What Kind of a World!

BigDave
MemberDeaconMarch 28, 2019I think to some degree its a Shame there is a LOT of Dislike in regards to David...
Ridley Scott suggesting the Next movie would NOT be about the Xenomorph, but about AI (could mean a Intelligent Being that is Created/Engineered, and NOT Robots).
I know people was Disappointed at the Lack of HR Giger Aesthetic in Prometheus, and more disappointed by the Further Lack of it in Alien Covenant.
The HR Giger Aesthetic is something that played a major role in ALIEN it gave us our Xenomorph, the Derelict etc..
So when Pondering WHAT KIND of a World David would create, the Scope could be there to be more than just about Creating a AI!
Sometimes to Create One Must First Destroy!
We could take that as the Black Goo would have Created Something from our Destruction, at the time of Prometheus we could assume this would had been Organisms that Carried Xenomorph DNA (Which the Fire and Stone Comics had shown with LV-223) and we see that David had been experimenting a lot on Planet 4 to obtain his Xenomorph.
Ridley Scott claimed the Next movie would NOT be about the Xenomorph, and that it would be about a AI, which maybe could mean Engineering of another Creation, maybe those Human Embryo's as i speculated in TWO Topics.
With some Disappointed the First TWO movies were not ALIEN enough, certainly in terms of compared to ALIEN and i dont mean just Xenomorphs... I think a number of Fans would have expected a ALIEN Prequel to end up taking us to a ALIEN PRIME.. kind of Xenomorph Home-world and Ridley Scott had intended similar with a sequel to ALIEN which he never got to make.
HR Giger is what made the Franchise very ALIEN...
So we have David who is OFF to what we can assume is Origae-6, now this World would have been somewhat a ideal New Eden for the Covenant Colonist, which means it would have to have LIFE...
David had been playing Dr. Moreau on Planet 4, with those Experiments in the Lab... While as a Consequence of Eradicating the Engineer Threat Planet 4 become infected and the Spores were a Result of this.
On a World that has NO THREAT like the Engineers, then David would not need to Bombard the Whole Planet, and could be Free to just Experiment on Organisms as he pleases with the Black Goo and contain the Experiments as opposed to Infect the Entire Planet.
so while we can assume David could Engineer a Humanoid from the Embryos, would he by-pass Experiments on the other Colonist who are ALL Safely Shut Away in Cryo-sleep? Even if he experiments on the Embryos how many experiments would he have to do in order to OBTAIN his End Product?
My POINT?
Creating a Enhanced Human Race as speculated before, is one thing we can see, but would there be many Failed or In-Perfect Results along the way?
Would he also want to CREATE/EVOLVE the Planets Native Life-Forms? This cant be RULED out as some of the Concept Art for Alien: Paradise/Lost had shown Mutated Hybrid Organisms, included a Pet Dog, and Nasty Little Meerkat like Creatures.
So its possible David could take the Planets Life, and try to Create his OWN from it, or Evolve it..... so we could see him PLAY that Dr. Moreau all over again...
However.... lets imagine this with the Freedom to incorporate HR Gigers Aesthetic... If we look at a lot of HR Gigers Work, he certainly has been playing a Very Surreal Bio-Mechanical Dr. Moreau Certainly within his Mind!
What if HR Giger got to play a Real Life Dr. Moreau what if HR Giger had Access to the Black Goo?
You could certainly imagine a Infinite Number of Experiments, Torture on Life-Forms to create the Various HR Giger Artworks he had persevered within his MIND!
What happens when these get out of Control... or after Engineers or Humans arrive and leads to some Contamination that then Spreads a HR Giger Aesthetic over a World!
I think it would be interesting if we saw Oriage-6 Evolve from a Earth Like World upon Arrival of David, until all that remains is a VERY HR Giger ALIEN World by the time Davids Plans and World goes to POT!
Set Over TWO Movies the 2nd part by the 2nd Act or 3rd could see the Engineers See Potential in what they find and attempt to take something to LV-223 to Experiment on and Improve..... and we all KNOW how that ends for the Space Jockey ;)
I will add some Giger Works... at a latter point, but there is so much scope to his ART, that depicts Experimentation, certainly a lot about various Creations, and a lot about Females being used/implied in the use to maybe obtain such Horrors.
