Dead in the Water?

"What movies star is going to want to play a Engineer?"

I think it depends on the Plot..... it does-not have to be a Well Known Actor.....  with ALIEN the cast was basically NOT well known... same can be said for a number in Prometheus and Alien Covenant.

The Problem comes down to really what the PLOT is and HOW the Engineers will be played...

A all Engineer Scene does-not require any Major Special Effects or 7ft Actors..

The Problem really is how LONG would such scenes be, and HOW much Dialog, and then its a case of which Actors would want to play SMALL ROLES or ones where they have to SPEAK in a Alien/Ancient Language with Sub Titles.

And its how deep these scenes are and detailed and if MOST FANS would be interested....

Connecting with a ALIEN Species like the Engineers and seeing them have a number of scenes with Dialog and having to rely on Subtitles may make Fans not FEEL any Connection..

You would have to have scenes were the Engineers are interacting with Humans.... the Problems then become as Follows..

*Size:  if they dont use Special Effects and Camera Trickery (which LOTR did or even the Christmas Movie ELF) then your going to need 7ft+ Actors which could limit the Range/Quality of the Acting.

*Dialog: its then how do they Communicate? do we have to have a Android Interpreter or a Single Character who does this, and what about Subtitles!

Thats not to say they could NOT have tackled this...

But then its a case of WHEN and WHERE does these Scenes Take Place?  In the PAST (Flashback)

The best chance they had was with a Prometheus Sequel

Dr Shaw and David arrive at a Engineer World that is FAR FAR away, they discover only a Small Number of Engineers.

Then either David teaches Dr Shaw some Engineer during the Journey, or the Engineers have a way to allow Dr Shaw to understand them... and so we can have a FEW Lines in Sub-titles but then they all Speak English for Convenience to the Audience.

I think the BIG Problem is i dont think MANY of the Fans want to see our Engineers in a deep way, showing us what they Created, why they visited us and all that Chariots of the Gods stuff...

I think they would only be interested in Engineers like in Prometheus (LV-223) and their Bio-Mechanical Technology, but to a Greater Level than we saw in Prometheus.

And they would want to only see them Portrayed as BAD ASSES... like the Predators, and only interested in the Technology/Ships and Xenomorph/Experiment Connections and NOT what ever Shenanigans they get up to Visiting Worlds and handing out Star Maps/Teaching stuff.

So i think Fans would want to see our Engineers Return as in...

Rock Up in their Ships and with their Experiments and Unleash Hell....

Discover a Ship or Outpost and Activate a Hologram that shows us a Little, then we get a Flash Back Scene.

I dont think the Fans would want to be seeing much TALKING from the Engineers, just see them KILLING STUFF like we see with the Predators.

It would be bad if the Engineer thing is killed off, that was one of the things that Prometheus did right. Unfortunately they were removed from AC apart from that short scene it the beginning. Hopefully Disney will not take this as the important thing is the Xeno, that would be a mistake.

Keep the Engineers, improve the characters, and keep a clearer tie to Alien compared to what Prometheus did. By Engineers I mean similar to those in Prometheus, not in Covenant because they looked less impressive in AC. I would like to see more about their culture, their science, religion, warfare and their connection to the monsters. Throw Alien Covenant in the trash-can and start from Prometheus is a possibility.

Not interested in a re-boot of the Alien movies. Maybe make something that is tied to the company in some way. An Engineer spin-off could be interesting. Remove the android angle because that is boooring, at least if it would be like it is now with no human characters to care about.

As long as they do not get the human characters right it will be dead to me but of course the story must be interesting too. I recently re-watched Alien 3 and I really like it, that was the last time that they did many human characters right. Even those that do not have big parts in it do their best to get it right. Hell even those that had small parts in Alien 3 made a better job than most of those in Prometheus and Covenant. Keep Scott far from the writing because that is not what he is good at. The humans and their journey and what they go through is what the whole franchise is about to me, not the Xenos or the Engineers.

Why can't they make characters that are at least close to the first three? Something is wrong about the characters in the prequels but I am not sure why. There has to be someone out there that can write the characters so they are at least somewhat relatable because we have not had that in this franchise for so long and that is why the prequels have failed this far, despite that they are good visually and that they have interesting themes but that is not enough for me.

The Xenos is not what it should be about but at least they should not be done by David, that he was responsible for the original version. Having him as the creator sucks and is one of the biggest mistakes that they have done in the prequels.

