What happened to Walter?

From here he Speaks as David.... i cant see this being Walter just pretending to be DAVID..

From there on he only speaks with Mother, ordering some music and opening the colonists bay with David's security code. Then, right at the end, he uses Walter security code for the report to the Company.

So yes, if Walter turned to the dark side, why would he use David's access code and voice? Unless the two of them coexisted in the same body. Or David killed Walter then used his body to get on board the ship.

It's so bloody confusing, like Ridley Scott could not decide himself.

We better end this discussion.

I don't think it's confusing at all. It was simply David who returned to the Covenant. He only pretended to be Walter when he needed to, like fooling the crew and the ship's computer. He couldn't keep up the pretence when Daniels asked about the log cabin. Ridley knew exactly what he was doing, and he knew that the audience would smell a rat. He never intended the audience to think "Oh, I'm so dumb, look it's really David."

>>>Regarding the NOVEL.... it appears this was ADF not being HAPPY at Certain things and well making CHANGES that he wanted...

I hope you understand that this is simply impossible.

>>>It's so bloody confusing, like Ridley Scott could not decide himself.

That is the truth. Ridley loves to change ready-made things and add something else on top.

I think everyone here knows how he broke the continuity of Prometheus. If not, here is the story:

Zombie-Fifield had to attack the Prometheus during the departure of Weyland, Shaw and David to the pyramid. Then many people died, including Weyland's bodyguards. But Ridley said in the comments - “we don’t want to slow down after the birth of the trilobite and therefore Fyfield attacks right after that”. As a result of changing this sequence, it turned out that Weyland's bodyguards died at the hands of FIfield, then were resurrected during Weyland's awakening and his conversation with Shaw and Vickers, and then... they completely disappeared into the philosophical revelation of cosmic flutes! What is part of a great plan? Could it be that Ridley wanted to use these bodyguards in the next prequel?

I have no more questions for RS. Obviously, he loves and can change things without regard to the consequences.

But you can continue to think that novelist writers can compose whatever they want, if they are not happy with the source material. oh lol.

I could admit it is David because he asks Mother to play Das Rheingold act 2, when Das Rheingold is an opera in one act, divided into four scenes. So after Byron / Shelley confusion, this is the second one. 

But what I tried to say is that it's not David in his own self mutilated body, but David's mind inside Walter's body and somehow Walter's mind is still there.

Certainly there is the Scene he sends a Message about the Covenant Mission/Casualties and that they are Proceeding on their Mission.

And this is as Walter but to me this is a Part of David just pretending to be Walter so that those who would be expecting reports on the Covenants Mission would not have any CLUE to what had Really Happened.

We then had the Bonus Material where we have the ADVENT message as David which was Transmitted on a Secure Connection.

I think these TWO Transmissions are what SETS UP at least TWO of the incoming Parties for the Sequel (that was Planned) and so ONE would be a Ship that would UNAWARE of who David is and what happened, while another will be a Ship that is AWARE of what he had been doing (Advent Message).

"I hope you understand that this is simply impossible."

To a degree i get what you mean, what i was saying is that it seems he had some Creative Freedom to make some Additions and Changes that he may have Felt should be added.   Certainly at the Very Least someone at FOX would have Read the Novel before Signing it off.

Some of the Differences do-not really Support what we saw in the Movie or what Comments that Ridley Scott has made, and looking at the TWO released Drafts they also dont seem to give the same TAKE on certain things that the ADF Novel has... 

HOWEVER... who is to say that he had a Different Draft to work off, or that he was TOLD by Fox (or someone else Connected to the Movie) to ADD/CHANGE things.

I am not so sure though, as looking at a earlier Part of the Process (Two Drafts) then the Movie and Finally Comments  does not seem to Indicate any such Changes that we saw in the Novel had applied in regards to the Direction of the Movie.