I would love to see either David play the Dr. Moreau again and see a number of HR Giger Inspired things going on, or if not David then i would like to see him Create some things and then see the Engineers take these and play the HR Giger Dr. Moreau on LV-223.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
"If we are 3 movies away from Alien, we would be about 15 years away from that considering the time between Prometheus and AC. Will RS be around to direct?"
Certainly is the Big Point... HOW could he fit another few movies that are going to Chronologically link to ALIEN?
Had Alien Awakening got the Green Light and Produced (so if Alien Covenant had made at least 50% more than it had). I think 2019 would have been the Earliest we would have seen the Sequel. And if we are off to Origae-6 and assume the movie takes place on this World, then the Covenant would not arrive until the Year 2122... which leaves 10 years before ALIEN.
We have to ASSUME... unless they use any Time-Travel/Tear in Space... Plot... that the Derelict has been on LV-426 for more than a Few Months...
So a 8-9 Year Period would pass/be covered from the Covenant Arriving on Origae-6 until the Derelict arrives on LV-426. This would be HARD to make more than TWO Movies to Span that Time-Frame.
A New Prequel Trilogy could be a squeeze (Alien Covenant 1-3) but i cant see how more than 3 movies (inc Covenant) would fit into a 17 Year Period (consider 7+ of them will be getting to Origae-6). This would be effected more/limited depending on WHEN the Covenant arrives at Origae-6 and WHEN the Derelict lands on LV-426.
Without showing Davids Xenomorphs are Different, or Time-Travel, then these events would Transpire over a 9-10 Year Maximum Period.
I feel the other Movies would likely had been Parallel to a series of 1-2 sequels to Alien Covenant. And so cover other goings on in the Time-Line of 2105-2122 or other things that occur between 2122-2179
Ridley Scotts Age i feel is a Factor... IF he was to play a role in another 1-2 ALIEN Prequels then he would have to get to work on them within 2-6 Years. I just cant see Ridley Scott Directing in say 10 years time.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Thoughts_Dreams
Certainly you are not alone with people being not interested in a David Focused World! Some are Wishfully thinking David does-not create the Xenomorph... maybe this can be changed.
The KIND OF WORLD idea for this Plot... could be what kind of a World is Discovered by a incoming Human Mission, compared to what they had thought that Origae-6 would be.
So you could have a World that is set in a Time AFTER things have got out of Control... a World where David is what we saw of Dr Shaw.. a Corpse of just Missing!
I ponder if David is to arrive at Origae-6 he could see the World as a Good Starting Point, compared to the Contaminated Planet 4. It appears David is very interested in Creation.... he has a lot of Genetic Material to Experiment with on the Covenant, but also what other Life-forms are on Origae-6 that he could want to EVOLVE/PERFECT.
A World David would Create to his own Preferences and he is bound to see the POTENTIAL in his Experiments and Xenomorph as far as the Traits his Creation has that could be a Evolution to the Life on Origae-6
WE could introduce a more Xenomorph/ALIEN Aesthetic to these Creations/World, something more HR Giger...
And so its not quite about what David would Create... but WHAT happens in the Aftermath of such things... Tampering with LIFE that would imprint some Traits of the Xenomorph could have Dire Consequences.
Look at our Humble Worms that become Hammerpedes!
So Evolving a World, that not only be Humanoids, but other Life-Forms could be a BAD idea if these Organisms have traits of the Deacon/Xenomorph... and you can see anyone attempting to so this would STRUGGLE to contain/control such a WORLD.
So what happens when things go to POT!
So it does-not have to be based around DAVID and when he is doing all this stuff... we could ARRIVE at this World long after the Effects of Davids Experiments get out of Control and so we DONT even have to have David in it.
BEFORE... we got Alien Covenant.. i am pretty sure we all could Speculate on what happens when a WORLD is contaminated with the Black Goo... and while we see this with the Neomorph Spores... i think many Fans would have NOT expected such a Limited Aftermath...
You would have been drawn to the Worlds LIFE and Fauna to had been replaced by some Horrors... and not just BBQ Engineers.
Fire and Stone showed us what a World could look like after the Black Goo..... i think we could ponder what IF we see Origae-6 have similar happen... and WHAT happens when a Human Ship arrives at the AFTERMATH!
We still need some Answers.... and so Discovering a Disabled David to just activate and get some information from like they did with Bishop in Alien 3 is something they could explore....
The LONGER a sequel takes... the more likely this would be Davids Role/Fate!
