Alien: Exodus

BigDave Did you consider that Shaw just lost Holloway just very recently and know that David was responsible, and thus not wanting sex with him? Isn't that a stronger reason to reject him than he is a robot? She was on her quest to find answers and that was more important than making sex or having children. What I think that you are doing is justifying the actions of a rapist, which are not justifiable.

Certainly i was not trying to suggest David has to be attached by a tether to the Main-Frame or what ever would Store his AI Soul and you would think he would try and come up with some Safeguards because he may be aware of the Error of his Forebarers Ways.   And so a ideal situation for him is to NOT have his AI Uploaded to something LIVE by that he only has his Soul Backed up to some kind or Removable or Inactive Storage Medium, that is only activated when required so the Main-Frame or whatever is used to Upload and Download his AI Soul.  I think if we look at this route and what you propose about if we consider that David only Uploads to ONE David at a time and when his Body Suffers Damage, or he acquires a more Advanced Body then he can Upload his Soul to this.

There are a few Problems to maybe look into however.

1) Is David the only one with Access and Control over the Process (so no one else or the Main Frame cant just Upload Multiple David Souls to Bodies).  This would be a Good Protocol to have but it has flaws.

*What happens if David is Badly Damaged so that he can-not give any commands to activate the Process to Upload his Last Known Soul to a New Body?  By that i mean he is involved in a Event that would render his body in a instant into tiny pieces or even less.

*A fix could be that David has to keep in contact with the Main Frame or whatever and if there is a Period of Time where he has not Contact.  The Machine/Process Automatically assumes the Worse has happened and Proceeds to Create/Download a New David.

This may not sound so bad... but its how FAR can David Communicate and Stray away from where he Stores his AI Soul Back Ups and the Device/Process that Uploads/Downloads it?  We could face a Scenario were he is assumed Missing in Action/Dead but then he is captured someplace where he cant communicate with the Main Frame so to speak... So when he does escape he discovers that the Process to Recreate him has taken place and we now have TWO Davids.... which David gets Terminated and would this David be willing to do so?

2) Does the Main-Frame or Network or what ever had the ability to do this Process without any authorization by David and if this is the case, then does this AI Main-Frame simply Follow Orders to David?    WHAT if it gets HACKED... (the same could apply to even if David is the only one who can control the System that Uploads/Downloads his Soul).

3) Does he have servants, followers be they Humans, or Synthetics who when News of Davids Destruction of if he is Seriously Damaged, what if these can Activate the Process, this is not a problem if they recover Davids Body and his Head is still Functional... But if he uses 3rd Party Persons/Machines to be able to go to the Main-Frame/Processing place and Activate the Process when they Discover David is Dead/Missing (Destroyed best word to use instead of Dead).   What Prevents these from Activating the Process and Creating/Downloading New Davids while David is still out there?

I like to think NO Matter what Protocols are in Place that Hubris will come into play, and there is the Potential for Things to go wrong...  this fits so well with the Themes the Prequels were attempted to cover..

Regarding that Picture... YEP! One of Davids Earlier Face Huggers, you dont get to see it as clear in the Movie, but the Face Hugger Scene with his Later Design is still just as Gross, but it happens fast so many wont notice the details lol

@ignorantGuy

Certainly, i think even regardless if she knew/did not about it was David who was responsible for Holloway (likely she did) but it appeared Forgotten a bit in the Crossing. 

  There are a number of reasons she could reject him, for One its not like she is going to want to jump into bed with the next Humanoid that offers, be it David, a Well Endowed Engineer or another Human.... it would take a while before she is ready to even consider any sexual relationship, never-mind with David.  She had much more on her mind and things to attend to than just to find a Sexual Partner.

I think next to look at is in life for various reasons which does not have to be because someone is a Robot, but you have a Friendship where One Friend starts to feel more than Platonic Love for their Friend, but the other Friend is simply not interesting under No Circumstance... and sometimes when this happens the rejected person can take it bad and that Love Turns to Hate and Bitterness (i have seen this happen to people i know).

