Juggernaut hangar featured in Engineers' city extended scene

Amazing. A juggernaut parking garage in the deleted scenes (enhanced).

that's some awesome reverse parking. wonder what the insurance is like on those bad boys

You speak the truth daliens.

"I hope that after the next movie Covenant will be regarded for what it is, a beautiful, dark and timeless gem."

The movie gets better each time I watch it. I agree on content that Alien: Covenant showed a narrow slice of what's going on. That is the format of Paradise Lost, in medias res or "in the middle of things". I still believe Ridley Scott filmed more in 2016

Each update we get on the Alien: Origins novelization, the more I believe this. The novelization focuses on the crew and the challenges on Earth in launching the Covenant mission.  

Ridley Scott mentioned in an interview that the Engineers will be in the Alien: Covenant prequel, see here. I would expect to see the moments after David 8 wiping out the Engineers in the prequel following what Scott mentioned. The updated name of the novelization of the prequel is called Alien: Covenant Origins.

He had similar sets with the Covenant ship, same actors, parallel development of a VR experience...why wouldn't Scott take advantage of having most of the resources in place in 2016 to film the prequel sequences?

Would this explain the seconds we saw Branson in Alien: Covenant? 

Branson, James Franco, has a lot larger part in the prequel according to the novelization summary, see below.

The Covenant mission is the most ambitious endeavor in the history of Weyland-Yutani. A ship bound for Origae-6, carrying two thousand colonists beyond the limits of known space, this is make-or-break investment for the corporation—and for the future of all mankind.

Yet there are those who would die to stop the mission. As the colony ship hovers in Earth orbit, several violent events reveal a deadly conspiracy to sabotage the launch. While Captain Jacob Branson and his wife Daniels complete their preparations, security chief Daniel Lopé recruits the final key member of his team. Together they seek to stop the perpetrators before the ship and its passengers can be destroyed.

An original novel by the acclaimed ALAN DEAN FOSTER, author of the groundbreaking Alien novelization, Origins is the official chronicle of the events that led up to Alien: Covenant. It also reveals the world the colonists left behind.

That's great ali81. What kind of insurance are you required to carry when handling black goo and/or parking juggernauts?

Daliens, love your passion for AC and very intriguing perceptions. After watching the film on the interwebs over 20 times all I see of the crew are (one dimensional meat bags) sent to David for his agenda. The hidden message stuff is cool and I kinda dig what you're suggesting. Prometheus is the gem after the first two though, sorry. There is no way Oram is stress tested or that many of the crew are professional soldiers. Oram's symbolism is Ridley's idea that religious people are fools, imo, which pisses off many potential customers. As for this hangar scene and the hydroponic ark lab, they surely played a role to what Walter can do now that's he's left behind and maybe where David got the facehugger embryo gel balls. It's just sad seeing how the direction I liked got dumped along the way but that's life. The hidden treasures may hold up to time but the lack of quality human interaction/narrative like Alien 3 was blessed with, will not get better w time. Maybe Ridley is not all to blame for my disappointment but isn't director where the buck stops. At least we have intelligent dialogue/banter here among us humans, rant over , bowing out. 

Capt Torgo imo Alien Covenant is level with Alien3 with regards to quality human interaction, it has a very good script, tells a story and it is action packed. At that pace and in only 2 hours it is hard to imagine a better quality human interaction. Faith is touched in both movies, as well as in Prometheus.  I don't believe Ridley Scott considers the religious folk as fools. Remember how valuable was the cross pendant for Shaw, how David tried to strip her of faith, same thing between David and Oram. Oram, on the other hand, was raised as a religious person but he was not quite a believer as opposed to Shaw, his curiosity and awe to a luciferic David playing God were stronger than his faith. Oram was the perfectly chosen type for portraying a captain who would wreck his mission. I loved as well Prometheus, the quest for origins, the search for answers, the hope we are left with when the movie ends. But Alien Covenant I found to be much more complex and unsettling, haunting as Prometheus never was. You said yourself you watched it 20 times.