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I think we have to look at the PLOT of Alien Covenant, ignoring all the David/Planet 4 stuff (Alien Covenant Origins Book for example).
We have a Large Group of Humans who wish to abandon Earth and the Kind of World that has become, in pursuit of a New Haven, a New Eden a Paradise to Start a New Life.
Are the Covenant Crew the only ones aware of Origae-6?
Nope! and its possible others would want to go to Origae-6 too, and in any such Colonization Venture if you Determine the World is Totally Earth like... and so a Mission jut has to arrive and start to Build/Set Up Infrastructure begin to Plant Earth Food/Crops.
Then its likely a Secondary Mission would be planned to arrive years latter to deliver more Cargo, Food, Equipment etc etc. Plus some extra Human Colonist.
We can PONDER that this incoming Ship would be expecting a World that is close to Earth like, where the Covenant Ship would have already had been on for a number of years.
So it would be interesting WHAT Origae-6 would actually be like by the time this OTHER Ship arrives.
Ridley Scott claimed there would be 3-4 Incoming Parties... now by Virtue of a 3/4 must imply that ONE Party is similar.. so it could be the 3rd/4th are Alternative Human Ships or Alternative Engineer Ships... but then it could be WALTER (from Planet 4) ...which i doubt but could be.
David as Walter had informed Mission Control if you would that the Covenant is continuing on its Mission to Origae-6.
David as David had informed via Secure Link someone at Weyland-Yutani of who he is and what he has been up to.
I think its highly likely that ONE of the Human Ships would NOT be prepared and would be expecting to Find the Covenant Colony Set-Up on a very Earth like World.
What kind of a WORLD would they arrive at? I feel this ANGLE they have to go with, from the incoming Humans Perspective... much like Alien Covenant was from the Covenant Missions Perspective (it was not set about the 10 year period of what David was up to.. but AFTER).
Yes at a latter point the Weyland-Yutani would turn up with knowledge of what happened... the Advent Message... but its likely they would also send Missions to LV-223 and Planet 4.
so WHAT KIND OF A WORLD... would there be to Discover when the other Human Ship arrive would be the best way to go..
We could end up with a very similar Plot to Raised by Wolves, in context to a Human Colony or Engineered Humans that are raised by David and FED what ever lies he had given them.... For those who DONT want a David movie, well a Aftermath could show what happens when these Beings had Revolted Against David...
This would be more interesting if they are NOT your traditional Humans but Enhanced... and even if David is GONE by the time we start our Movie.... its HOW do those Enhanced Humans who now call Origae-6 Home react to incoming Humans from Earth?
But as i have said this would be a Distraction from ALIEN unless these beings were LESS-HUMAN or at some point we get the introduction of some Horrors of other Experiments David had conducted...
I feel HOWEVER that most Alien Fans would rather see a incoming Human Ship arrive at a World that would be kind of like a Worse Case than turning up to Planet 4 and coming across the SPORES and Davids Eggs in the Cathedral/Citadel
In this case... it cant be a World that LOOKS like the OT Banner.... BUT it could become a World like this after the incoming Humans stumble upon a HORROR that gets loose and out of control...
Or the Banner is what HAPPENS after the Engineers Turn up too.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
David said what he doesn't give a second chance for humans. But with Enhanced humans we have a second chance.
I think - David will be use the colonists in his experiments with Aliens. And Xenomorphs (we also knew it from Covenant) are priority one for David. This is what David wants. Xenomorphs will rule the universe. Not enhanced humans - they role be an incubators for Aliens. And maybe spread xenomorphs throughout the universe.
Well we can indeed assume this to be the case from what we had seen in ALIEN COVENANT.
Ridley Scotts comments seem to point to something different... and it would not be about Xenomorphs... (this does-not rule out any appearance or development of Eggs). He said the next movie would be more about AI in which case we cant assume thats just about him or Robots..
Now he could create a variant of the Xenomorph, that would also be a AI... just as the Xenomorph is.
I have said this a number of times, now they have gone the ALIEN Prefix Prequel route the Expectation is there for there to be some Xenomorphs and certainly Set-Up a event that drives us ONE movie perhaps from ALIEN, certainly a movie that would have to be more ALIENY... otherwise i think a lack of ALIEN Aesthetic and No Xenomorphs would appear to NOT be a ALIEN Movie, not what some fans would expect and could be a Distraction... They have to find the Right Balance.
