RAISED BY DAVID AND WALTER

setaverde
MemberFacehuggerJuly 29, 2020https://www.ibc.org/trends/behind-the-scenes-raised-by-wolves/6326.article
“This is not a continuation of the world building done with Alien in Prometheus and Covenant but I still feel this is in the same universe as those worlds,” says Emery, who was second unit photographer on The Matrix and Alien: Covenant, and cinematographer on The Wolverine. “Ridley is particularly interested in using androids as an analogue for the human race and questioning what happens if we elevate the humans who created the androids to the status of god.”
“No one has ever seen anything like this before,” - Ross Emery
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/raised-by-wolves-first-look-kelly-marie-tran-monsterland
'WE ARE THE GODS NOW!" It seems pretty clear RS is exploring a concept that didn't quite work in the Alien universe- but viewers will likely draw comparisons.
The idea of being some sort of gods seems different in this series from what I see thus far. The "We are the Gods now" from PW sounded rather arrogant although arguably true. It seems that these androids may very well seem godlike but actually are trying to raise a better world with no power plays, ego, etc. at least initially. Depending how the series goes, maybe the first generation or two may see the androids as godlike, but later generations might twist philosophy and basically rebel or create factions, proving that humans will self destruct without some sort of higher (intelligent) power to save them. Maybe the humans will have to be destroyed.
Call it divine intervention or religion if you want. At any rate, the potential for a great thought provoking sci fi show is looking pretty good. Maybe RS has finally found a great medium to tell his story without taking decades to do it. Bring it on!
Looking at the New Teaser...
It seems to imply a Similar Reason for the Covenant Mission to make a New Start away from the Problems on Earth.... in the Teaser it indicates the World as we know it has Ended... so maybe like the Ending of Alien Resurrection
Looking at what is said about RBW in that last Piece of information... it kind of indicates that a Colony is already on this World and the Androids with Children either Arrive latter or are Part of this Colony that has either having or had Problems and so the Androids take the Children away to RAISE them in a way to AVOID the Knowledge/Conflicts that affected Mankind.
However looking at the Trailers i get the Impression that the Androids/Children are alone and the other Humans are incoming/crash?
But it could be that something ELSE is what Crashes... Time will Tell.
I Originally saw this as being some Androids to go and Raise Children on a NEW World where they could be Taught things they NEED to Survive and NOT be influenced and Taught the things that cause Conflict in Mankind. But then other Humans Arrive who then could Influence those Children and so the things that cause Conflict could arise again.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I sure hope these androids have toilet trained these human kids!!!
I don't want to see this happen on this new show!!!!
Here is the new trailer that I saw.....very interesting!
The episodes of the series include:
- "Faces", written by Karen Campbell
- "Infected Memory", written by: Heather Bellson
- "Lost Paradise", written by: Donald Joh
- "Mass", written by: Sinead Daly
- "Nature's Course", written by: Aaron Guzikowski
- "Pentagram", written by: Aaron Guzikowski
- "Raised by Wolves", written by: Aaron Guzikowski
- "The Beginning", written by: Aaron Guzikowski
- "Umbilical", written by: Aaron Guzikowski
- "Virtual Faith", written by: Aaron Guzikowski
You beat me by about 5 seconds! Yep, might have to get HBO just long enough to watch.
I'm so happy and excited. I believe Ridley did this show for us, to have some sort of closure about the prequels, in a philosophical way.
Peter Weyland created David and David created the protomorph.
Humans created AI persons and they created Mother.
Both, protomorph and mother, are weapons to be mass produced in order to wipe out the human race, as we know it, from the face of the Universe.
AI creations will create equal AIs that will destroy us.
Leto
Maybe I wasn't clear but when I wrote robots I really meant androids.
"I am more than sure that if there were no androids in Prometheus and Covenant - human characters would still be written as they were. It looks like it was a plot angle..."
Both a focus on androids and to have lame human characters is bad. When you combine those two there's a disaster, to me at least. A plot angle or not, when the human characters don't work then the movie doesn't, to me at least.
