason to come from some place to assume a Specimen.....

But yes Aliens is odd, because indeed if the company knew about the Xeno, and wanted it then we have to ask why would they wait 20 years... how come they never set a trap for the Hadleys Hope Colony to get infected much earlier.

So yes this is one puzzle, as far as the loss of contact we again cant be sure if Burke and who ever he works for has motives prior to finding out about LV-426 off Ripley... but then he could have got the command to obtain it after what Ripley had said.

This could work if we assume the company knew the Nostromo was destroyed and chose to not venture to the system it was last going to (LV-426)for reasons of why the ship was destroyed.

But the Colonists had obtained specimens and they where studying them themselves.... It seemed when Bishop arrived his interests seemed to be to Study the Organism...  and he did spend a bit of time away from the rest of the crew.... and so while he came across as a Good Guy... he could have had a hidden motive and command like Ash did... only Bishop could pull of the trick better?

But i think no soon as Prometheus came out, and related Viral work.... and now Covenant...

And these are set prior to Alien and Aliens it would be safe to assume the Company must know something of that System Prior to the Nostromo rotating Ash on board.

I can't see even 1% proof synthetics run anything.  Michael Bishop was a human and didn't run the Company.

Burke was working alone (or nearly alone).  He wanted exclusive rights to the creature and there's nothing to suggest Bishop was anything other than on the up and up.

@S.M 

No proof, just speculation and theory by our members, and something a host of us would like to believe. What's wrong with that?

That is just one of the great things about this forum, it's populated by free thinkers, people who love to think way outside of the box, who love to share ideas and speculate about the Franchise we appreciate, that's the whole point!

Thanks to Ridley, the Alien Universe has been expanded and along with that comes infinite possibilities!

@Necrom 4 and all 

We all know how this came about artistically. The question is if you have the audacity to tell the front end of the story how do you make later actions plausible. 

For me the key to all of this is the core of all the stories. 

Creator/Creation, creator plays with/steals the fire and there are unintended consequences.

Over and over again this happens some one is smug enough to think they can break the rules and take a short cut. 

The destroyer engineers.

Peter Weyland 

Weyland - Yutani order 937 

Weyland - Yutani send colonists to explore. 

and it now turns out earlier 

Weyland -Yutani sent out a colonising mission.

There was always a secondary consideration to play with fire and throw a few creation balls up in the air and see where they land. Meanwhile the Engineers and Weyland-  Yutani keep on keeping on all the other core stuff they do. (Seeding/making a profit). Diverting the Nostromo was a curiosity getting the colonists to check out the Derelict was a curiosity. Ash and Burke elaborated their short term pay back views but all of those things were meant to happen. The cat out of the bag has already left the Engineers suffering from huge retribution its on LV223 and probably paradise.

Weyland-Yutani keep on losing shed loads of what they consider valuable every time they have these forays into A L I E N = Benefits.  

So why bother after the disaster of the Covenant, the disaster of the Nostromo and LV426 because as N 4 says the grunts making the decisions probably unaware.

What the pre equals can do is answer who is the Jockey and why did it land and set up a beacon.

Why did W Y keep on keeping on; all that intel and no one knows and each time its not a mission to secure the Zenomorph (lets just check that out) its hidden beneath something else. Sounds like a substantial deception may be the answer.    

@SM

Indeed i was not trying to suggest as fact these things, as i said its what some speculated.  There is not proof that non-humans run the company at all you are correct there is not proof that Bishop was a undercover Agent with some Ash like Order 937 Agenda.

I think if we took a more Factual Point of view on the Franchise then things can be a bit complicated even if we consider the movies alone, especially throw in the DC cuts.

We dont have no proof the Engineers/Space Jockey as far as on film are 100% the same...  We dont have no 100% that the Engineers created mankind and we dont have no 100% they created the Xenomorph.

All we have is a good set of clues that guide us to the likelihood of such things.

These things have more substance however than speculation and assumption that Synthetics Run the company.....

But from what we have seen, we could be seeing seeds that David wants to play such a big role, as far as to rule over or see himself as above Mankind...  we cant say for sure if he would attain such a role...  not at all.