Covenant didn't get better with repeat viewings for me at least. Even if we forget about the plot's assault on the audience intelligence and on the Alien canon, I found it to be visually lackluster.  Even the props (the eggs for instance) look cheap, and the spaceship design is very uninspired, both on the inside and on the outside. The film is also lacking the layered cinematography of previous installments. To me, even lesser sci-fi movies like Event Horizon, Life and of course Prometheus, have much more visual appeal than Covenant. I hope in future movies they hire a better set designer. The absence of artists like Moebius is sorely missed. Honestly I don't get those who say Covenant is a "beautiful mess"... this has to be the ugly duckling in Ridley Scott's filmography!

And Capt Torgo I think the direction you liked was not dumped along the way, it is part of the big plan to make a stop first on Paradise. We may not see Shaw again but Shaw and Daniels are not vital to the story, as was with Ripley. Now they opened a whole alien universe to discover. What's eating me is the Engineers on Paradise. What was their place within the Engineer civilization? For me their welcome of the Juggernaut was like welcoming the returning troops from battles, if they returned safely must be with the good news. The Juggernaut might be their military craft, while the discoidal ship from the beginning of Prometheus might be their research/exploration craft. What about the scorpion ship?

Even if we don't get all the answers in the next movie, it has to be by Ridley Scott. I would be really disappointed if Fox would decide otherwise.

joylitt did you watch Covenant more than any other alien movies? That's the case for me. I don't remember watching a new movie so many times, except maybe for Gladiator and Prometheus, although there must have been many other good movies around. I even un intentionally learned a lot of lines from the script (except from Prometheus that I watched mostly for visuals and novelty, sometimes frame by frame).  I don't deny that I am a Ridley Scott fan, but there has to be something special about these movies.

What made you watch Covenant repeatedly, except the visuals which I get you are not thrilled with? Don't tell me that you were only looking for reasons to criticize it, I don't buy it.

daliens I really want to like it, I just can't. I am a big Ridley Scott fan too, if it would depend on me he would have several Oscars already. Blade Runner is the movie I've seen most times. But in Covenant I think he is not being himself, something seems to be off in this movie in one way or another. So many off-putting stuff, all those familiar insects on another planet and the lack of scientific curiosity of the characters... nobody ever wonders why?. As for the reasons why I watched it more than once, I would say it is because I will give every Ridley Scott sci-fi movie the same treatment. The only difference is that I will continue to watch Blade Runner, Alien and Prometheus on a regular basis, but not Alien Covenant. I want to watch the deletes scenes though...

This deleted scene is great, I wonder why they choose to cut it out. 

joylitt I remember Karine taking samples for research and even Hallet thought he might be credited with an important discovery. So scientific curiosity is there, let alone the science freak David. Most of the time the crew was on the run and after you've been attacked by a Neomorph bursting out of one of your security guy's mouth you might be less impressed by the ruins scattered with bodies. Just looking for shelter. No time to think about anything else. Prometheus was less consistent in matter of scientific curiosity but it brought something new and visually impressive. I watched frame by frame all the Neomorph attacks and they are so good, no idea how they did it but it looks real. I like Covenant for what it is and I don't fell the need to compare it with other movies. Give the script to any other director and I'm pretty sure they cannot make it into a better movie.

However I'm glad you are a Ridley Scott fan too, it's more important than the canon. Didn't RS write down the canon himself?

@daliens, Quite right. Even Oram's curiosity (as head of Life Sciences) is there, to the extent that he's willing to follow David into his cave and have a nervous peek inside the Egg.