I can understand why she would not just be like Ok David lets have a Relationship...  But this was something that one of Logans Early Drafts and his Draft for The Crossing had covered.   This shows Dr Shaw was not as Kind to David and left his Head Floating out in Space, but then Changed her Mind, had many Intimate Encounters with him (how that works out) and SHE was the one who was Smitten with David.

I am sure as HELL Glad they never went with this plan.

"What I think that you are doing is justifying the actions of a rapist, which are not justifiable"

Certainly not at all....  i on one hand can understand how it just seems so odd how someone who loves someone so much could then just Mutilate her Body.  But sometimes people can just Twist and go Bonkers Mad...

I am not sure their is Proof he 100% Raped Her as per-say... I do suspect he tried to KISS her once, and this shocked her and scared her and well freaked her out, then he maybe confesses his LOVE and she rejects him.

There is no evidence to clearly say if he had gone up to her decided he wanted SEX and Raped and Killed her then Butchered her Body.  This Scenario cant be ruled out either.

What is for Certain is She Died at some point, and we simply have no idea how and when she died, David could have killed her in a struggle, he could have killed her in a bout of rage and maybe he regretted it after? or he simply had no care at all... and could be completely Psychopathic

Could she had been dying anyway and he offered her a way to get away from dying, maybe he had a idea to Evolve her to Save her but she rejected it?

Once she died, he then saw that maybe in Death he could Create Life, and decided to use her to Produce his Children...   maybe he did this for his own wicked Agenda.. or he genuinely thought it was a tribute to her... to not let her Body go to Waste, and to use it to Create Life because its something she could never naturally had done.

He may have thought he had somewhat good intentions, to himself, but for those outside of his thought process he clearly was not ALL-THERE in the head and a bit Mad.

Its kind of a bit ambiguous as we really dont see what actually transpired, (dont think the Novel gives any more clues as well).

But some could just think David merely wanted to have Planet 4 to himself so that he could then just Rape, Murder and then Violate Dr Shaw because he is a Sicko and Mad.  

Thats down to each persons personal interpretation and opinion.  And a number of people have concluded similar, and i can see how they can come to this conclusion, which is perfectly understandable.

I think his AI could not handle the Emotions, and he went a bit Crazy, and he may have Loved Her, and thought he was doing the best for her... but in reality what he was doing is not the actions of a Perfectly Sane Person or Robot.

David: When you close your eyes... Do you dream of me?

Shaw: I don't dream at all.

David: No one understands the lonely perfection of my dreams. I found perfection here. I've created it. A perfect organism.

Shaw: You know I can't let you leave this place.

David: No one will ever love you like I do.

[kisses her, then suddenly strikes her fatally]

David: You're such a disappointment to me.

Is it that hard to imagine such a scene between David and Shaw?

For me it seems perfectly plausible and this does not make David a nazi or a rapist. He just eliminates all those standing in his way. As much as a xenomorph does. Like father, like son.

A few worthy points to note.