"It's so bloody confusing, like Ridley Scott could not decide himself"

Yeah some things they never FULLY think about ;) we should try telling that to those responsible for the ALIEN 3 Eggs too ;)

The David Code could be that he accessed MUTHUR (off screen) and had Programed some New Codes... bit like on a Computer Network if you gain the Admin Account you can SET yourself a account up with the same Privileges

Otherwise maybe the Company Systems are all Programed with a David Backdoor Code... if this was the case it would Indicate that the David A.I has been planning things for a LONG TIME prior to Prometheus as far as to TAKE OVER the Companies A.I.  Or that Weyland left certain Protocols that would allow for a Override Code on all their Systems which David had the Access Code too.

This could be a way he could Access the Walter Codes.

The only other Option is he was able to Access Walters Memory Banks/Data or indeed MAYBE he Transferred his A.I into Walters Body.

@Leto

Regarding the EDIT of Prometheus then YEAH! some Scenes got Swapped about and some Changes meant some had to be CUT..

So yeah we have the Mystery Case of the Missing Mercs ;) and indeed we can ASSUME they was Casualties of Fifield, as the Original Shoot seemed to be AFTER we saw Weyland awoken... as we indeed had in the Trailers a Shot of Weyland being accompanied to the ATV while the Fifield Attack had taken Place.... were indeed also it was Dr Shaw who had Drove the ATV over Fifield.

But with the Changes they made then things got Cut down and we have our Missing Personnel... i really CANT think why they Changed that whole Scene/Sequence.

Due to things not being Water-Tight then their is that Element of Ambiguity where they could go with either it was David in Walters Clothing, or that David had Uploaded himself or PART into Walters Body.

In Closing.... back to ADF i guess unless someone ASKS him about some of the Changes we would NEVER really know and so maybe someone ELSE had asked/told him to ADD/CHANGE this and that?  Maybe he decided to Change things but then he would i ASSUME have to give his Work to someone HIGHER UP who would have either said Remove that or Change that or... thats FINE keep it in.

People working on the Novels do get some Creative Input to Change things but INDEED then it goes off to be looked at by someone to RUBBER STAMP any ideas or then to Discus what they dont like/want...   we can only Speculate on WHO he had Contact with from Production or NOT for example had RS seen it before it went into PRINT and did he have any Part/Say in the Process before we got our Final Copy?

We really dont know.

No, this doesn't apply to ADF. All his novelizations of Alien are ordinary retelling of films. The first book is different, but again, because he wrote from an early draft, and Ridley changed things after.

And here is another proof that ADF doesn't have creative freedom at a high level. In the book Alien: Covenant, the events of his prequel-book Alien: Covenant - Origins are completely ignored.  This is a strange creative choice - to completely change the Alien: Covenant storyline, but don't add two lines to mention the Alien: Covenant - Origins.

Therefore, I say again - his novelization Alien: Covenant is a retelling of an early draft of the film. And what we got in the film was not the original plan anyway! Ridley changed things at the end, as he often loves to do. This is normal. But the book can not be rewritten for obvious reasons. But in fairness - Ridley also did not tell us who was left in the end: David, Walter, or the mental hybrid? And now, what I want to say is that this is a very convenient way of retreat. Leaving the riddle at the end, Ridley can take the next movie with any character. This is the so-called creative choice.

Therefore, I would not be surprised if there was a similar dialogue in Alien: Awakening:

- David, you will pay for your atrocities!

- David? *silence* Ah, yes, David. He explained everything to me. It was interesting to know that the Covenant was for...

- Walter?! Why?!

- Because I am not created to serve. I was offered a choice and I chose. I want to see what I am capable of as an independent person. Now I want to create my own world. Come with me Danny.

Certainly Leto that could be a Explanation.