Having another queen is boring, it is good that the prequels have avoided that. The goo is interesting and I would rather have that than another movie where we see another queen that has been done to death if you ask me. As flawed as AC is at least they tried the spores which was interesting.

Please do not make a movie that retcons Alien 3, Alien Resurrection is another thing though.

". By Engineers I mean similar to those in Prometheus, not in Covenant because they looked less impressive in AC. I would like to see more about their culture, their science, religion, warfare and their connection to the monsters"

I think discovering some of these things would be Interesting but i dont think we can IGNORE the Planet 4 Engineers, i think we have to EXPLORE as to WHY they looked different.

I think the Prometheus Engineers are more like the Replicants were, and so a Hubris Tale about how those Engineers either Created a Sub-Creation to Carry Out Tasks... or that another Group of Engineers had Evolved themselves..

I think either such ARC could be how to expand on the Engineers.

We can also see that our FUTURE is to Carry Out the same Hubris in the Creation of David, or IF some Humans would Genetically Engineer themselves as a Super-Human Race.

In either case then Mankind would be seen as Inferior and a PLOT by these Genetically Engineered Humans or AWOL Synthetics could be a likely Outcome...

And so maybe the same Happened between those LV-223 Engineers and the ones on Planet 4?

If we look at David's Story... i think this would and should be CLOSE to the STORY of the LV-223 Engineers.

LV-223 Engineers Rebel, and they TRY and Create something NEW that is NOT in the Image of their Inferior Creators who they may find a Mockery..   The LV-223 Experiments are BORN!

The same Process happens to David, and he takes the Engineers Experiments to Further Create something that is NOT in the image of his Creator... and the Planet 4 Experiments are BORN!

The Hierarchy of the Engineers Return, they Discover how Mankind had Created a Superior Being.. (David) and how this Superior Being had Created a more Superior Destroyer (Xenomorph)

And this incoming Species (or LV-223 Type Engineers) then decide to Create a Amalgamation of David and his Xenomorph.... on LV-223

But someone ATTEMPTS to Prevent this and DESTROYS LV-223 but ONE Ship manages to Escape but the Destruction of LV-223 Creates a Temporary Tear in Space/Time that sends this SHIP to Crash on LV-426 some Thousands of Years ago.

I feel thats the BEST way to Take the Engineers and PLOT now...

We can have another Movie SET after Alien 3 or Alien R where some Humans will END-UP on another Very Very Distant Engineer/Space Jockey World to Expand on them more.

I dont think some Fans would want this, and i dont think Disney would bother... they would rather have Revelations that the Xenomorph is a Ancient Parasitic Egg Laying Organism the Space Jockey Discovered...

And it will be about QUEENS and EGGS and Marines.

I would say the Engineers are DEAD!

Disney would be foolish to waste the David character established by Prometheus and Alien: Covenant. Ironically, after Covenant landed in theaters, the consensus seemed to be that the beast WAS cooked after all and that fans and audiences actually wanted to see more of what Ridley originally set out to do with Prometheus. It's unfortunate Fox caved to the will of those criticizing the lack of Xenomorph-mayhem in Prom.

I don't think Alien is dead in the water - it's too big of a property to deny and Disney will want to recoup some of their investment - they paid a pretty penny to buy out Fox's film assets.

Keep in mind - they are still releasing the next few Avatar sequels which have had zero interest for almost a decade now. I see them developing another film and likely a Disney+ series like previously rumored in the near future. It was 5 years between Prometheus and Alien: Covenant. It's only been 3 years since Covenant released - don't stress.

Chris

They don't have to throw him away totally but reduce his role and make better human characters. Sorry but I have no feelings for a rape-y robot. If I want to watch a movie about robots, I would watch Terminator. Now, I respect that people have different opinions about it but if we watch how many people watched Covenant I would say that the interest was not that great, at least you can agree with me on that one, right?

Ridley thought that the beast was cooked, I would like to see data that supports that the fans think so. I think that they can try different monsters and not have the actual Xeno in it but I am not tired of it. What I am tired of is poorly written and/or executed human characters and the total focus on a crazy robot. To me it has always been about the human journey (which I figured out after thinking about what I enjoy about the alien movies and why some of them do not work).

The Engineers are interesting but they threw that aside because they thought that people wanted Xenos. I looked around the www and saw more complaints about characters doing stupid things, less people seemed concerned about the lack of Xenos. Fox misunderstood it if you ask me.