We were never shown how David was rejected by Shaw. That is we were not ever shown how Shaw shunned David in any sequence did we? On the other hand, instead, we were constantly shown time and time again how David admired Shaw - he liked her. He studied her dreams with the neuro-link when she was in stasis - ( he was basically reading her mind. Push this idea one stage further and you get your machine to transfer mental state of a human being ). He liked her sense of humor - he was flirting with her and he knew she liked his sense of humor( recall "that is why they call it a thesis, Dr. Holloway" and how Shaw was inadvertently put a smile ). I do not think these small sequences were planned so that to show us that Shaw had affection towards David, although she was not totally against him, unlike say, Charlie who straight disregarded David a possibility of being something noble, in fact he was taking him as nothing more but a glorified type-setting machine. But, unquestionably, what was deliberate by the film-makers is that we where shown explicitly how David was probing Shaw more and more - he was getting infatuated on all levels by Shaw. He got to admire her toughness. Recall his remark - "I thought you didn't have it in you", just after she did the emergency c-section removal of the trilobite, which was actually an admiration of the fact that she managed to get rid of the alien organism and have strength to carry on her quest for her irrelevant answers( and questions - just recall that we were shown by that time that her makers where 100% humans in make up, and mortal - ie, they where nowhere near the biblical gods she believed them to be - she carried a christian cross ). So, he saved Shaw(and Holloway) which was certainly not programmed in him(in fact he couldn't risk his life for her, because his allegiance was to the mission, to the true mission - help Weyland on his journey to immortality). Nevertheless, David(a god) risked his life to save Shaw - when she was returning from the juggernaut head-statue complex. Ie, David did something which completely overruled his programming - this is a sign he had it in him, and by that I mean free will(and emotions. Can you imagine the implications that it is emotions that allowed David escape his rigid programming? Think about Walter and his "Duty" answer. Whereas David thought Walter loved Daniels and hence sacrificed his hand for her. Little David knew at the time that Walter was indeed a glorified electric tea pot - a machine, not allowed to create even a simple tune. But hey, at least he had melodies put in him :).  It has to be said, Shaw returned the favor when she put him back together. Shaw, being this unassuming(perhaps you could say she was naive) and innocent never expected David to be so smart and machiavellian. Therefore she never registered that her unintentional, fair and non-discriminative treatment of David could lead to David to build up such an affection towards her. The question then rises - is she complicit? You can say to the point yes - she should have known better. She was not a farmer's daughter, she was some sort of researcher, which means that she was definitely not stupid - and therefore she should have been prepared for the worst, ie she should be skeptcial enough to be a scientist. It is the essence of the scientific process - to rule out all the skeptical theories you have. But that is the pickle, the conflict of her character - she is unassuming, naive and a pure, which conflicts with being this skeptical, world weary person. Here is the example that perhaps accentuates what I am talking about : it takes to be con to know a con. And this is not in her nature - so she had no choice but to seduce David(unknowingly). Which is crazy, and he did go crazy for her. He was risking his life for a girl of a species he has forsaken as hopeless and worthless in the first minute of his life when he was shown all the human vices by his maker.


All of the above suggests that there was something in the script put deliberately there which would show us how Shaw and David were getting closer and more intimate with each other. And with the revelations(to me at least) from BigDave that they were supposed to be sexual partners tells me that this is not a false reading by me but rather toned down story which still shined through the seams even sans the intimate scenes between David and Shaw cut out from the script.


So, it is no wonder David loved her. Despite her being in the shell of a human body. He knew her like the back of his hand - we were shown that he knew her most intimate dreams. Which is a bizarre situation, because she never gave consent to David to go through such interrogation, but Shaw never took this against David. Which rather shows that Shaw was very, very open minded - this tells me, rather suggests that she wouldn't object David at some point in future, especially if circumstances are stacked just right. Just recall that when push came to shove, when everyone from the Prometheus team was dead on LV-223 except her and decapitated David, she still put him back together - she knew full well at that moment that David is not innocent robot. That he had something to do with death of Charlie, with her getting pregnant with that awful starfish. But she still trusted him. And we know that David appreciated such trust, especially coming from Shaw, obviously, the single person in the universe he had feelings to. So, I can certainly imagine how she could have agreed to be his partner in future if circumstances again presented themselves. Just think about : David knows her. It would only take for David allow her to inspect him and his thoughts - if he comes clean through this, shall we call it "interrogation" ( the better phrase would be if she gets to known him better ), Shaw would just give in. And why not?

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"Is it that hard to imagine such a scene between David and Shaw?"

Not beyond the realms of possibility, like i had said some-point in this Topic sometimes Rejection can turn Love to Hate, i have seen this happen a few times in Real Life.  Where it becomes more Bitterness and Jealousy, which can result in extreme cases to a "if i cant have her then No One Shall" kind of a Reaction.  Which i think may have been what happened with David.

