Juggernaut hangar featured in Engineers' city extended scene

I did not know the teardrop ship is related to seeding, I hope it is not because it would reduce the population of Paradise to cattle status. And honestly by the look of some in the crowd they were not the best seeds in the universe. But  if they were just seeds and David found out it is perfectly logical he would want to stop the seeding and destroy the seeds.

If they showed the teardrop ship they opened the door to the underground hangar and imo both kinds of ships do not belong to the Paradise population.

I am sorry for always going off topic, need more discipline.

@daliens

When I refer to the Teardrop ship I am referring to the beautifully realised craft hanging over the waterfall at the beginning of Prometheus. The acolyte that emerges is a perfect specimen and by ingesting the catalyser all whom he is and has become is seeded to the planet. 

What relation he is to the population of Paradise or the LV223 Engineers who gain some kind of thematic consistency by appearing to be pilots of Juggernauts by virtue of the appearance of the pilot suit in both Prometheus and Covenant, is unclear.

The appearance of the Engineers in the Plaza suggests something more rustic and simple for what Ridley describes as only a superior species to mankind. Are they possibly taken by the hierarchy and transformed into the Gods Iggi and become ennobled seeders, a mission not unlike the Einherjar of Norse legends who are prepared for Ragnarok. If this was the story of the Engineers then the experimenting on LV 223 represents sub creative rebellion, in the mode of Paradise Lost, out of which emerges the ALIEN Pathogen which brings retribution.   

As you can imagine I would have liked Elizabeth and David arrive at Paradise a broken civilisation to discover such a truth but alas Fox judged the wider audience want their Alien Creature fix. 

Not unnaturally enquiring minds heap all expectations on a sequel film for answers believing that Covenant is a filler film whereas Ridleys's view is it tells us who made the Alien creature and why. A cautionary tale of A. I.

Michelle Johnston It surely seems like a cautionary tale of A. I. and it fits in the bigger picture.

I appreciate that you mention the catalyser in connection with the Teardrop Gardeners and the pathogen with the LV223 Juggernauts ' pilots, one that creates life and the other that destroys it. So LV223 pilots may be a rebelled faction of the army hence the confusion of the ecstatic crowd on Paradise when the Juggernaut arrived. After all, their rebellion might have been crashed thousands of years ago, all their ships being grounded on LV223 and would have stayed like that forever without Shaw and Peter Weyland.

It may be that the pathogen was only created / mutated by the rebelled faction and they chose a Deacon or Protomorph as a mystical symbol of their retribution /rebirth. This theory can go along with the latest news that the pathogen is a form of radical artificial intelligence. 

The catalyser used by the Gardeners of Space is something else, surely of a mythical origin and probably in very short supply. We might not even see it used again.

I believe Ridley Scott did not intend to explain how the alien was created but that it IS / CAN BE CREATED and not born, David only did reverse engineering with the pathogen, the alien morph being already invented by Engineers.

These assumptions would suggest that an Alien Queen (ant shaped) is out of line and will never be seen again. 

@Daliens

I think you do well with these films to take an emblematic top down approach to "Whats Going On". The broad strokes are there and then like Alan Dean Foster you can apply your own literal interpretation.

Take David one of a kind who had suffered apartheid at the hands of mankind. The one person who showed kindness to him was Shaw but in the end she wanted to get away and so he used her literally . David immortal could live on on Paradise knowing that eventually something would happen which triggered the next part of the story.  

On the other hand some want to join up the dots and suggest their are clues that David baited the Covenant. ADF may even indicate some linkage in the prequel novel.

The way we solve these conundrums tells us more about us and our needs rather than what precisely happened. 

On another topic you always reply with the persons name in the Green of the header which is a nice elegant way to start the reply . I have not figured how to capture that how do you do it ?

Michelle Johnston thank you for you thoughtful replies, you always set a high standard of conversation. It is reassuring to see you back on this forum.

Regarding your question, I usually use my phone and when I click on the person's name the menu opens, then I click select and copy then paste it into the reply field. I'm using Android 6 on a Samsung phone, not sure how it works in other environments.

daliens Thank you I use a Mac Book Air. Once you can copy with out linking it seems to work as a straight copy and paste.

Thank you also for the compliment I am not a genre fan (sci fi, fantasy etc etc) I love movies and I love thought provoking cinema. I am quite comfortable that Prometheus had its faults but it also had audacity and tried to give the creature a fascinating creation myth whereas what seems to have happened mid flight between LV 223 and Paradise is it was decided it should be dealt with by the numbers. 

If Awakening works it will operate in the opposite mode to Covenant. Covenant closed everything off and put everything on David, Awakening will open everything out again bringing in elements which are on the edge of the Covenant narrative the question is to what degree. David may find he will need all the help he can get from any source and as he is the unreliable narrator who knows how the incomers will react. 

Aug-03-2017 11:57 PM Can someone delete this post 

Makes me wonder what that planet was for

I remember reading something today that David said the race believed in sacrifice, is it possible an individual was chosen by this race on Paradise, to sacrifice themselves on another planet to seed it?

Is the engineer we see in White, the sacrificial choice perhaps?

But why have so many ships on one planet, not to mention the dock-o-naught thing

I will reply to some interesting comments on here tomorrow.

But indeed AdamPD this is a possibility.