BlackAnt
"Incredible Art has always been as much about conveying beauty, tragedy, love, war, and all the things of the human condition..."
This, it tells us about the human condition in some way. I haven't seen those other movies that Scott has made with the exception for Alien when you mention the relation between humans and androids and I honestly don't care about those movies. You mention plastic sets and so on but to me it is worse than that, I am not interested in movies or TV-series where androids are allowed to take over the whole story. Bishop and Ash had parts of the movies but they were not allowed to be like 50% of it all, Raised By Wolves story-wise seems different in that aspect but for the worse.
You mention trailers, usually they don't give away too much so you got to check out the main thing so to speak. I like how you put the GIF's into this.
"Like I said I want real things not this derivative attention deficit jump cut shiny nonsense."
A problem is that if you try to make it too perfect then it gets to a point when it almost looks artificial. There are different ways to shoot movies but when you try to make it look too perfect you lose the realism that is needed in alien-movies. You could say the same thing about Prometheus I guess but I could buy that it was on another planet but that is how it comes off to me. Maybe they are going for different looks in movies and TV-series so that might explain some of it. It might depend a lot on what kind of equipment that they use when they shoot it.
You mention that you want to see something new, I am all for series and movies that try to tell us something about how different cultures try to coexist and try to solve human differences and this could be explored in different ways. What I am totally against is that they give the androids these huge parts because I don't care about that. How humans try to coexist despite cultural differences is interesting, but either get the androids away from the story or reduce their parts because that is when I say F it.
@setaverde
Thanks for the Trailer.
This does seem in Part to have some Similarities to HOW i Interpreted where RS would take Alien Covenant 2.
It seems at 0:23 that we have Children Grown from Tanks/Containers as if they are GROWN from Embryos.
It appears at 0:10 some of the Children have a Uniform, with the same Star Emblem as the Incoming Adult Humans latter.
I Suspect that these A.I may have been Tasked with being Part of a New Colonization Mission as the Earth has suffered a Catastrophe..... I wonder if the Ship had just Androids and Embryos? Did it have some Children? Did it have some Adults... but the Androids had KILLED all the Older Children and Adults.
So when they SET DOWN on this New World the Androids could RAISE the Younger Children and Embryos in a way they Androids would feel would be without the VICES and EVILS of Mankind... well the THINGS that cause Conflict and Greed and so maybe the Androids believe they see the Cause of Conflict being Mankind but that Humans can be Saved if they are RAISED in a Different way?
Or it could also look like the World had some Humans already on the Planet (First Colony) then the Androids arrive with more Children?
Then we have a Incoming Group of Humans who appear to be Antagonist.... Attacking the Androids and trying to TAKE AWAY the Children.....
Revelation then seems to indicate that Actually the Androids have Hijacked a Ship of Children/Embryos to Raise for its own Agenda......
Towards the End of that Trailer.... it appears we see a Ship with Destroyed Androids on it... like the Working Joe Class from Alien Isolation. Where these the Original Androids who were Tasked with being part of the Colonization Mission?
By the End it seems to indicate that Mother.. or the same Advanced A.I that she is, could be a Step in Advancing A.I too FAR by Mankind that resulted in a Sub-Creation with Godlike Power... that Destroyed the Earth...
And has then gone to where Mankind are trying to SET-UP a New Eden.. to then Infiltrate that and to RAISE those Surviving Children to what ever HISTORY that these Super A.I beings wish to Teach... maybe with Intentions to even attempt to Declare themselves as GODS?
It seems Interesting... cant really say it will be Good or Bad at the Moment...
It does make me wonder if some of it has BORROWED from what RS may have intended with Alien Covenant 2?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
At 1:06 it does seem that almost Neomorph like Skeletal being does look like the Space Jockey ;)
Looking at it again... the Raised by Wolves seems to come across to me more like the WOLF in Sheep's Clothing... as in Mother is a BEING that is Disguising Itself to be a Human looking Android...
Seems on Second Inspection she with Father have Helped some Older Humans to Build a Colony of Sorts and then Once a Infrastructure is in Place to Raise the Young and Embryos... i suspect the Adults are KILLED!
