Final Box Office Is Now In....Not good...

It's still ahead of it's biggest contender, so I don't get what you're trying to say here. 

And you got it the other way around, this franchise doesn't deserve people like you!

The beast is cooked

Haha, nah man, not by a long shot. Go marvel some more at the 'engineers'. They almost destroyed this franchise single-handedly.

@Snake I loved the engineers and Prometheus and loved Covenant so there are lots of others who also love both films too..

@Snake, the biggest contender was Guardians of The Galaxy 2 that had a two week head start at the box office.  Covenant is going to get bumped in only one week.  Bad word of mouth hindered its box office.  I do not know why this has the same percentage as Prometheus in positive critic reviews.

Jem587, I understand you liked both films, but the SJ should have been more gigeresque imo, and not just a bodybuilder in a suit... It looked too familiar to be frightened by it. But, to each their own. Glad you liked the first film. Wish I could have been more forgiving at the time...

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"It's still ahead of it's biggest contender, so I don't get what you're trying to say here. "

You DID read the article correct? It vastly underperformed. Keep repeating to yourself "It did not bring in as much as ALIEN VS PREDATOR" 

"And you got it the other way around, this franchise doesn't deserve people like you!"

Is this Ridley's Mom? lol

@Snake if you hated PROMETHEUS how in the world do love ALIEN: COVENANT which is a Prometheus sequel? 

At the heart of it, the movie company is most at fault. After all, they allowed the franchise to be diluted by dark nonsense like "ALIEN 3" and "4"....then allowed it further to decay into pure childishness ("ALIEN VS PREDATOR").....people had had enough.

They cared only about money so all but ruined the franchise.

When Scott came back after all this time he ...I suppose....tried to take it into a new direction. But in so doing, ruined everything. It's neither here nor there....not intellectual, not scary. Not anything. It's a 50/50 bar.

They should have gotten great writers, capable of writing memorable lines as in the first two films, and kept the shocks going. 

Because that is what made it famous, and that's what people want from it. Imagine if the James Bond movies, or Mission Impossible films, or Jurassic Park films suddenly introduced heavy philosophy and BIG MEANING into their franchise. "Lets get rid of a lot these women in this Bond film, and no more fast cars or cool weapons under his sleeve. Let's talk about Bond's childhood, and his personal religious beliefs." The audience would stay away in droves.

Now they come back, having "learned their lesson" and the moviemakers make a new Bond film, with girls back in it, and the other trademark stuff, but they STILL flashback to his youth and his religious beliefs, trying to have it both ways. They are right where Scott is now.

I respect that fact that many (though not enough) find this whole engineer thing as wonderful as can be, the truth is, on Friday night with your date, the last thing you want to see is a ten minute sequence with two guys playing flute. 

This film will tank further each weekend. But Ridley should understand...you know....survival of the fittest.

Oceantracks, please refrain from insulting me personally, it's childish and I'll tear you a new one if I have to.

Jem587, because I love the first three films. At least Covenant is trying to clean up all the mess, and I'm stunned by the fact that AC seems to be connecting all the dots. I honestly thought there was no way out after Prometheus, which is a god-awful film! Even Ridley regrets making it.

"Oceantracks, please refrain from insulting me personally, it's childish and I'll tear you a new one if I have to."

No you started that, re read the thread.... and I'm shaking in my boots lol

Just took a look around, and FOX seems pretty pleased with how well Covenant is doing, and that's all that matters in regards to future films being greenlit.

Keep in mind, they KNOW that ALIEN based movies are NOT for everyone, and take the long-plan in regards to viewing the earnings of it.
Thing is, it makes far more money offscreen than on, and the films are what drive that effect.

@BlackGooDrinker It would be so crazy if Ridley comes forward now and say. "You see? I was right. the beast is cooked". He just failed to bring the beast back properly.

@Blackwinter...

Well I'm not sure you're going to find them admitting they are displeased with it not performing as predicted (45 million they thought). And with "Pirates" and others coming I'm afraid they are in for a long wait. Get that DVD Directors Cut ready!

 Then tell me how you would have done it Joylitt. Can't wait for your response.

Snake I think people can tell when entertainment gets cynical. The introduction of the xenomorph is a half assed one. I would have been ok even with a washout copy of the original. But an original spin on the xenomorph race would have been better, an expanded mythology which does not include AI intervention.