Trying to get a bit back to Topic i will mention that it maybe CANT be ruled out that David could be able to Modify those Human Embryos, it depends on what Technology is on the Covenant... we have to ask what was the Original Plan for those Embryos?

This was to have them develop into Humans at some point and so they have to have a Process to be able to Grow those Embryos, would they have been Grown in some Artificial Womb/incubator?

We also have to wonder what Genetic Engineering Knowledge David had gained over the years on Planet 4 and remember the limited tools he had, yet he accomplished so much and its likely the Black Goo provided to be a Good Tool for Genetic Modification, if it is a Form of Radical AI then if David can unlock its secrets then he could maybe use it to Splice Traits/Genomes of any Organism he wishes and Evolve any Traits/Genomes he wishes.

Another thing to consider with his Experiments are that maybe the use of the Black Goo allowed for Accelerated Growth of Organisms and Fetus, this fits with how Rabid we saw the Hammerpedes and Trilobite in Prometheus.

If we look at examples of Genetic Engineering in a number of Sci-Fi movies, we do see that Genetically Modified Humans and/or Clones do appear to be Grown to a Certain/Required age within a Short Space of Time, this includes the Replicants from Blade Runner and also the Clones in The 6th Day Movies.

So if David can unlock a way to alter the Growth Rate of a Human Embryo then he could in effect Grow those Embryos at a faster rate than a Natural Gestation and Growth would require.   IF we consider this with maybe Genetic Manipulating to Evolve those Embryos into Superior Humanoids then i think MAYBE this could indeed be part of the Plot for the Sequel to Alien Awakening.  If say David could Evolve those Humans and Grow them to the age of Children then by the time he incoming Parties arrive he would have a Colony of Superior Humanoid Children that are FED what ever History, Origin and Religion that David wishes...   i pondered this as a Option a while back....  But since RS announced his Raised by Wolves TV Series... i could not help but think is he taking over Plot Elements from the Canned Alien Prequel and using them in his Sci-Fi Series?

Hence the Reason for this Topic.

I can expand upon that last post and bring back the Dr Shaw Equation....

When talking about some of the works that David had done and those that featured Dr Shaw (Dane Hallet and Matt Hatton) had pondered if these were either just Wild Imagination of David (My take on it) , or if he Resurrected Her over and over (not a fan) or if he Cloned her.

We maybe cant 100% Rule-out the Cloning of her, but here is something interesting to Ponder, if David has some of her DNA, this could be strands of Hair, then it would open up a Plot where its not beyond the Realms of Possibility for David to CLONE Dr Shaw maybe on the Covenant Ship.

He could MOLD Dr Shaw anyway he wishes... HOWEVER, this may be a loss on him, if he only Fell for Dr Shaw because of her Personality/Soul and a Clone would not have her Memories, Emotions and Upbringing that Molded her into the Person she was....  I also think it would be a bit Sketchy to introduce a way that he had obtained her Soul.  Maybe this could be accomplished to a small degree, if he has stored in his AI all the Dreams he had been watching of Dr Shaw, during the 2 years she was in Cryo-sleep on the Prometheus.  

When i was working on my Prometheus 2 i was to cover how it was such Technologies like that Dream Visor that played a part in Weylands Ambition to be able to Capture our Memories, Dreams and Emotions... and then come up with a way to Transfer these into a AI Program... this was Project Rook.

When Ridley Scott said the next movie was to be about AI, people would automatically think its a Movie about David and he alone (he is the AI)  But exploring AI could also include.

*Genetic Modification of Humanoids (especially Human Embryos or even Egg Cells).

*Transferring of a AI Soul into another AI Body or Computer.

*Transferring of a AI Soul into a Organic Body

*Transferring a Humanoids Soul into a AI and then into another Body.

OR.....

*Activation, Building of Multiple Synthetic Androids

*Infiltration/Hacking and Control of other Synthetics and Computer Systems.