The Children are GIVEN a History Lesson that is FALSE.
This is Pretty Much what i Interpreted that AC2 could be like, which i made a Few Topics Last Year on. As i felt in Part this is Pretty Much what David would do as he Charades around to the colonist as Walter (Wolf in Sheep's Clothing) Once the Colony is Established enough, then he KILLS the Adults (some he saves for Experiments) and then he Raises the Young, and Embryos.. giving them his HISTORY of their Origins which are FALSE.
This Cave Painting is Interesting..... wonder what it means?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
The cave painting looks straight out of Prometheus. But it is a trailer. It's hard to say if that is from Earth or the planet the trailer depicts. Is the "ship" leaving a planet or transmitting to it?
The "big bad wolf being her" could be misdirection. If the android is the baddie, they just gave way too much away in a trailer- sort of how Prometheus did.
And what about that weird "growl?" at 1:30- WTF?
"And what about that weird "growl?" at 1:30- WTF?"
Mother seems to be Intact here.... not Damaged, she seems to be Communicating with something maybe that LURKS in the Depths of that SINK HOLE?
From 1:06 to 1:11 you can make out Similar Sounds to what the Neomorph made...... Could the Mother had Created something else thats Stored in that HOLE?
A Wolf to use against the Flock of Lambs should they get OUT of Control or Concern Mother of their Behavior?
The Androids we see below also seem to have WHITE Blood if you would just like in the ALIEN Franchise... then it seems maybe NOT.
Also we have that Creature in the Center.... maybe this is a Close Up of what looked like the Space Jockey at 1:06
Who Created this Horror? Who Disabled those Robots?
But INDEED we cant 100% Guess what is going on from a Trailer as sometimes they can Mislead on Purpose.
It Certainly is a TV Series i would be willing to GIVE a Chance.... just a case of seeing HOW to get HBO in the UK
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
It may not be a focus of the series, but the trailer made a point of showing skeletal remains of large creatures with pointy teeth.
People tend to think of wolves as bad and dangerous, which the trailer illustrates and yes, wolves are badass. But they are also very intelligent tight knit family oriented creatures as well. Perhaps the title alludes to that?
Good night, @BigDave. I think androids like mother had a big part in the destruction of earth. Mother seems to be very emotionally unstable and that, in an android, is always a big problem for humans. Rule number one: never program an Android with emotions, he/she will resent the creators sooner or later. I have no doubt that Ridley Scott took parts of the script, story boards, ship models and planet landscape drawings from Alien Awakening. He started to film, i believe, in 2018, and he ended the production of the 10 episodes (i don't know the time lenght per episode) in november 2019. It wasn't possible to do this, without having done background work, which represented an advanced stage of development in the making of the TV show.
Adapting the ideas of the alien covenant sequel to the series, instead of a fight between engineers and humans, you have a fight between two human factions separated by religion. The creature is replaced by a creature that pre-existed in the planet, and the role of the androids is identical to the role of David and maybe Walter. The experiments with humans set in David's lab are replaced by mother's experiment, where she tries to create a society with humans, from the scratch, making of herself a God, or, a prophet of her imagined religion. Maybe the idea of this experiment is from mother, maybe it is from her creator, i don't know.
I'm in love with my madness, @BigDave.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
It seems Mother arrived on a planet where the children were already living in a sort of stone age conditions. We see a ship arrived, the silhouette of Mother getting out and a little girl was down there.
The cave painting seems to symbolize a rocket that left a planet, maybe Earth.
It seems the war that destroyed Earth was between androids and humans?
For sure Ridley Scott used here many of the ideas he had for the sequel to Alien Covenant.
That creature from the roof moves like the xenomorph from Alien Covenant. What is that?
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
Seems like it may be tough to access for many fans unless they have HBOmax. Fortunately, HULU users can piggyback and add to their accounts. I cannot find out the episode lengths though. I am guessing 45 minutes or so each? I also don't know the interval episodes will air- weekly, etc.