I don't think so. David, an android we created to reflect our own image, turns against us and creates the deadliest weapon in the galaxy to destroy us all. We are responsible for the creation of the xeno, so ain't that a cool thought? We think we're gods but we will ultimately destroy ourselves by our own creativity and lack of respect for higher forces.

It seems like Scott can't even speak intelligently about the franchise anymore:

(for those who missed it...he seems truly lost in space here:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_hxDACD54s

Who's to say 'the gods' didn't wipe themselves out in the same manner mankind threatens it's own existence? ;)

as for the Franchise, the real money is and has always been in Post-Theatre markets. That's where ALIEN franchise has historically always done the best and makes a considerably large and ongoing revenue stream for FOX.

Snake Honestly, I don't think it is a cool idea. This concept makes the whole outer space setting rather irrelevant. Yet another sci-fi movie falling in the anthropocentric pitfall. I respect your opinion however I don't think it is shared by the majority.

Blackwinter-witch Well it can always be rebooted. Resident Evil barely ended and it is being rebooted already.

"Well it can always be rebooted. Resident Evil barely ended and it is being rebooted already."

Long as it isn't "David vs Predator" fine by me!

oceantracks Yay! Get David out of the Alien franchise. The predators can have him lol

That's your opinion not mine. I can't see what's wrong with that. 

They do a reboot, they better not screw it up.
The Star Trek reboot I stuck with until they started following the same sub-moronic nonsense they were doing before.

"Oh, gee, I'm too lazy to script out a proper space battle, so let's just have an OVER-ARCHING VILLIAN SHIP make such a battle moot and use the Sitting-Duck story element...again just like we always did in the Next Gen tv series. Yeah, the fans will love it!! Especially if we destroy the ship...again!!"

I saw ST: Beyond, and that was where I broke off and away from Star Wreck.

SO, if they do a reboot, I'll give it a chance, but only one.

NO second chances.

Anyway, don't we have Terminator already?

AC has already made over $117,000,000. It has covered its budget and some. Over the next few weeks everything is just profit. I think there is some way to go yet.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=alienparadiselost.htm

Blackwinter-witch I didn't like Beyond neither. I like the weird stuff, intelligent energy lifeforms, Jonathan Swift inspired social commentary, not The fast and the Furious in Space!

Terminator...I've seen that movie a 1000 times and if you are happy with a fake Schwarzenegger-head 50 min. into the movie, fine by me. It looks dated as ****. Can't believe you guys. 

Sad to see it didn't do well. I didn't expect it to break the bank or anything, but it was at least eye candy enough to go see it on the big screen.

I think it's still "salvageable". Connect the strings back to where they were (Jockey, Derelict, Eggs ect.) story-wise. The existing lore has enough for a "Lord of the Rings in Space".

You want mystery? Fine, use the Drukathi. Just dont waste them like the Engineers with an overabundance of undertone or "deeper meaning".

A few things to consider from a casual Alien fan, but also someone who has yet to see the movie. I've been following and studying box office grosses for awhile and I don't think there's a reason to hit the panic button just yet.

Alien: Covenant, according to BOM, had a budget of $97 million. That's certainly in its favor. The movie will only need to make somewhere between $194 million to $242 million worldwide to break even. (Somewhere between that gap covers all the advertising costs, theater cuts, distribution, overseas cuts, etc.) After that (and it's always safer to hope it gets past $242 million) it will start making profit.

The movie is currently at $117.8 million and doing quite well overseas. It has also yet to open in three other territories. One is China which isn't always dependable in terms of saving movies, (see: Power Rangers) but due to how massive it is, it's worth holding out hope for.

Another thing to consider is that this is still an R-rated movie. The idea that every R-rated franchise film will make the money that Logan and Deadpool did is an illusion. Those two movies are exceptions, not the rule. The fact that Covenant beat out a massively popular, commercial friendly, PG-13 Marvel film is a big win. If the movie has legs it could maintain a solid #3 position for Memorial Day weekend only falling to new releases Pirates of the Caribbean and Baywatch. If not it might slide to #4 due to the more family friendly nature of Guardians of the Galaxy for Memorial Day family goers.