I think Disney are going to assess what they think is needed in a sequel IF they continue, and i am sure they would take on board more Fans Disappointments, rather than Carry on with what Ridley Scott wanted to do.... unless they feel what he wants would be what the Fans would want and PAY to see.
Maybe there has to be some Compromise?
But ignoring what Ridley Scott had said... going by Alien Covenant and the Advent Video, then it does seem to suggest David has ONE Agenda on his Mind.
Perfect and Multiply his Xenomorphs so he can Conquer the Galaxy with them.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
When looking at HOW we could tackle Hybrids, if we wanted to add a bit more Alieny Aesthetic to them... then i came across these TWO Fan Made Busts.
This one is similar to the New Born, but looks more Menacing to me... its by Mangrasshopper
This one thats similar to what you would expect from a Neomorph/Human Hybrid by ForbiddenScrolls
This one actually looks a bit like the IDEA had in my head for a Hybrid in one of the Stories i had thought of a Few Years ago that would have been a Parallel Alien 4, the idea i had would have been like this but more of a Elongated Head, and something Body Wise would have looked like a Cross Between the Neomorph/Proto-Xenomorph, well the Failed Ripley 4/5 and Clone Xenomorph at the time i was thinking of this Idea.
It shows the scope to introduce Hybrids, and having something a little Different.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I think the second model is better- it might look even creepier if it had human flesh tone instead of the greenish shade here. It should also make some weird sounding human like noises- almost like it is trying to speak- a bit like the Newborn.
One thing that bothers me about seeing the eye sockets is that there should be eyes in them or else they are kind of pointless.
These 2 hybrids, they look too dumb to be scary. It's like a facehugger stumbled upon a mummy and the Mask.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
Hmm....I like that greenish one (not your pic daliens).
But whatever is dripping out of its mouth looks too thick to be android blood so........................
Actually both of them seem to be alien hybrids of Eddie of Iron Maiden. I knew they looked so familiar.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
dk it seems it has just been facehugged
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
BD:
“Some are Wishfully thinking David does-not create the Xenomorph... maybe this can be changed.”
I hope so, at least they can try to not make it worse than it already is, that could be one step in a better direction. They could have him in a small portion of the movie but not make it about him, that is a difference. Having it about him is the problem not that he is in it at all because he was interesting in Prometheus.
About what kind of life that he wants to make could work as long as he is not the creator of the original Xeno and as long that he is not the movie so to speak. More HR Giger aesthetics could be nice which is not to say that all of the movie needs to be built on that but it could be a part. Look at how Tim Burton makes his things, dark and that.
“Tampering with LIFE that would imprint some Traits of the Xenomorph could have Dire Consequences. “
That is an interesting idea, a movie based on that is something that I could accept. Get the right story and well made human characters and it could probably be better than both P and AC, which would not be very difficult but anyways.
The worms to Hammerpedes were interesting because it showed what the goo could make. Milburn was stupid but that is another issue, they should have had the scene where he saw something easier before (a worm or what ever it was).
“So what happens when things go to POT!”
Hadley’s hope * 10? (Bigger area) As far as the spores are concerned, I think that was interesting because it showed what the goo could do. That is one of the things that I liked about Covenant.
“We still need some Answers.... and so Discovering a Disabled David to just activate and get some information from like they did with Bishop in Alien 3 is something they could explore....
The LONGER a sequel takes... the more likely this would be Davids Role/Fate!”
I could be OK with that, let it take time. I was alright with how they did with Bishop in Alien 3. The difference is that Bishop was a likable character and David is an asshole.
Seeing how the Engineers would react to the bombing by David would be interesting if they involve that part but don’t have that at the expense of the human characters.
About Xenos, Neos, and that I am fine with new monsters. They could just show the Xeno as a small part of it but then you also have people that are interested in the monster itself even though that is not what I am about when it comes to the movies even though it is interesting to see what they can come up with.
“Maybe there has to be some Compromise?”
Maybe, it got to improve from Covenant which is not a very difficult thing to do.
“For those who DONT want a David movie, well a Aftermath could show what happens when these Beings had Revolted Against David...”
That could be interesting, it depends on the story and characters but if they think it through it might work.
“This would be more interesting if they are NOT your traditional Humans but Enhanced... "
Any of those could work as long as they are well done.
