One major thing that Cameron left out in ALIENS

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Finding out about Ash and W-Y would be number 1 on my list. They started this whole mess.

I think the whole hearing with the committee does leave a lot to be desired, but Ripley does mention that they were sent there(LV426), on company orders. I think the main point which undermines Ripley's defence is the lack of evidence of a xenomorph. Without that the company has just gone into complete denial.

Ash is certainly implied.while having breakfast on the Sulaco,Burke dismisses Ash's behavior as being a malfunction so if was definitely brought up somewhere.Also Ripley did say that the Nostromo set down on LV_426 on company orders.,so she did kinda point this blame at them

Unfortunately, Ripley had no proof. 

Also, LV 426 was colonized during that point which further discredits her story.

Indeed Foxxy_User

Many of those points are true, especially that Ripley had no proof, and in reality, no power. And although the film does have references which imply that Ripley probably did give a thorough report on what happened... my main point is that she doesn't seem to be driving the central blame onto Weyland-Yutani enough. It just seems more logical to me that any person in her situation would be trying furiously to indict the company. 

Even though she does say that they were sent there on company orders, she doesn't follow that sentence with the fact that they were secret orders, with strong indications of serious corporate malfeasance.

Okay. Maybe the company is too powerful and they control the law enforcement agencies. Maybe she has tried to expose them, but to no avail. Maybe she's done everything in her power, but she's been stonewalled and silenced.

But the film doesn't show that, or really even suggest that. All it shows is Ripley's story being downplayed and brushed off by Weyland-Yutani's investigative commission. It's such a serious situation, I don't think Ripley, or anyone for that matter, would let it go so easily.

She KNEW that someone within the company knew more than they were admitting, and she also knew that the company had disregarded their lives.

 You're correct Cmutt about all that.I hope you didn't think I was crapping on your thread,it wasn't my intention if so 

No, I didn't think that at all. I like reading everyone else's thought and opinions. It's all more food for thought.

In the Director's cut/Special Edition version, there is an extended court/council scene in which there seems to be more discussion.  http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/aliens/deleted-scenes/  Van Leeuwen mentions there was no evidence on the creature on the lifeboat and Ripley responds by blowing out in space (Theater release as well).  Also, remember this is 57 years later and the company has a whole bunch of new leadership.  Yes, Burke is a plant and perhaps he knows something with Van Leeuwen that is not mentioned.  But with no proof and the Nostromo blown into bits with no recording (Alien:Isolation confirms the lack of a recording).  That is something that a screenplay likes to have, so the audience can discuss and speculate.

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I’m not sure if anyone could totally verify this, but the crew of the Nostromo said they were all contracted out for the job they were doing. This could open up a different avenue of exploration, but what if the crew were agency staff ? Weyland-Yutani  may have been the company that owned the Nostromo, but for the purposes of hiring and firing, just like many companies today, agency staff are used. This creates lots of legal loopholes when things go wrong, because it is hard to establish blame. In the case of a hearing such as Ripley’s the emphasis was on her self destructing the ship and being able to justify that. As sole survivor, the fate of the rest of the crew is down to only her testimony, and the reason she has given is that an alien was responsible. We know that after the hearing she was being psycho-analysed. Looking at the whole hearing, I would say Ripley’s greatest challenge would be proving she was sane and not some psychopath responsible for killing the crew, and then putting it all down to being caused by an alien. Making accusations about Ash and at this point, and pointing to questionable company orders could appear to be minor details in comparison.

Given the whole background to the hearing, I find the most surprising thing is that no criminal charges were made. I think that fact paints a different picture. Surely a company that has to explain dead crew members, loss of property and cargo would be looking for pressing charges. Unless of course that they have something to hide and would try to avoid a deep investigation.

"When they were questioning her judgement and her whole story, she should have have easily snapped back with, "Hey, YOU should know... YOU are the ones who sent us there, and YOU are the ones who programmed Ash with secret orders to bring back the alien, and ordered our crew expendable.""

The Company weren't running the inquiry - the ICC were.

And as others have said, it's pretty well covered in the film.  Ripley said they set down on Company orders, and anyone who issued that order is long retired or even dead.