"It's only been 3 years since Covenant released - don't stress."

If I would be a fan of Covenant I would be worried but I am not. They should either cut off the prequels or make better human characters and have less David, I am tired of the android story.

According to Box Office Mojo we can see Alien Covenant made less than Prometheus.

Prometheus https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1063945729/

AC https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl696026625/

If the android story is so fantastic why did the profits decline that much from one movie to another? With that in mind it would be fairly stupid to continue to have the focus on a crazy robot even though I respect that some people are interested in David. Art is subjective so that is alright if you have another opinion but I do not agree about this topic.

If we look at Tomatometer for audience score Prometheus gets 68 percent, and Covenant gets 55.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_covenant

Box office RT $74,255,908 https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_covenant

Box office RT $126,464,904 https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012

Both the general score for Prometheus is higher than Covenant and also Covenant made less of a profit, this is both according to BOM and RT. Some people like the android story but if we look at the numbers it seems to me that a lot of people did not. Because it is like a franchise where they compare profits from one movie to another it would be kind of dumb to make another movie about an artificial megalomaniac/rapist. The interest for another crazy robot movie just does not seem to be there in general which to me is a good thing. At least AC is better than the AVP-movies and AR (not sure if I prefer it to Prometheus since the amount of well-written characters are about the same in both).

BD: Sure I do not say that we must ignore the ones on Planet 4 but I would prefer if the focus is on those in Prometheus since they seem more interesting. At the same time I also think that it could be interesting to see why they look different. My idea is that the big ones are like enhanced ones that carry out warfare while those that we saw in AC were like civilians.

It is more to discover than queens and marines if you ask me.

"And so maybe the same Happened between those LV-223 Engineers and the ones on Planet 4?"

That might be the case, if they make it interesting then sure why not. There could be different reasons for it but as long as it is interesting and makes sense then I am all for it.

"IF some Humans would Genetically Engineer themselves as a Super-Human Race."

That could be interesting if they have that in the franchise and the Engineers discover that. Imagine what kind of trouble that would mean for the humans. Sure it would reduce the role of the Xeno but that does not need to be a bad thing since I look at it as being about mankind.

"(David) and how this Superior Being had Created a more Superior Destroyer (Xenomorph)"

Logically it makes sense but I do not want David to be the creator of the Xeno. I would like the Engineers to be those that create it or that make a superior version of it. Maybe neither David nor the Engineers made the first one?

"But someone ATTEMPTS to Prevent this and DESTROYS LV-223 but ONE Ship manages to Escape but the Destruction of LV-223 Creates a Temporary Tear in Space/Time that sends this SHIP to Crash on LV-426 some Thousands of Years ago."

Perhaps that could work, movies have to work logically otherwise it is like "huh?", or "this is boring", or "this doesn't make sense" which is probably what a lot of people think about the prequels right now.

@Chris

I agree i dont think this is the END of the Franchise, i am sure we would get another ALIEN Movie eventually, the Subject i was talking about with he OT is that i dont think we would ever Explore the Engineers Background much as far as Depth, such as the WHOLE.. Gardeners of Space, the Chariots of the Gods..

And so i fee IF we do see them again, it would only be limited to seeing them just as we saw the Engineers in the Fire and Stone Comics and so we would just get these LV-223 Types who just Rock Up and Kick Ass....  and who will NOT ask Questions or Give Answers.....

And so i think we would UNLIKELY see more Interaction or Information about the Engineers, than we did with the Predators in the Various Movies they had appeared in.

Which i fee would be a Shame.....

"Ridley thought that the beast was cooked, I would like to see data that supports that the fans think so"

I think Ridley Scott was looking at it from how OVERDONE the Beast has been done, and i dont think he means as FAR as the Movies Alone.... we have seen Xenomorphs kind of done to Death... the Traditional Kind.

In regards to Movies the General Public would not get the same Impression of the Xenomorph that was from the First TWO Movies....  to a degree he is RIGHT in that Alien Resurrection did kind of Reduce the Xenomorph, i mean the Aliens were dispatched by the Team of Essentially Space Pirates...  and the Queen well she was KILLED by the disappointing New Born with EASE!

Did the Xenomorphs gain back their Fearsome Reputation in AVP?  Not so much.... and we best NOT mention AVPR!