“I feel HOWEVER that most Alien Fans would rather see a incoming Human Ship arrive at a World that would be kind of like a Worse Case than turning up to Planet 4 and coming across the SPORES and Davids Eggs in the Cathedral/Citadel”
The risk is that it would be a repeat of AC, you got to do something else. At the same time AC was different from Prometheus so maybe something else could be done if there is the next movie, that is the story is not very much based on David at all because it would allow more creative freedom.
“Now he could create a variant of the Xenomorph, that would also be a AI... just as the Xenomorph is.”
Maybe, it just seems confusing what he (Scott) says sometimes.
Ha Ha!
I dont mean exactly the same... i think a combination of both with a different skin tone... No-Eyes look of the 2nd one onto the First One (eye socket dude) then maybe that could be interesting?
@Thoughts_Dreams
I have mentioned this a number of times to your (dont want a David Movie) comments... they are very Valid, because i think the Majority would be in a similar boat to you... They should have gave the Fans a ALIENY movie, that does-not connect to David and Dr Shaw... say they (other Mission/Humans) go to LV-223.
Then leaves David to go off and have his Davids Odyssey Prequels. that DONT connect to ALIEN or the Xenomorph.
But ALAS!
Now we are in Direct ALIEN Prequel Territory, Fans are not going to want to SIT THROUGH more than 30 Min of What Lovely World David has Built Plot!
So indeed something more like What Kind of a World has David $£%^$^ UP... may be more fitting!
The Covenant intended to go to Origae-6 as some NEW Start a NEW Eden.... those Colonist Totally Unaware of what happened in Alien Covenant.... any other Secondary Mission to Origae-6 would be expecting to reach a very EARTH like World where the Covenant Colony has been set up.
INSTEAD they Discover HELL...
Again i think Fans would not want to SIT THOUGH a Movie about David... so we have to arrive at a point AFTER this World David had created maybe for Kind Intentions has gone TITS-UP..
Taking into ACCOUNT a lot of Fans Likes/Dislikes i have came up with a ALIEN 5 idea i will post on here at some point over the NEXT 4-7 Days... its a Continuation of Alien Resurrection.
At the same time i have just had a idea for a Alien Covenant 2 that would try and please everyone... which would be a After-Math like movie, that will show David Redeem himself (small role) and will continue with the Themes of Prometheus (Creation, Rebellion and Retribution).
To give the idea away a little.... you see David may want to Create his own Humanity, because in Prometheus he appeared to be Neglected by Mankind, but the Alien Covenant Trailer Song by AURORA i think is very fitting to Davids Journey and he did say to Daniels if we are KIND it would be KIND world.
So David could have intentions of Creating a Paradise for Humans he would Engineer/Perfect... but the Hubris would be in Perfecting these beings... he could Create a Superior Race who REBEL against him... Dethrone him!
We get this via Flash Backs... because we arrive at a incoming Human Ship with more Colonist and Supplies... they arrive at Origae-6 and see the Colony has been set-up but there is a lack of Technology, its like a Middle Aged Settlement...
The incoming Humans Arrive... and they discover there is something DIFFERENT with these other Humans... as Questions Start, we get a Sinister Turn, where the incoming Humans are at the Peril of these other Humanoids.
Some that escape discover David's Corpse.. they Activate Him and he tells them what he did and WHY, and how he regrets it... he WANTS Revenge against his Rebellious Creations and he informs the Surviving Humans about another Creation... he says he has to Unleash his Wolf on his Lambs... and says THIS Beast would be the ONLY defense they would have against the THREAT of these Humanoids...
This is when we can introduce the Xenomorph... which would then infect those Humans, while some escape and the Xenomorphs would go on to KILL those Humanoids David had created... and infect some of them...
As the Human Survivors Escape... as they arrive at their Main Ship, they discover another Ship has arrived a Weyland-Yutani Military/Science Ship...
This can lead to the 2nd Movie or the 3RD act if the Movie idea spans say 2.5hrs
In a Sequel.
This can lead to them going down to clear up the Xenomorphs and Davids other Creations... but reveal a attempt to obtain the Xenomorph but then the Engineers Rock Up!
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I presume it is safe to say that you are a bit obsessive dismissing the central if not the biggest character in the Prometheus and Alien Covenant.
At this point, what you are really doing is ruling out the few semi-feasible ideas floating around. And it is not like there are many of those to choose from and dismiss this, that or the other. Yet here you are, kicking BigDave into fetal position over and over.