In Aliens, followed the inquisition Carter orders Hadley's Hope to investigate the co-ordinates Ripley gave for the derelict Engineer craft. After the Jorden's fell foul to the Facehuggers they found the colony will have no doubt contacted Burke. It is also highly likely that Burke was assigned to be Ripleys liasion from somebody aware of, if not responsible for Special Order 937. And it is also highly likely that Burke and those that assigned him to Ripley witnessed security camera footage of Hadley's Hope being subjugated by the Xenomorphs.

This infers, if not states that there is a clear conspiracy at the executive levels of Weyland-Yutani to acquire a Xenomorph Specimen, which is further highlighted by the USS Patna in Alien 3 which originally states that it is a week away, but after receiving the scan of the Queen Embryo in Ripleys Chest is "suddenly" capable of arriving within hours.

 Aliens actually added something.

In Alien, there is nothing about special order 937 that implies the company knew about the existence of the Alien before the crew. Literally all it says is "insure the return organism for analysis. All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable". Given that this order comes chronologically after Dallas's death, it makes more sense that this was the company's reaction to the events on the ship. Like "it kills people? O.o yes, want." Ash didn't know about the order all along, but simply learned about the order before anyone else because he had been the only one conversing with MUTHUR after Dallas died, and kept it a secret because he knew nobody else would be cool with "crew expendable". 

Nowhere in Alien is it stated or, in my opinion, even implied that the Nostromo was sent to get the Alien. It's not until Aliens, where Ripley says "we were sent there on company orders to get this thing, which destroyed my crew and your expensive ship" that the company having nefarious intent from the start becomes a plot device.

So actually, it was Cameron who retconned the story. The scene makes more sense if you watch it as if there was no conspiracy in Alien. That explains a lot of the weird plot holes, like the company not knowing what the hell she's talking about or being stupid enough to have a colony on the same planet they sent the Nostromo to and not once deciding to investigate until 57 years later. Personally, I think Ripley saying "company orders to get this thing" was actually a mistake, and was she was actually try to get across was "we were sent there on company orders (because it's part of our contract to investigate signals) to get this thing to the company" or something. Or just careless writing. 

Anyway, that's just my take on it. Hard to really tell, although with the way things are going with the prequels, it'd be pretty hard for them to not know. But also strange that they wouldn't already have their own since their boy David is manufacturing xenos already, lol.

Some good and interesting points... although a few may be splitting hairs a bit. 

If the ICC was handling the investigation, it's probably a sure bet that W-Y has considerable influence in the ICC. (speculative... but history supports it)

Van Leeuwen tells Ripley, and I'm paraphrasing, "The company has had settlers there for some time now... It's what we call a shake and bake colony."

Now, I don't know if that means he works for W-Y, or if he just represents them, but it seems clear that he and one of the other committee members were at the very least, siding for W-Y.

And perhaps all of that speculation does prove nothing. 

But one thing we do know is this... W-Y knew what they were doing when they decided to send the Nostromo and it's crew to LV 426, and they hid the true mission from Dallas and the crew. W-Y knew what they were doing when they replaced the normal science officer with Ash at their last stop. The company knew what it was doing when it issued special order 937, known only to Muther and Ash. W-Y knew it was a warning, they knew there was a life form, and they knew they wanted it... at all cost.

I guess all I was getting at, is that it seemed to me like Ripley would have wanted to dig a lot deeper.

ALIEN and ALIENS has told us some of what W-Y knew, Prometheus told us more... and I hope the future prequels will fill us in on just how much, and what else they knew.

"It is also highly likely that Burke was assigned to be Ripleys liasion from somebody aware of, if not responsible for Special Order 937. "

That's not "likely" - it's supposition.

"And it is also highly likely that Burke and those that assigned him to Ripley witnessed security camera footage of Hadley's Hope being subjugated by the Xenomorphs."

That's also not "likely".  They lost contact with the colony which is repeated two more times during the film.

"This infers, if not states that there is a clear conspiracy at the executive levels of Weyland-Yutani to acquire a Xenomorph Specimen, which is further highlighted by the USS Patna in Alien 3 which originally states that it is a week away, but after receiving the scan of the Queen Embryo in Ripleys Chest is "suddenly" capable of arriving within hours."