As you say, most of the movie was about reaction to life-threatening events. I'd have liked to have seen an extra half hour, similar in length to the Aliens Special Edition.

hox yes, even if the survivors from Covenant could not care less about the surroundings in the given circumstances, we, the fans, would have enjoyed wandering an hour longer on Paradise, even after Covenant left the orbit. Hope Ridley Scott filmed a lot more and it will all be put together in a special bluray release. There was so much artistic creativity around this project that Fox should consider opening an Alien Universe museum. Or there is already such a museum?

@daliens, It's one of my aims to visit the Giger Museum and Bar in Gruyeres, Switzerland. Looks like a lot of fun.

In answer to the thread starters question it is clear from the editor of Covenant that the dilemma he and they were faced with is to what degree do we answer the Prometheus questions that they have chosen to carry forward and to what extent will that slow the movie down so that the real time narrative and the basic proposition (Paradise is like the haunted house) is undermined.

This scene opens doors on the nature of the Engineers role in the mythos and to what extent the intergalactic space seeders view this as their home and how do they the travellers relate to the ecstatic crowd that gathered to meet the home coming of the seeders. In other words once you seriously start to answer the questions posed by Prometheus you kill the routine ALIEN prefix movie dead in its tracks. Like the 12 minutes which include the crossing which are lost, this scene belongs to that thinking. 

Act 2 was rich with possibility but equally represented artistic jeopardy from the point of view that this was to be remodelled as a series about David, his journey and his impact on the creation /recreation of the Xenomorph.

If the next movie gets made and if the Engineers/seeders are involved it will be to act as protagonist to David will include a greater sense of where they might fit in but it will not answer the questions which are all for the taking on Paradise if they had wanted to take that route.  

Michelle Johnston in Prometheus the seeders used a discoidal ship. I believe the Juggernaut was their military craft as it seems all of them were loaded with the pathogen. Not sure why they kept the Juggernauts in the underground hangar because none of the Engineers from Paradise seemed able to fly them. They rather looked like a primitive society, kind of country roads folks that planted wheat and carved in stone. They could not have all died in the bombing and still they were unable to at least send an SOS message. Meaning they were not more than briefly shown in Covenant. The arrival of a Juggernaut was however a big event welcomed by most, like the homecoming of war heroes or a visit of a powerful ally. So why was Paradise important to the Seeders or the Space Jockeys Engineers? Why did they keep their ships on Paradise? Was it like a base, kind of the NATO bases across the Eastern Europe?  For me, I repeat, the engineers from Paradise are a archaic society, maybe by their own choice, that could not fly, not to say build, the Juggernaut. 

I wish they would stop cutting scenes like this from the films

This and the Engineer speaks scene from Prometheus are good examples of what should remain in the finished product.

Audiences for the test screenings are to blame for that. If they say something was confusing, or make many questions, then they cut or add scenes.

@Daliens

The nature of the relationship between the Teardrop Ship and the sacrificial acolyte, the Engineers of LV 223/the Juggernaut and the Engineers of Paradise and docking vessel is a most interesting topic which many different fans have speculated on since Prometheus was filmed.

My remark about the space gardeners was built on Ridley Scott's remarks that later in the narrative they will return to Paradise to the devastation caused by David and will be one of the elements which arrive on Origae 6. As we have only witnessed benevolent seeding linked to the tear drop ship it then begs the question who did they population, whose appearance sent out mixed messages, expect to be returning and from where.

However my real point to the thread starter is that this cut scene belongs to the audacious world building of Prometheus rather than the entertaining routine and for me dull and predictable ALIEN prefix movie Covenant and Pietro edited it out because it did not fit with the latter vision.Wayne Haag's brief, who was responsible for the art work, was to show the Engineers Tech (Nothing Xeno related) but then it is up to Pietro and Ridley to decide whether its crucial to the film. As the Engineers were reduced to texture in Covenant and were their to serve David's narrative it make sense to exclude the scene. That is the methodology by which the scene was cut and reminds us of the artistic dilemmas of trying to blend elements of Prometheus (much was discarded as "Bullshit" to quote Wayne Haag) with a repositioning as a straight ALIEN prequel movie.