Have you put out any possible scenario for future follow-up of your own in any considerable details? Perhaps some particularly interesting aspects or key ideas that you deem worthy pursuing? Please, consider putting a meaningful effort into this and let us see the results.
not many fans of David are here, ay?
With David gone, you get an end to the journey of Peter Weyland to immortality. I question if it should be dismissed and abandoned by focusing on a rather already thin and bankrupt alien xeno species?
It also will not make a lot of sense, given the constraints of screen time and scope where the sequel should indeed march towards the inevitable, to introduce yet another species or another unknown and therefore intriguing mystery, be it engineers or some aspect of them or about them. Don't you get overwhelmed at some point seeing no end of the same trick being played again and again? Santa Barbara in space? The world is rich as is and doesn't need introduction of other mystical creatures to play out any interesting ideas. So no engineer world exploration. None of that gimmick.
For the sake of Peter Weyland and his journey, David as his descendant needs to leave some form of enduring concept if he is to be ejected because of the pressure by alien fans. Otherwise, what is the point of Prometheus, Weyland and his journey? With David gone Weyland's spirit is erased in that imaginary Alien universe. It will remain only as a nonsensical name, a brand of some mega corporation without any being(artificial or otherwise) that can claim to be a descendant of illustrious and worthy Weyland. Ironically, David is also the carrier of Shaw's spirit. Long story short - you get rid of him, you can actually forget watching Prometheus.
For me David is what Peter wanted to be, but couldn't. In fact Peter envied David. They are actually one and the same character - both ruthless, a bit egoistic(understatement) and grandiose. Of course, they are both worth their salt. So what shall be the legacy of Weyland/David? I think BigDave got it right - it has to be the next step of evolution of mankind. And they should be practically immortal - something that Weyland wanted for himself.
However, given the constraints there won't be any world building, terraforming and all that for these creatures. What should happen is this: we are shown how these perfect humans are engineered by David, he makes a few(most? all? of the embryos) of these while on the Covenant on the path to Origae-6. And when he reaches the destination - he only finds a barren planet that will not sustain life for his children. Of course, humans on earth made a mistake expecting the planet to be wonderful - after all it is only human to make mistakes, ay David? At this point, Planet 4 or the Earth is the only known places that can sustain life. And both of these planets are soon to be full of humans. Now, of course, these sub-humans are not life worthy and dangerous to David and his ilk. So he has got to do what he has to do - sometimes to create one has to ...
It is only handy that he has his other children - another perfect organism which will no doubt do the job. So he will have the remaining colonists converted into eggs, load them up on one of those ships on LV-223 and go bomb the Earth. That is the plan anyway. There is not enough of eggs to be made from human colonists so some of his new children will have to be sacrificed for the greater good, according to David anyway. Except that his children might not like his idea completely. How do they settle the argument?
Nice night for a walk : washday tomorrow, nothing clean, right?
The answer is irrelevant. Have a good journey...
BioDegradable Very interesting. It also seems pretty consistent with some things BD hasn't publicly posted.
"Yet here you are, kicking BigDave into fetal position over and over."
I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and i do think a lot of Fans have become Tired of David, the way he was executed in Alien Covenant as far as his Character Development, we also see that most of the things Fans could have looked forwards to had been KILLED off by the Actions of this Psychotic Synthetic.... so he gets the blame for that... when in reality its the Studio who had made those changes and David could have been done better...
I think the main Problem is the Franchise Prequels are Centered around David, more so now that the Engineers are taken out as far as being able to get answers to their Agenda such as Questions Dr Shaw would have wanted answered. so for MANY fans the Alien Franchise should not be about a ANDROID....
Were as RS appeared to want to Branch off to do something else, and have a Few Movies that are not a ALIEN as per say Franchise.
Ridley Scott had some Grand Ideas on how to expand the Franchise beyond Eggs and Queens.... but by Virtue of going a Direct Prequel route the expectation has to be to be about the Xenomorph and NOT a Rogue Robot!
Sadly it is a Consequence of Prometheus being a movie that DID-NOT offer enough clues to the Xenomorph Origin or Derelict, and it had little in the way of Xenomorph like Attack Scenes.. HAD they made a Prequel that introduced a little more of these ELEMENTS from say Alien Engineers, then they could have CLOSED the Door to ALIEN and then a Prometheus Sequel could have explored the Davids Odyssey and not be Shackled Down by the Xenomorph/Direct Prequel Route.