But when combined with how RS had implied that Replicants are AI, this to me means he would be exploring something similar and not going to give us a Terminator/I-Robot Multiple Army of Robots Plot.

Wow, Huge scope BigDave! Great ideas.

Just to add:

David is an android(duh!) I don't think he 'sees' like humans.

His is a digital world...bits/bytes/quantum qbits stuff...infra red/electromagnetic radiation...This is how I imagine his optics work.

Probably sees Shaw as electromagnetic data.

Also, Is he recording what he 'sees'? Does he have access to his past? 

Would be nice to view the world from his eyes.     I think this would snap the viewers out of this Pinocchio David view.

David is android. BUT! He synthetic, not cybernetic. He was grown, not construct. David is a life form, but on synthetic base instead organic. Yes, he has chip with data base, but his senses like humans.

Androids from Alien Universe =/= androids/robots from another movies, books, ect.

So you are saying he has eyesight like humans? 32k resolution maybe...zoom lens? You would think they are trying to improve on human eyesight.

It would still be interesting to see how he interprets visual data. Like the Xenomorph POV from Alien:Covenant

It would be cool to have a manual on synthetics! Like some Star Trek tech book.

"Also, Is he recording what he 'sees'? Does he have access to his past?"

Who knows how much Data Storage David has, i will assume that he has acquired about 80 Years of Date/Memories and Experiences by the time Alien Covenants Events end.   When we had Prometheus and the Viral Marketing for that Movie, with the David 1-8 Models i had always assumed that Each Prototype would see the Memories/Experiences from Each Prototype passed onto the Latest Prototype, so David 1 has his memories transferred to David 2 Prototype and so forth. Alien Covenant changed things a little (Hence removal of the Weyland Industries Viral Site)  But i would like to assume that Each Upgrade would seen Weyland want Davids Soul uploaded to the next Model.

As far as how he sees, i think we can assume he can see pretty similar to how we can, BUT i also think and it was hinted at and indeed covered in the drafts.  That Davids Eyes had other abilities, he had a Macro-Vission which meant he could Zoom In on objects, and he also could see in different Spectrum's and See thing things the Naked Human Eye could not.

I certainly would like to eventually see a In-Depth Manual/Tech Book, they could have ONE for the Various Ships, ONE for the Synthetics and Weyland-Yutani Technology and a updated One about the Xenomorph and other Morphs/Black Goo and maybe detailing Davids Experiments.  And Finally the Engineers.

Eventually that is... i know we had the Weyland-Yutani Report but i hope for a more improved comprehensive one some day, not saying those who made that have not done well, but at that time we had not COMPLETED our Prequel Series and so Once this (IF it ever) gets done, then we can get some FINISHED Project Books...  I would also think S.D. Perry should maybe be given the task to do this, as Once we have everything Told in the Prequels... they would be able to give more than they could while the Prequels were a very much ever changing work in Progress.

I also know we got the David Art-work book but this was more a Art Reference book, than a detailed Journal of what David had been up to.

MonsterZero

I know what I say from AC: Origins book. It's a great fantastic. Yeah, about his eyes no words, but we know what androids is a life form and they can eat and have hair growth and other organic senses. We can conclude that he sees like humans. Maybe better (humans eyes not perfect eyes on earth, btw even not close). In any case, not 1 and 0.

"The Empire Magazine Special has Reignited theories into what the Sequel had in mind... which has lead to Speculation that it will be set on LV-426.  I believe this is INCORRECT.

If we look at some of the Comments that Ridley Scott has made regarding the Sequel and Artificial Intelligence and Xenomorph we see that he seems to think the Xenomorph has nearly run its course and you have to come up with something NEW, he also had said the Next Movie would be about Artificial Intelligence and he had asked us "what kind of a World would David build?""

I agree. A lot of what was collected together in the past week was old news and assumptions as far as what I read. 

David told Oram he was frustrated due to a lack of a key ingredient, Mother. Once Mother arrived, David had both the gained knowledge of the pathogen and those to use it on.