So what RS was looking at is there is only so MUCH you can do with the Xenomorph before you have to think about other things.. something New/Fresh and Unexplored, which is WHY he felt the Engineers/Space Jockey should be the way to go....  Especially if the Xenomorph to them was just a Engineered Bio-Weapon... we could look at what else is there about the SPACE JOCKEY and their Agenda besides Eggs and Queens...

IF they had just done a Alien Prequel that 100% showed what happened to the Derelict and we got the Xenomorphs Origins instead of Prometheus and so we HARDLY touch upon the Space Jockey..... then ONCE you have the Xenomorph Origins and HOW/WHEN/WHY they Ended Up on the Derelict, its a case of WHATS NEXT?

As far as the Xenomorph!

The Prequel Plot opened up the Engineers, a Ancient Race who had Seeded Many Worlds.... HOW MANY other Races had they Created?  How many Conflicts had they been involved in and How Many Horrors had they Created/Unleashed.

Rather than Confine it to the BOX of ALIEN and Egg, Face Hugger, Chest Buster, Xenomorph and Queen with Very Limited Variation between them.

Ridley Scott had said prior and after Alien Covenant that it was maybe a mistake to have Drifted Too Far from the Beast, he felt you could give it a FEW more Rounds, but you have to Evolve Him, you have to look at other Alternatives and ways of Procreation.

I think he is Right with that Statement...

But you will have Fanboys who dont like Change.... who wont Accept Change, like with Star Wars there was Complaints about the Clone Troopers, the First Order Troopers and Sith Troopers because some Fanboys just like their EP4-EP6 versions and so Rogue One pleased them!

A bit of CHANGE is Good as long as you dont STRAY too FAR away so you can see some Connection with the Originals.

Regarding ALIEN it is about the Characters as we will be seeing the Horror through their Perspective, i think with ALIEN and ALIEN 3 you could replace the Xenomorph with a Neomorph or Deacon and the Movies would still have WORKED!

I think with ALIENS and AVP etc then they would not work as well as the Xenomorphs.

Regarding the Engineers....

I think Thoughts_Dreams that indeed the Bio-Mechanical Engineers from Prometheus seemed more Interesting.

They looked more Superior to Humans, its a Shame they never looked like 9-10ft Tall, but they looked Enigmatic none the less....

Our Planet 4 Engineers did look too close to Humans...

I think there is a STORY to be Told regarding the History and Differences between them, that can be explored in a Number of Ways...

I think you can have BOTH kinds of Engineers, and it would Work, but they have to MERGE the Ancient looking Planet 4 and the more Technological LV-223 Aesthetics...

Planet 4 did have some signs of Technology and we NEVER got to look inside every Building and so Inside we may have seen some?   David's notes did seem to show they relied more on Ancient Technology for the most Part.

They was basically acting like the Engineers version of say Amish Community and so maybe discovering WHY would be interesting.

As Mankind Evolves... we Embrace Technology, we do not devote ourselves to Religion or Rituals anymore, the way we ACT and Live is Different compared to say 500+ Years ago.

While there are many Benefits to HOW we Live today, there are Downfalls.... Imagine in 500 Years what we could be like?

The Elites Genetically Engineer themselves or Create Clone Bodies to USE when they Die/Injured (Movies like The Sixth Day and The Island) what becomes of the Rest of Mankind?

Do we Engineer Bio-Weapons that get out of Control, like what happened on LV-223 or like Various other Movies that lead to Disease etc... you could say like the Movie I am Legend

Do we Eventually Nuke our Planet to Death.... reducing it to like the Movie Planet of the Apes 1968 or does the Fall Out create Mutants and the Few Human Survivors are Pitted with the Few Mutants for who will take over the Earth?

Do we Genetically Experiment on Apes and get like the Planet of the Apes Reboot?  Or do we Genetically Engineer Super Soldiers who then TURN on us... much like a Universal Solider meets Blade Runner?

Or do we take A.I and Robotics too FAR and get a Terminator, I-Robot and Matrix like Scenario

Various Sci-Fi have touched on such HUBRIS of all of the above.... such Potential Miss-givings for Playing GOD!

None of these Threats applied to the Dark Ages before the Advent of Mankinds Industrial/Technological Revolution.

But ALL of them cant be RULED out if we let Science get too Out of Hand...  However IF we all abandoned our Technology and Science and Lived like the AMISH there would be NO THREAT of these things coming to PASS!