I think its about finding the Balancing Act now... but the Fanbase is so Fractured to what they want/dont want.. and in Hindsight i think the Prequels should have maybe played it a bit more SAFE and not been too adventurous.
Which would be a shame... because as i am sure RS was thinking, ONCE you give the Xenomorph Origins... its a case of WHAT NEXT?
The Logical Point would be to explore the Weyland Company as far as WHY it always had this Agenda, and also more so the SPACE JOCKEY Race... and the whole Creation/Creators Plot was BOLD but maybe too Grand for the Alien Franchise... but thats the thing he was trying to expand to something else and not be about QUEENS and EGGS.
You make a Good Point BioDegradable by asking if we took out David, what is there next to do? And so trying to conclude the Prequels, but by having David be in effect what happened with Dr Shaw in Alien Covenant would render most of Prometheus NULL... unless the Engineers return...
It would be interesting to see how Fans who would not want to see David again/much and to see WHAT route do we go instead? Introducing NEW Characters is all Good, but they have to be Well Done and some of them have to Survive the Next Movie... we cant keep introducing Characters for ONLY a single Movie!
I feel its a shame that a lot of what Prometheus opened up, seems to be falling to the wayside.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
"BioDegradable Very interesting. It also seems pretty consistent with some things BD hasn't publicly posted."
Not sure what you mean DK?
"What should happen is this:"
I would think that Origae-6 would have to be Somewhat Sustainable, i cant see it being Totally Hostile.. but YES people can make Mistakes... so indeed maybe Origae-6 would not be the Paradise they thought...
But i would still think it would have to be at least like what we saw with LV-223... which is where David could then Engineer Humans to be able to Survive on this World.
Any incoming Human Ship would maybe get close enough to detect that the Planet is NOT as viable.... and realize they made a mistake.... YET the Covenant is there, and they have detected signs of Life... as they get closer they detect a Colony that should not be there (after they determine Humans Cant/Should Not be able to Survive out in the open). So they would be intrigued and when they land and Space Suit up, what kind of a Shock would they have when they Discover Humans that can Survive on the Surface and have been Engineered somewhat?
Looking at your idea however.... i assume what you refer to is that David has a Agenda for his Creations, but discovers that Origae-6 is a World they would not be able to INHABIT so he makes a Plan with them, which would require some Sacrifice, to go to EARTH and Destroy all Mankind so that his Humanoid Creations can Inherit the Earth?
So at some point he gets to LV-223 to Mass Create Xenomorph Eggs, and Loads them up on maybe ONE or more Ships and then attempts to go to Earth? I guess this would make a ONE movie connection to ALIEN... because and i dont mean to come across Disrespectful i just feel to make this work in TWO movies, which would appear to be based on David Conducts experiments on the Covenant, then they change direction to go to LV-223 to Mass Produce Eggs and then load them on the Derelict and ATTEMPT to leave for Earth.... which we clearly know was not a Success.
The Problem is what dialog do we have, would dialect between David and his Humanoids work? We would need to have Human Characters involved.
while its a Good Point that Time Restraints do limit what you can do with a Sequel, as far as World Building (if David Engineers Humanoids, they could have Rapid Growth Rate like Clones) but i see the point you tried to raise.
But a Problem is still the Time Restraints, we are in the Year 2105 at the time David has tucked everyone into SLEEP.. the Covenant Ship would arrive on Origae-6 in the Year 2112, leaving 10 Years until ALIEN... for him to then head to LV-223 would then take us to the Year 2119/2120 which leaves 2-3 years before ALIEN.
But i guess if most of Davids Engineering Humanoids happens on the Journey to Origae-6 he could then further do more experiments on the way to LV-223, its a Question then of HOW-LONG is he on LV-223 and does he MASS Produce the Eggs on LV-223 and how long would this take.
Then its a case of does most the Movie revolve around experiments and Human Hybrids?
I think any sequel we have to look at Davids Agenda..
Looking alone at AC and the Advent, if it was to Destroy Mankind, then it would be to LV-223, pick up a Engineer Ship and arrive on Earth and UNLEASH HELL!
If David instead has a Fascination with his Xenomorph, then this could take longer and would require the use of all those Colonist and Embryo's and then i feel taking a Ship to Earth would be risky with Eggs because we have to ask HOW do they deploy them?