I assume, based on the end of Alien: Covenant and Scott's previous comments, that we would see the connection in-between the xenomorph encountered on Planet 4 and the patient/lurking biomechanical xenomorph from LV-426.

I think the Comment to Oram is once again one of those Ambiguous things we have in the Prequels where it could be interpreted as other things and could even mean multiple things.

1) Mother as in MUTHUR the ships computer? i think this depends on WHEN the Company had such a thing as MUTHUR computers, i have to check if it was referred to as such in Prometheus.   If we go for this route, then it would indicated the Company Knows where David was and sent the Covenant to near Planet 4 and set up the Neutrino Burst or that David had set this Trap.

I think eventually we could be led to Davids AI being in Control of the Companies Computers, but i am not sure he had any such Control until the END of Alien Covenant.. but then we can ask WHY the Computer Recognized Davids own Log In and Command.

2) Mother as in INCUBATION (Gestation) for his Xenomorph...  this one i think is for certain, because we can take from that Scene that David has those Eggs there for who knows how long, but can assume Planet 4 has NO more Hosts.... so those Eggs were waiting for a Mother to Incubate and Give Birth to his Xenomorph.

I think eventually indeed we would have see a Evolution of the Xenomorph, RS had said we are NOT QUITE there yet.   I have a feeling either towards the END of the Sequel or in Alien Covenant Part 3 is where we would see the Xenomorphs Evolution to get to what we had in ALIEN

From his comments it seemed like those who are expecting more about the Xenomorph in the NEXT installment will FEEL as Short Changed as those who after Prometheus were expecting to see more about Dr Shaw and the Engineers.

BD

I answer some ideas from your response to BioDegradable too if that is OK, I think that it is interesting. Apologies if what I did here was wrong.

Agreed that human bodies rot so to speak and the AI does not do the same thing, that is kind of interesting but they should put that in another franchise. You ask where the Engineers got their technology from, maybe they stole it from those that created them? One alternative is that they were handed it and misused it like the humans run pout of control.

“I do think we can see that David may feel he is more Worthy of this Knowledge and Technology and it would be interesting to see to what END he could use it.”

This is something that I agree with 50%, he might agree that he is more worthy of it (he is a narcissist) but I do not care to see more about what he would do with it. There are already two David movies although less so in Prometheus.

“I think RS is trying to show us Creation and to ask what determines Creation, what makes a Life-Form”

I agree but that is not why I watch the alien movies. It could work but then we need more focus on the humans and the monsters. Right now it does not work so the movies suffer from that.

“what is a SOUL?”

That is interesting, I have read philosophy about it, maybe a lot is to exaggerate but I have read some. It is a question that is interesting but it is not something that I look for in an alien movie. When we look at Weyland and David I can see that is a question that Scott is interested in and I am too, I just don’t think that it is very alien.

“.... but with a AI who has such Memories and Emotions that can be Stored in a AI Program and Computer, and thus this SOUL can be uploaded then in effect the AI has a Eternal Soul so to speak."

I understand that but I do not think that it will go that far. Again this is not what I am looking fir in an alien movie but give me something else about it and I might be interested.

All these questions are interesting but it takes away a lot of what I am looking for in an alien movie, namely well-done human characters that are facing situations that they are not prepared for. In this case they are fighting both the creatures(s) and the company that is just in it for profit (which I think is more interesting in this universe).

“which most would consider to be about Xenomorphs, but i feel the Xenomorph is more cooked than the AI aspect.”

I think that both the Xeno (at least the classic one) and the robot thing is over-done. I would prefer to see more about the Engineers and the SJ and more about the human journey or what ever to call it.

“I think they need to use the AI and Xenomorph as not the Main Focus but allow them to be used to draw some connection and context to Creation and Humans and Engineers and other layers of Creation.”