Andrews said the ship would arrive "inside of a week", then a message was later received to say the rescue team was expedited.  As for the grand conspiracy - why did the Company do nothing for 57 years?  Especially when they had a colony within driving distance for over 20 of those years?

'Clear'? 'Stated'? I don't see how.

(Also, the Patna was not a military ship so no USS designation).

Burkes assignment to Ripley is stated in his opening scene. While it is possible Burke was an opportunist who happened across one of WY's dirty little secrets from 57 years prior, the corporate conspiracy elements of Alien together with Prometheus and Covenant, and the assignment of the (not USS) Patna suggest that acquisition of the Xenomorph was an ongoing and active mission of WY.    

IMO the (not USS) Patna was shadowing the USS Sulaco to LV-426 where the marines, Burke, and Ripley were sent to die. When Ripley screwed up their plans they boarded the Sulaco using eggs that had survived the thermonuclear blast of Hadley's Hopes atmosphere processor.

Outside of my speculation, the colonists were there on LV-426 for twenty years and never discovered the derelict. In the movie it is only stated that WY supplies the colonists with the Atmosphere Processors, the colonists themselves likely are not employees of the company like the Nostromo crew was, but representatives of the ECA (Extrasolar Colonial Administration).

It is my belief that WY was unaware of the Nostromo's destruction, and due to the sensitive and incriminating nature of SO 937 opted to exercise patience in the hope that the vessel would someday drift back into their hands. Yes, a somewhat lacklustre attitude, but how else can explain the 57 year inactivity - it is the only hole in the WY/LV-426 conspiracy theory.

S.M : Interesting point about the 57 years, I've often wondered about that too.

Maybe Cameron never considered a deeper plot, and he was fine with starting his whole story on the basis that after the Nostromo was destroyed, that particular division of W-Y had no more information to go on, or no more leads to pursue. So finding Ripley opened up that dormant can of worms, and any new W-Y reps would have to have access to, and dig into the old secret files and data banks for the companies whole history involving the xeno's, the Nostromo, etc.

Maybe some new laws and regulations prevented them from sending expeditions to specifically search for alien life forms, and/or maybe new regulations had been established which required W-Y to find new, inventive, and accidental ways for foreign organisms or life forms to be transported, or brought home. Thus, contamination and quarantine of their own employees.

I never thought the company would have left it alone once the Nostromo and crew had disappeared. I imagine they would have had their secret department analyze all of the data, and then sent another team to LV 426. If they didn't... they must have had a damn good reason to bury the project for 57 years.

I mean, who knows why they didn't send any other teams out during those 57 years. I guess only Cameron can answer that. Or maybe Ridley too.

The staff at Hadley have WY logos on their name badges, and the logo is everywhere. WY staff are also sending them directives from Earth.  It's fair to say they were on WY's payroll.

How did eggs survive the blast and why would the Company be so sloppy as to let them loose on another ship?

The big conspiracy theory that the Company has been trying to get their hands on Aliens for decades is solely reliant on the Company being monumentally incompetent.

"S.M : Interesting point about the 57 years, I've often wondered about that too."

It's a major hole in any conspiracy theory that no theorist has been able to explain.

"If they didn't... they must have had a damn good reason to bury the project for 57 years."

Not wanting to face criminal charges for issuing orders deeming their crew to expendable I imagine. The Nostromo re-routing was just a fishing expedition.  It would've remained buried for a lot longer had Ripley not showed up.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I imagine they would explain it, if they were to ever tread that topic again.

The writers and directors probably never thought that all of these intricate details would ever be so heavily explored, or scrutinized. So maybe they didn't see any reason or need to be very thorough about the details.

I bought the "ALIEN Omnibus", which is the 1st three novelizations by Alan Dean Foster, in one book, waay back around 1994, and in Hong Kong of all places.

Although I think he did a very nice job with the novelizations of the 1st three films, I did find that there were a few glaring plot holes and discrepancies. And I'm sure some of them, if not all, had nothing to do with him. He was inheriting the final drafts of screenplays and finished versions of the films, so he was trying to complete the puzzle with some non-fitting pieces.

Again, it sure would be nice if Ridley takes the extra effort to explore and explain away some of the existing holes in the stories. Hopefully Blomkamp too, if he ever gets to do his movie.