If David wishes to create his own Humanoids... then using the Black Goo on Earth would render the World Hostile to his Humanoid Creations.... so Xenomorphs would be better, if they have a Limited Life Span!
If we looked at the Advent and assumed David only wants to Create his Xenomorphs, and a Queen then the route to this would not be that HARD and he could do most of it on the Covenant, and Further Experiments on LV-223 which then he would want to LOAD them onto a Engineer Ship, what we have to ask is where is any Dialect going to come from? We would need some Human Interaction.
So the only way this works is that David arrives on LV-223 begins Create his Army of Eggs, but then a Human Ship turns up.. Giving us a bit of a Prometheus, meets Alien Covenant with more Action so meets Aliens kind of Flick.
Which to be fair would be the most Easy (Lazy) way to get the Prequels to ALIEN and give Fans a more Alieny Flick.
Which then we could assume Davids message about the Covenant Mission is a Red Herring to Lure Humans to Origae-6, so he can continue with his Experiments Far away... but in reality... David just needed to NOT mention anything about his Wolves.. as by Virtue of the Advent, the Company would surely go to LV-223 and maybe Planet 4
Again however here lies a Prequel that could connect to ALIEN and not include David (much) .... a Mission to Planet 4, Neomorphs and Xenomorphs and then Engineers Rock Up.... they then take the Xenomorphs to LV-223 to Mass Produce them and Voila! ALIEN here we come...
Leaving a different Kind of Movie to be set around David and Origae-6
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could have explored the Davids Odyssey
It was never been David's Odyssey. It was Shaw's Odyssey.
not been too adventurous.
Disagree. Adventure - the best aspect of Prometheus. And David-Lowrence better than David-Moreau. He should be a bridge between Shaw and Engineers. They both should explore and discover the new worlds and meet ancient races.
I find it all rather unfortunate at this point, that this is just a no frills, connect the dots type of plot. It is lazy, lousy, unoriginal and wholly uninteresting. But given the screen time constraints of about 150 minutes and the inevitable final destination on the LV-426, there is not really much scope to do anything grandiose and interesting in the next installment. Seems like so, but who knows.
Now, back to that plot.
The WY knows that Peter Weyland went missing on LV-223 on his Prometheus mission and one can see from the Alien Covenant and the Prometheus ending sequence that Shaw's final message ( that the whole mission has died on LV-223, that there is nothing but death there ) hasn't reached WY HQ, located presumably on earth, because the Oram's Covenant crew were quite oblivious to David and knew very little about Shaw and her fate. The fact that the fate of Peter Weyland is in limbo furnishes a way for WY to send another mission to discover of what has happened to him - ergo, it is possible that there was a manned crew, armed to the teeth(marines! just like "fans" want), on its way to LV-223 which was sent at a point in time not much longer after Covenant was launched on its mission. This is the human part.
Meanwhile, we have Walter on Planet 4 being picked up, perhaps re-animated and re-invigorated by the lovely engineers, who show up to discover their playground destroyed. They want revenge :) Walter will oblige and tell them everything. It transpires that Origae-6 is a barren piece of nasty rock, not particularly accommodating for humanoids and in their infinite wisdom they guess and preempt that David will go to LV-223 to carry out his plan, where he will arm himself and his children in order to clear the earth for themselves.
David knows that engineer technology is superior to human tech(remember his admiration and awe when he showed Weyland the bridge of the engineer ship). He will make sure his children are capable to use and re-use the tech once used by the engineers. And after reaching Origae-6, he will steer the Covenant to LV-223.
The rendezvous. A colossal struggle takes place on the planetoid. And the end result is that, you guessed it, some being strapped in the seat of a juggernaut on LV-426. Who the lonely chap is not that important. Could be David or one of his bastards.
The end.
This type of mind-numbing plot has a side benefit that most of the characters/parties from previous movies are utilized. You get a high paced non-stop action movie with aliens, engineers, humans, synthetics and as a bonus some other species. Most importantly, however, it features MARINES with lots of GUNS, other weapons with many explosives. You surely can't beat this, right?
I just wish that instead of this shit-show they would give Ridley Scott freedom to do whatever he wants and continue without regards and constraints, even that of the alignment with the 1979 movie.
Nice night for a walk : washday tomorrow, nothing clean, right?
The answer is irrelevant. Have a good journey...