At least that sounds better than Scott’s obsession with David which to me is messing things up. To me both the humans and the Engineers are far more interesting than the David story. It is just to bad that Alien Covenant abandoned the Engineers.

“One VERY Valid Point you raise often Thoughts_Dreams is Human Characters and IF we explore a route like in OT, then its a case of could Fans Connect to a New Version of Humans that are Engineered or would they be seen only as Robots?”

Hmm, that is interesting. To me it would depend on how they are written and if we can sympathize with them. Human characters can be interesting but still be assholes but you need sympathetic human characters at least some when the main thing is a fascist android. This is not something that is impossible (a new kind of humans, we have had the Cro-magnons, and so on). Who knows what the next stage in human evolution will be? Hopefully something smarter, rational, and compassionate.

In science they use mice in tests so maybe the Engineers or who ever with the technology and knowledge does this with humans too? You can imagine a lot of interesting stories that they could have about this but it should be clear that it is attached to the alien universe otherwise it will be like Prometheus where people go “huh?”.  

Maybe you could show that the Engineers are heavily involved with this and to show how they are connected to the Xeno to show their role as genetic gardeners or how ever they are described. When we look at them like that we could see that they are both involved in evolving (word-play obviously) both the Xeno and humanity. So they are in it to erase the old humanity with a version that they think will be better so hopefully they have learned their lesson that time but we will see about that. To me the Alien franchise has always been about the human journey so that could be a continuation of that. There should be some dangers facing those also (possibly made by the Engineers) otherwise there would be no tension.

“it all depends on the story and how characters are developed.”  - Biodegradable

I agree, Prometheus and Alien Covenant should be an example of this because of how they failed with that. The stories might be alright but the characters lack

“I agree i think the Engineers Plot could have potentially ran very deep, and interesting and if its not ALIEN enough then you can simply introduce another Run on the Ladder, and explore something different that is above the Engineers.”

I think that is dependent on how clear that they are about that the Engineers made the original or found something and evolved it. If you write them as interesting and intimidating (dangerous) then I think that it could be alright, it is just too bad that they did not make sense of them in Prometheus.

“What Conflicts have they been involved with in the Universe, are all the Engineers on the Same Page?”

It depends, it could be different factions that are at war with each-other.

I do not mind philosophical scenes, hell Matrix is a sort of philosophy class and I liked the discussion at least partially between Walter and David although it was too long or at least to slow.

“Does he eventually Kill Off the Adults and maybe some of the 2000 Colonist are Children, and he then settles them down on the Surface.  His Subjects.”

Maybe he tries to see that there are different kinds and those that he dislike he kills off. It depends on how black and white his kind of thinking is.

“maybe we could have some kind of Wooden Theme World with Ritual/Religious way of life like Monks... “

This could be interesting, like the wooden planet by Vincent Ward, at least a bit.

Daniels, either develop her personality (a lot!) as a character or kill her off. Right now she has no personality so I am not really interested in what happens to her. Perhaps she could have a cameo but that is bigger than how Shaw ended up otherwise it would feel like they would repeat themselves.

“I think we will explore a lot of Philosophy about Religion, Creation, Punishment etc etc”

Maybe it could work, it worked in Alien 3 (religion and philosophy).

“.... does he warn those Colonist these Humans are Evil and get them to side with him?”

He mostly cares about himself and the androids so he would do what ever to survive, not sure what that would be. Nah, kill that fucker

“David Controlling the AI of the Weyland-Yutani Systems including any incoming Synthetics... but i cant rule this out as being a part of it.”

That is to give him too much of a role, I do not like it. Sure he can indeed play a certain part of it, I am not against that but I do not want it to be all about or mostly focused on David.

I would really like to see more of the Engineers.

Leto:

Wouldn’t that depend on what we call superior? What kind of traits that are desirable? Like he could be superior when it comes to X but not to Y?

Yes he made mistakes, and that was interesting. He has a big ego but big egos can lead to downfalls. This could possibly be how David ends up.