Could those Planet 4 Engineers have done the Same... after a Calamity they decided to Abandon Most of their Technology and Ways and Revert back to Ritual/Religious Ways?

Now lets IMAGINE if one of those Scenarios had Befallen Earth in the FUTURE but before things WENT so FAR to END Mankind.... some of us Escaped and onto a NEW Island or Planet like the Covenant Ship was attempting.

Could we decide to then ABANDON our Technology/Ways that we had Evolved to from say the 1800's On-wards?   To DO-SO in Order that the Calamity cant be Repeated again?

Maybe we would?

If we was Technologically the same as we was prior to say 1500 you could say the WORLD and Total Population would be NO-WHERE near the Dangers of Extinction or Irreversible Damage as we are NOW.... Technology lead us to this Path we are on NOW..

So similar could be used to Explain the Planet 4 Engineers, the other Explanations are they are a Colony of Genetic Stock for Seeding before things went to POT.

Or also that the LV-223 Engineers are either a Created Sub-Creation like the Replicants and David are to Mankind who have Rebelled... or they are a Faction of Engineers who Engineered themselves as Superior and became Perverted with their Quest to Enhance themselves and become the Ruling Faction of Engineers.

There is a HISTORY of the Engineers as far as the Planet 4 and LV-223 Engineers that could be Explored in a Number of Ways....   SADLY i cant ever see us Exploring it all.

BD

If he just means the original then maybe so, I like to see new variations of it though which I think that the prequels have managed to do despite of all their faults. Regarding comics and so on that might have contributed to it but I am not one of those that look up things that are considered expanded universe kind of things.

I am sorry but I laugh when you mention AVPR and for a good reason because it is a joke. Not only is it a joke if you look at the other alien movies but it is crap if you look at it alone.

The Engineers were interesting but I think that they should have had a better connection to the SJ and the monster. To have it just as an engineered bio-weapon could cheapen the Xeno but it could be interesting if it is done right but it is just too bad that it was not. I would rather have it being connected to the Engineers rather than having David being responsible for it.

"..... then ONCE you have the Xenomorph Origins and HOW/WHEN/WHY they Ended Up on the Derelict, its a case of WHATS NEXT?"

I agree that you can expand on it but you also need decent writers and a director that does nor interfere with the writing-process. You got to make it interesting and make sense and unfortunately they failed.

"Ridley Scott had said prior and after Alien Covenant that it was maybe a mistake to have Drifted Too Far from the Beast, he felt you could give it a FEW more Rounds, but you have to Evolve Him, you have to look at other Alternatives and ways of Procreation."

It depends on how you do it sure it was an alien prequel or maybe you could have called it a spin-off. A prequel to Alien means that you put more focus on the Xeno and a spin-off means to have less so the
Engineers fit into that.

"Regarding ALIEN it is about the Characters as we will be seeing the Horror through their Perspective, i think with ALIEN and ALIEN 3 you could replace the Xenomorph with a Neomorph or Deacon and the Movies would still have WORKED!"

I totally agree

You mentioned Star Wars, I like to see different things as long as they make sense. You mentioned different troopers and I think that is something interesting that they have done this far.

"I think there is a STORY to be Told regarding the History and Differences between them, that can be explored in a Number of Ways…"

As long as the story and characters are alright then I am open to it.

"I think you can have BOTH kinds of Engineers, and it would Work, but they have to MERGE the Ancient looking Planet 4 and the more Technological LV-223 Aesthetics…"

It kind of depends on how you do it, I think that The Lord of the Rings is a way to make it right. Maybe it could be interesting to see why the Engineers acted different, different kinds of living. That should have been better dealt with instead of just having David making some notes.

"Could we decide to then ABANDON our Technology/Ways that we had Evolved to from say the 1800's On-wards?   To DO-SO in Order that the Calamity cant be Repeated again?
Maybe we would?"

You could keep some and throw some away, it depends on what you need it for. I do not think that you can separate technology from the kind of society that you live in. Maybe you could have that in a movie in a way although I am not sure how it would be done but there were some interesting things in the buildings that we saw in Alien Covenant for even though we did not see a lot.