Regardless, if we average lower than what Prometheus made on weekdays in 2012, by this Thursday Covenant should still be beating around the $50 million mark domestically. That would prime it to top $60 million after the weekend. Given how competitive summers are these days, that's really not bad for a nearly 40-year-old, R-rated franchise. Even if that sounds bad to some, consider that almost 70% of the $404 million from Prometheus's box office was made overseas.

Alien vs. Predator just isn't a very good comparison. It was a PG-13 movie released in a decade with far less competition. Considering it was an audience friendly event film, the movie merely did okay its first weekend. However, by Monday it had already slipped into irrelevance. In contrast, Prometheus did much better than Alien vs. Predator on its first Monday and had stronger legs going in to the following weekend--Especially considering it was an R-rated film.

It's too easy to play the comparison game without context. You have to consider all of the variables. Alien: Covenant isn't a bomb yet and it has plenty of time and territories to make up ground.

Again, this comes from a casual fan who has yet to even see the movie. (And as of this writing isn't entirely sure when or if he'll get to.)

G. H. (Gman) Jeez Gman... if a staff member is not going to support this film in the movie theater it means all hope is lost.

Seven paragraphs explaining why all hope is not lost and paragraph eight's mention of a single person struggling to see the film torpedoes the whole argument?

Man, if I knew I was this important I would've charged studios to let me watch their films long ago.

befor i start i want to say I did enjoy prometheus not initialy but after a bit it grew on me, covenant i feel the same m first viewing i was a bit disappointed mainly in the run time it needed to be longer and more developed, but after my second vieing i found i liked it quite a lot especially the setting/ visuals and creature design for the neo and the new protomorph. 

my biggest issue is with the AI and by extension Humanity being responsible for the "Alien".. that undermines the themes and concepts put forth by the first film and the prometheus film. if the bigchap or "alien" was intended to be the most literaly alien thing we could come across in the deepest parts of space, it illustrated the universal horror of the unknown void and how vast the galaxy was that in all our time in space the first interaction with this creature wiped out the whole crew and was completely "alien" to us. a beautiful creature of horror and un told history in the void, but if david is the creator than it reduces the threat to that of a small one off population of genetic frankenstein mutants not "aliens" while they still look alien the themes from the film and the purpose of there existence would be diminished. 

the ever presant and ancient dangor of the alien would now be gone.

that would be like changing the terminators from AI who took over and saying "oh it was really a human brain powering skynet" the movies theme of being carful when messing with AI" would vanish and now its just " dont put a human brain in control of war machines it may be evil."

While the concept of david creating his own life is cool and a dark story it could have been done by simply having him trying to recreate the xeno/ big chap from things he read of the engineers and puts his own spin on it making the neomorph. and the themes of both these films would stick just fine. 

but gain i liked both prequel films. my current ranking is:

Alien 1979, alien 3, covenant, aliens,prometheus, resurrected and I could care less for the AVP films. 

my only reason for aliens being lower in my list is how it reduced the horror and made the aliens into space bugs.

G. H. (Gman) I was just pulling your leg. However the more people watches the film, the more tarnished the Alien legacy will get. Have you seen the reviews on imdb? or the audience score at rotten tomatoes? (63% and dropping) The next installment, it it happens, will see at least a 40% decrease in box office returns.

Jeri.theSOB "that would be like changing the terminators from AI who took over and saying "oh it was really a human brain powering skynet" 

Exactly good analogy. That is way I don't care for the direction the Alien franchise is taking. It's like telling you: remember that alien that used to haunt your dreams?. It was not an alien after all. It is just just a genetic experiment created by a computer that even has your own DNA in it. And wherever you travel throughout the universe you will just find familiar stuff like wheat. And John Denver. Come on! Is there anything remotely "alien" left in all this at all?

joylitt exactly, its odd im finding im more frightened and interested in the neomorphs now since they are technically more "Alien" than the original since they were a product of the unknown back goo and its creation of mutant pods. 

joylitt

What really put me off was after 3 films, zero space battles where the Enterprise gets to strut.
Classic ST, space battles weren't every episode, but the Enterprise did quite well accounting for herself when they came up.

Nowadays it's all...well Fast & Furious in space (as you said) with a sitting-duck target as the main story vehicle.
They lost me when they killed the Enterprise, again.
In the ST reboot, the Kelvin vs Narada was a much better and longer space battle than anything Enterprise has seen.

As for ST Discovery, I'd rather pour ground glass and bleach in my eyes than watch it.