“Maybe Enginners come to Origae-6, but all of them are destroyed by xenomorphs...”

Possibly, but I would like the Engineers to take down David before that is done. Give him what he deserves

Maybe there are already eggs there that David did not create so that hints that he just developed his own version. I really dislike David as the original creator of the Xeno so hopefully something can be done about that.

“will be piloting this ship on Earth or/with stop at LV-223 for restocking black goo and modification of xenomorphs, but pilot be infested and ship crash on LV-426.”

This is a part that I am not sure if I understand, will that mean that David is the pilot in the chair (1979) or not? I do not mind if the Engineers might take David’s things and try to develop it so either a Engineer or a life-form above the Engineers is the SJ but I refuse to have David as it.

@BigDave

"1) Mother as in MUTHUR the ships computer?"

That's my favorite version. Yes, at first sight we think about incubator. But Ridley never spoke explicitly, and there was always a second bottom in the prequels. I think what the Covenant was go so close to Planet 4 not by chance. And "Covenant" could mean a contract between David and WY. I don't think what WY controlled David.

And this give me interesting thoughts. What if the Derelict from Alien flies to Earth not for destruction the human race. But as "order" for WY from David. This explains why WY wants to get Alien. But not explain why Derelict sends a "danger" signal.

"You ask where the Engineers got their technology from, maybe they stole it from those that created them? One alternative is that they were handed it and misused it like the humans run pout of control."

I have pondered such a thing a number of times, Certainly that could FIT with our Engineers, as in either Stole the Technology/Black Goo, or they were allowed to use it as instructed by their Hierarchy/Creators but they chose to use it as NOT intended.

"I agree but that is not why I watch the alien movies. It could work but then we need more focus on the humans and the monsters. Right now it does not work so the movies suffer from that."

Well i can fully agree with this and other things you had said in your post Thoughts_Dreams

Myself i find the Plot Interesting, but it indeed seems to loop back more to Mankind/David where the Engineers should be the bigger Focus,  the Themes and Ideas RS has are interesting but as you have RIGHTFULLY stated!

YOU dont watch a ALIEN Movie for this... and i have to assume a Larger % will side with the same kind of outlook, and what i mean is HOWEVER interesting some things are, they are not quite so Fitting to ALIEN, they seem to be getting sidetracked to what MOST would see about ALIEN and how a Prequel should be which would be about the Xenomorph a little.... but mainly about that Technology that belonged to the Space Jockey and his Race. And then look into WHY they do what they do and against WHO.

And to be honest, the Themes at Play are things that have been done before....   Especially when we look at Battlestar Galactica be it the Original 70's/80s or the Re-Imagination Series... the Original has those Prometheus Themes (Reptilian Alien Race, Create Robots who Rebel) were you can replace Reptilian Cylons with Engineers or Humans, and Replace the Centurion Warriors with Humans or David. 

The Newer Series, we see a combination of similar things to what Bladerunner was about, and also Prometheus, and indeed similar to what some of the things in this Topic Discus...  Upload Human Soul into a AI, and then AI Rebelling and AI then Creating Organic AI.

So these things have been done before.....

While they could be interesting in context to the Franchise, i feel for MOST it appears to be a Distraction and Sidetrack from what SHOULD be covered more and more so.. WHAT would get more Fans to be interested.

Lucifer, The Light Bearer

"Knowledge and Freewill play Key Roles, for the Bible it shows us that the Fall of Lucifer was because he was created Perfect and had been given more Free-will and Knowledge and he is just like David, where as other Angels were more like Walter"

I think you nailed that component BigDave.

I believe the David character was modeled after Lucifer in many ways. He is a liar when considering his fake plastic mouth. David is also an attempt at perfection by a mortal, Peter Weyland. So, every synthetic cell showcased as perfect is a lie. Then add in the synthetic psychopathic butcher aspects David displayed and I believe I make a point.

Pandemonium

In support of this point, I believe that Planet 4 was a great representation of Pandemonium from Paradise Lost.