"I am sorry but I laugh when you mention AVPR"

Thats what i was saying.... AVPR made a Mockery of the Xenomorph.... but for Fans they can Pretend it Never Happened like i do with The Predator ;)

I think you have to be Careful with the Xenomorph as i think there is only so much you can do as far as Queen = Eggs..... before it can get STALE... you would be HARD pushed to make another ALIEN/ALIENS and your more likely to make another AVP/AVPR as far as Portrayal of the Xenomorph

As far as the Engineers i would say a Majority who would have Time for them would want to see them as far as WHY they are Connected to the Juggernaught Ships and Xenomorph and what KICK ASS sorts of Technology they have... much like how Fans like how the Predators are shown.

And LESS would be Willing to see the Engineers as far as the WHOLE Gods/Creators and Ancient Stuff... they be like that SHOULD-NOT be what the ALIEN Franchise is about...

But then RS had intended to Expand on the Engineers to make a Spin Off Franchise that is NOT about ALIEN.

If we do see the Engineers again... i DOUBT we would explore their Culture/History and it would purely be like Comics... so it be LV-223 Angry Engineers, Juggernaught Ships, and Black Goo/Eggs and Engineer Weapons like this.

I am sad to say but imo I think the whole wonder that we may have possibly seen (RS shown some balls) of the engineers is dead. the backstory of who they truly are, where theyr from, theyr connection to the original alien and all the other visions and routes possible for them after Prometheus has been completely ditched and theyl just be in the next one as plot and time filler. iv said it before and my opinion doesn't change about the direction RS after Prometheus. he simply sold out his vision. iv watched AC twice n there wont be a third. but hey, not like the big guy in the chair, who was he and his relationship to the eggs was ever a major reason to make the prequels..oh wait...............

I think RS continuing with the franchise is wishful thinking, but it could continue branching out in other forms. Underwater seems to have some possibilities. Mini series could go different ways too. Others like novels and comics as well. Judging by box office numbers, it's hard to see the franchise continue on the big screen.

ali81 You know it, admit it! David is the Space Jockey!

"iv said it before and my opinion doesn't change about the direction RS after Prometheus. he simply sold out his vision."

I think its a case of FOX did not like his Vision and wanted to make a Legitimate Alien Prequel and so RS likely just tried to IMPRINT some of his Vision into the PLOT.

That Vision being about Playing God, Sub-Creation and attempting to Create Perfection which can become a Hubris when you Create Something that you cant Control or that Rebels.

It will be interesting to come across the Earlier Abandoned Drafts where the Sequel to Prometheus was on HOLD until they brought in Dante Harper and John Logan... and by that i mean it would be interesting to see what STATE the Story was in when Micheal Green had taken the reigns from Jack Paglen and to look at what Greens work was about.

I would be WILLING to Bet that at this Point it was NOT going to Connect to ALIEN or explain the Derelict but it would have likely had David be shown to attempt to become his OWN Creator!

And so with FOX wanting the Xenomorph and a Prequel to Connect to ALIEN, then maybe RS could have been a bit Disappointed about NOT being able to Steer Away from those Eggs and Derelict and to revolve around Creation/Hubris and Engineers...

So maybe he was like "you want Fecking Aliens.. i give you Fecking Aliens... and i make David the Creator and see how you like your Spoon Fed Prequel NOW" ;)

so RS could go to FOX and be like "see we gave them Xenomorphs and the Movie still did-not go down well"

Which is why i think he mentioned in a Interview after Alien Covenant, that he Felt there was ONLY so much Snarling and Face Pulling you could do... and that he was AHEAD of the Curve with Prometheus.

You can sense he had MUCH BIGGER plans for the Franchise as far as to STEER AWAY from Alien, and so it seems he was not too pleased with the Direction..

But none the less FOX felt the Fans wanted their Answers to WHERE did the Xenomorph come from and HOW did those EGGS get on the Derelict.

And who knows..... we cant 100% Rule Out that David would had been revealed as the Space Jockey ;)

Sounds Plain Stupid?   Not if we Consider what a Ultimate Achievement of A.I and Genetic Engineering can Achieve...  we have to THINK about what Weyland had hoped to have Achieved?  a Magical Serum that would turn him back to a 40 Year Old Man... and Remain Immortalized in this FORM?

Or Speculatively are there others ways that maybe ONE could be given more LIFE or some what Immortality?

A Big Clue also being how RS had claimed those Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals and Live for about 150 Years... they definitely dont look like the Superior Looking Prometheus Engineers who live for Thousands of Years (Original Idea/Concept)

Come to think of it the ONLY real Human in the Franchise who maybe has some what of a Immortality is RIPLEY 8 ;)

I'm sorry, but nowhere else I have not seen confirmation that the Engineers on the Planet 4 are originals.