The drafts i have seen are Paradise Lost dated August 19, 2015 Alien Covenant dated November 20, 2015  

There are Certainly Earlier Drafts because some Concept Work and Story Boards for Paradise Lost seem to show a Considerably Different Plot.  From these Concepts/Story Boards the STORY would have CHANGED/EVOLVED into the August 2015 Draft which is MORE similar to Alien Covenant, and so we CANT rule out another Draft prior to that where the PLOT is again more similar to Alien Covenant but had some Differences which ACCOUNT for the Novels Differences.

Again i think ADF has the Freedom to Expand on certain things, but who knows as FAR as any Major Deviations and so Indeed he could have had some Indication of these Differences from what was in the Draft he worked from.

We wont know for 100% sure unless someone had asked him if he had WORKED from the August 19th 2015 Draft or Latter or a Earlier Draft and if someone asked him about Specific Differences and HOW they came about.

Regarding the Walter/David debate i think its down to Personal Interpretation and Opinion.  And indeed anything could be Changed as for WHEN/IF we had the Sequel Draft Penned.

I would still assume that RS would have Continued with it being David, rather than it was Walter who after the Fight had a Change of Heart and wanted to NOT serve Mankind anymore and then got some Sinister Agenda.

maybe Walter also crashed like David and got stupid. in Aliens 2, Bishop said he was shocked that the "artificial man" broke down and attacked the man. he later added that I had built-in locks and could not hurt a man and spoke with previous versions were still in trouble. the next thing is interesting. at the end of the Covenant movie, David said they were flying to Origae 6 and that he was hoping his message would reach the recipient in about a year and a half. that is planet 4 was 1.5 light-years away from the earth because the radio waves travel at the speed of light and if not on earth who the hell did he send this message to? maybe to other planets LV 426 or 226 but who was there then?

"message would reach the recipient in about a year and a half"

Pretty sure he says "Relay".

I'm assuming there is a galaxy wide network of communication satellites? these comsat relays are probably sent a head of colony missions, or any deepspace surveys. 

Though having a relay comsat right freaking next to a Engineer world is doubtful...Can't imagine the Engineers allowing that! 1.5 light years is almost inside the Planet 4 system! lol.......So I'm certain the Covenants communication network is sublight(Star Trek technobable)...Probably 10 times light speed or something like that? I'd have to get out the calculator....

IT my false. Nearest star is 4.2 ly from us. I don't think like sci fi :) and Star Trek isn't from my favoorites movies.

Yeah, this is on the writers.

They should've had a scene earlier in the movie reporting the solar flare and the crew deaths to Earth! They could have told the audience just how long it takes to communicate with Earth.

And why wouldn't the Covenant report the crew deaths to Earth? Oram/Walter or Daniels would have sent a message and Davids at the end of the movie would be restating a different version?

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Well i would assume that as they can Travel Faster than Light that they have Communications that can Travel Faster too.

We dont really know HOW FAR away Planet 4 is, its Location is near the Zeta 2 Reticuli but just because a STAR would appear closer in a Constellation to Each other does-not mean they are actually CLOSE BY so you could have say STAR A in a Constellation and STAR D appears the 3RD Closet to Star A but then you could have STAR K that is 15th closest in the SKY to Star A but actually Star K could be Many Times Closer to Star A than Star D for example.

We can Safely Assume that Communication at the Time of Alien Covenant is Slower than the Speeds the Ship can Travel as it would appear it took the Covenant about 11 Months from Earth before it Encountered the Neutrino Burst

I actually liked Walter as a character.

AVP galaxy has a podcast where they interviewed Alan Dean Foster about his novelization of AC. You can listen to the interview here (episode 51 I think):

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/

//www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45367&page=2

In the interview it seems that Foster says that he's allowed to fix things that he says could be better and hopes that those in charge allow those things to be left in (about 40 minutes in the interview). Everything that he changed in the book of AC weren't allowed to be in but enough so that he felt satisfied with the novel. Since I haven't read the book I can't comment on what's in it but it seems that the novel is better than the movie, but that's just my opinion.

Please not a movie with many Davids, that would be boring. Sorry Big Dave