"and that he was AHEAD of the Curve with Prometheus."

So, this means that RS wanted to put in Prometheus is even less information? Wow!

The problem with AC - this is what Prometheus was supposed to be. But with the replacement of several parts. David instead Walter. The Last Engineer instead the David-Moreau. Yes it is.

I will have to try and Dig Up the Comment and Interview regarding the Engineers being the Originals but he 100% did make that Claim, among other things such as they Live for 150 Years and they are not a RACE but a Civilization.

These and other Comments regarding the Engineers after Alien Covenant could seem to Paint a Picture for us, but i guess we will NEVER know what his Intentions are any more.

By ahead of the Curve he means that Prometheus was not really about showing HOW the Xenomorph was Created and HOW it connects to the Engineers, it was  a Movie that was taking a look at other things and so it seemed he wanted to cover more about the Engineers and what their Agenda is as far as NOT just being about Creating Horrific Bio-Weapons to Unleash on Worlds and more so what the HELL had happened on LV-426...  But its these things that a lot of Fans are more Interested in.... which is the route that the Comics give which is just to make them a bit DUMB! and just are PISSED OFF with everything they Create and just go around Creating Xenomorphs and Stuff to KILL off what ever they Created..

I think RS was look at more DEPTH than that.... he wanted to STEER this Spin Off in a Direction thats AWAY from Eggs and Face Huggers and all that stuff.

I think maybe we have to wait and hope he if mentions anything related after he has Released his Raised by Wolves TV Series.

The Prometheus Plot was maybe too BOLD for the Alien Franchise especially in Context to Pop Corn Shoot Em Up version that a lot of the Comics, Games tend to revolve around and a ALIEN Prequel should have maybe just gone and made it SIMPLE and into a Starship Troopers with Queens, Eggs and Xenomorphs....

I think in Hindsight something a bit more ALIEN should have been Explored as far as what is ABOVE the Engineers, something more Lovecraftian but i doubt we would ever see anything like this.

"The problem with AC"

To a degree then YES as far as the Engineers would have been up to similar to what David had been up to in Alien Covenant.

BD

Oh, I would also like to see how they are connected to the Juggernaught and the Xeno but I would also like to know more about their culture, and so on. There are many things that you could do with it and I am not sure that Prometheus killed everyone's interest in it even though they could have executed the idea about the Engineers in a better way.

For example about something about the non-warfare thing about the Engineers that is interesting is the scene with the sacrificial Engineer. This is something about them that is not about kicking ass but it is interesting because it says something about their culture. You mention what it should be about, at least it is kind of close to the SJ which was interesting. You can say that David is a part because he is an android and that for example Bishop was interesting but at the same time the legacy of the SJ has a bigger impact of the story than the legacy of the androids (Engineers-SJ-monsters versus David-Ash-Bishop). If you make a better connection between the Engineers and the SJ and the Xeno it could work.

"… LV-223 Angry Engineers, Juggernaught Ships, and Black Goo/Eggs and Engineer Weapons like this."

I would like to see that but at the same time there are other things that they could have about them. They got to make them interesting and to have them making sense because I am not sure that Prometheus did that because they removed the subtitles that could have explained more what they are about. Not sure who's idea that it was to remove the subtitles but whoever was responsible for that made a crappy decision (not sure if was because of Scott, Fox, or whoever).

"That Vision being about Playing God, Sub-Creation and attempting to Create Perfection which can become a Hubris when you Create Something that you cant Control or that Rebels."

I think that the idea is alright but it could have been a better story and closer to Alien. The connection of the Xenos and the Engineers could have been interesting if we think about this but then we might never get to see that.

"… but it would have likely had David be shown to attempt to become his OWN Creator!"

But that could mean that it would still be about David right? That could mean that we still would have ended up with the disappointment that Alien Covenant became. I would rather have no movie at all if that would be the alternative.

". . . see we gave them Xenomorphs and the Movie still did-not go down well"

That is hardly why Alien Covenant was not very good. If that is his way of thinking then he does not understand the importance of characters since he mostly talks about the Xenos and his dislike for them and David means that he still does not or at least underestimates the importance of relatable human characters.

"Sounds Plain Stupid?"

Scientifically it might work but story-wise it sucks balls.

Certainly, i think in a way RS felt that the things he was trying to Achieve by a Sequel to Prometheus that likely would have NOT been about Xenomorphs was something he felt was more Important than going back to Xenomorphs that had been done Over and Over...

Alien Covenants Failing was not down to Xenomorphs it was about a LOT of things, some Fans had lost interest after Prometheus, as there was some Fans who was displeased that Prometheus was not really much of a ALIEN Movie, and how RS had seemed to indicate that he wanted to STEER AWAY from Xenomorphs.  Alien Covenant was  Marketed as a Prequel to ALIEN that would Uncover the Xenomorph Origins and bring back the Xenomorph, but it was NOT enough to get the Fans to the Box Office...  thats REGARDLESS of the Characters, it just seemed the MOVIE never had as much Interest.

I am sure the Marketing and how it had Teased the Xenomorphs was something that FOX felt would get more to see it than Prometheus.

But then we get to the Critical Response...

Which is where the Character Development was not Fleshed Out enough, and NOT executed much and it seemed Everyone was just a Footnote/Plot Device to tell the STORY about David and Walter.... which i think a lot of Fans felt the Emphasis was Too Much on them...

The Xenomorph only had a Smaller Role, i dont think it can be blamed for the Failings, the Neomorph too, there was just not enough TIME spent on such Monsters...  The movie was quite like Star Wars Rise of Skywalker... it seemed like there was too much being Crammed into ONE movie where a lot was just Filler to the Main Objective... which for SW EP9 was Rey/Ben and Palpatine....

So with AC it was mainly about David and his Agenda/Actions and then Walter/Xenomorph.. everything else was just like FILLER...  Characters just never seemed interesting really...  Oram, Faris, Lope all seemed to be more interesting than Daniels and Tennessee.

The Biggest Pitfall came 3 FOLD! in addition to Character Execution.

1) The Movie teased the Origins of the Xenomorph but then gave revelations that it was the Project/Creation of a Lonely Bored Android who DISLIKED the Engineers and Humans.  Which Totally took the Enigma/Mystery of the Xenomorph away... was this a BIG F-U to the Fanboys?

2) Engineers are what some Fans expected to see, especially as the setting would be a Engineer World, and while the Planet 4 Engineers never lived up to some Fans Expectations and it lacked the Bio-Mechanical Feel.. i think the Biggest Problem is that the Engineers basically played even LESS a Impact/Role than the Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus...  Some Fans wanted to know more and see more and what we got was the Engineers Brushed Under the Carpet.

3) Dr Shaw... again Brushed under the Carpet even more so than the Engineers and only shown as a Corpse... some Fans never liked her Character, some was looking forwards to seeing her.. i think if her Character was Broken it could be FIXED by showing how the Traumatic Events of Prometheus had Affected her... 

I am sure some Fans were left Puzzled by Prometheus as to WHY they never got Answers for the Xenomorph or saw any in the Movie.... But Prometheus was to NOT be a ALIEN Movie, not as far as to GIVE away such Answers.

But Prometheus was to SET UP some other Questions... of which Dr Shaw would surely be the Proxy for us to getting them Answered...

*Why did they Create us? and Visit us?

*Why did they Change their Minds and want to Destroy us?

So fans (of Prometheus) would be expecting that Dr Shaw would have at least MET some Engineers for Answers... or at least to ASK the Questions...   Also i am sure Fans would have been interested to see WHICH WAY the Relationship between Dr Shaw and David would go!

And so to have the Engineers and Dr Shaw's Roles basically TRASHED.... was upsetting for Prometheus Fans... for the ALIEN and more so ALIENS Fans then the Xenomorph scenes were NOT long enough and they had been Turned into a Abomination via the Revelation that David had done it.

However as far as the OT...

Then i think Certainly more about the Engineers would have been needed, both the LV-223 Kind and Planet 4 and more so the Overall Agenda/History of who they are and WHY are they considered Creators.. but then Create such Horrific Weapons... (well some of them had done).

It would have to be a BALANCE... between Ancient looking Engineers and Technologically Advanced ones...

Sadly i cant see Disney really investing Time in them... we may only see them in COMIC FORM where they would just ROCK UP with Advanced Weapons or Sheer Muscle and KICK ASS....

If we got a Expanded Novel Universe then i think that would be suited to give us more about the Engineers... but it is a case of would Disney be interesting in the Engineers Full Stop?

I think Disney would be more interesting in showing us Queens, Eggs and Ripleys.