A Space Jockey in Italy
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianJun-17-2017 3:56 PMEngineers on Earth
I noticed in Dr. Shaw's notes that there were perfect depictions of Engineer technology in Italy. I followed that below with her notes from other sites and images of the associated geographic areas of her research.
Alien: Engineers (Script by Jon Spaihts, page 9, names reconciled to Prometheus)
Behind him stands DIRECTOR LYDIA VICKERS, a slim woman of 45 in a costly business suit. Shrewd and watchful. Once a great beauty, she now trades in ruthlessness.
David stands against the wall. Shaw and Holloway settle into chairs in front of Weyland - Holloway holding the metal folio.
Peter Weyland
Professor Holloway. Ms. Shaw.
Dr. Elizabeth Shaw
Doctor Shaw.
Peter Weyland
Forgive me. Peter Weyland.
He notices Watts looking curiously at David. He smiles.
Peter Weyland (CONT’D)
Ah. David here’s a prototype. Our 80 series. One of a kind for now, but if he performs, he will be legion.
(his smile fades) What do you want here?
Holloway looks at him, startled.
Dr. Charlie Holloway
We sent you a prospectus that...
Peter Weyland
Assume I know nothing.
Holloway swallows. Lays the metal folio on Weyland’s desk.
Dr. Charlie Holloway
I’m an archaeologist.
He touches a tiny remote. Holographs appear in the air over Weyland’s desk: the folio is a three-dimensional imager. Pictures of a younger Holloway in the field: excavating ruins in Egypt, China, Peru, Greece.
Dr. Charlie Holloway (CONT’D)
In my studies I discovered a pattern I couldn’t explain. Every eleven hundred years, sudden advances in agriculture, tool use, technology. Inventions. Something caused a great leap forward. Every eleven centuries. The pattern holds as far back as our data goes.
Dr. Charlie Holloway (CONT’D)
Tens of thousands of years. I had to understand this. It became the focus of my work.Weyland nods. Holloway glances at Shaw and forges on.
Dr. Charlie Holloway (CONT’D)
Dr. Shaw was a student of mine.
Dr. Shaw touches her own remote. The holographic display turns to scientific diagrams. Images of a very young and beautiful Shaw in the laboratory.
Dr. Elizabeth Shaw
I was analyzing historical changes in
human DNA. I found the same pattern. Every eleven centuries, a pulse of new information in the genome of the human race. All over the world. Evolution can’t do that. Something was changing us. Changing the DNA of our species.
Dr. Charlie Holloway
Humanity’s been visited. Visited by...beings from somewhere else.
Behind Weyland, Vickers can’t suppress a scowl of disdain.
Vickers
You mean aliens.
A beat. The others had forgotten Vickers was there.
Peter Weyland
Lydia Vickers, Director of Operations.
Practically my right hand.
Dr. Charlie Holloway
They guided us to civilization. Lifted us up, again and again. I call them the Engineers.
Dr. Elizabeth Shaw
Once you know what you’re looking for, it’s amazing how the evidence falls into place.
Photographs flicker through the display: Holloway and Watts in the field, excavating new sites. Intimately close. Their finds: columns of writing on stone tablets in Egypt, China, Cambodia, Peru. Patterns of lines, curves, and dots.
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianJun-17-2017 4:06 PMtdby2, who needs a military when you have fashion and good skin.
Roger55
MemberChestbursterJun-17-2017 6:34 PMOMG! My grandmother and Mother is from Salerno as well I com from.
Gralen
MemberFacehuggerJun-18-2017 12:37 AMInteresting.
There seems to be a big time discrepancy between Prometheus and the drawings shown above.
On LV-223 the scientists dated the dead engineers with the deadly cargo to be 2.000 years old but on the drawings they seem to have visited us till the first millenia (1000 AD).
So we have two possibilities what could have pissed the Engieers of to wipe of humanity:
1)
2k years ago:
(AD 0 +- 30 years): Engineer was Jesus ( which is a far stretch and unrealistic considering the difference in body size)
/ Roman empire begins slowly to go down the drain (maybe) /Traditional egypt empire is long gone by this time period (it started 500-600 years BC with invasions from the persians)
2) AD 1000
Begin of the medieval time period.
In this time humanity lost much of it's former knowledge,
slavery was even more practiced, inquisition,plague
Not sure which is more canon the book or the 2012 film Prometheus regarding the timelines.
Nathan Adler
MemberFacehuggerJun-18-2017 12:51 AM@Ingeniero: If the petroglyphs at Val Camonica included a space jockey, that would suggest the humans they visited had seen the interior of one of the Juggernaut ships.
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianJun-18-2017 8:22 PMNathan Adler, I hadn't noticed that years ago. I passed over the notes then that showed the cave drawings were on Earth that depicted the Engineer tech. Yes, very impressive.
Whoever drew on the cave walls in Val Comonica had seen Engineer tech.
Ridley Scott has mentioned many times that the Engineer story goes back millennia...so I started looking at Dr. Shaw's notes from her and Dr. Holloway's studies across Earth.
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianJun-18-2017 8:37 PMVery good points Gralen regarding the timeline on LV-223 and Earth. Yes, the Chaco Canyon notes cite 1000 AD but the other notes go very far back as far as the Engineers visiting Earth.
Everything we have seen in the movies regarding the Engineers has shown that they are a very old race of arrogant humanoids.
I also like the exchange in between Peter Weyland and Dr. Holloway in the Alien: Engineers script, see below.
Dr. Charlie Holloway
I’m an archaeologist.
He touches a tiny remote. Holographs appear in the air over Weyland’s desk: the folio is a three-dimensional imager. Pictures of a younger Holloway in the field: excavating ruins in Egypt, China, Peru, Greece.
Dr. Charlie Holloway (CONT’D)
In my studies I discovered a pattern I couldn’t explain. Every eleven hundred years, sudden advances in agriculture, tool use, technology. Inventions. Something caused a great leap forward. Every eleven centuries. The pattern holds as far back as our data goes.
Dr. Charlie Holloway (CONT’D)
Tens of thousands of years. I had to understand this. It became the focus of my work.Weyland nods. Holloway glances at Dr. Shaw and forges on.
joylitt
MemberNeomorphJun-18-2017 8:47 PMThinking about all the effort they put in creating all this viral campaign for "Prometheus", it makes you all the more sore for the easy, lazy, pretentious bait and switch approach they took in Covenant.
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianJun-18-2017 9:11 PMI'm still holding on for another movie to go along with the novelization released in September 2017 joylitt.
They did put so much into the viral material for Alien: Covenant and some of it wasn't even shown at all in the movie.
Why wouldn't Ridley Scott film some of this from below from the novelization coming out in September 2017?
“As the colony ship Covenant prepares for launch, and the final members of the crew are chosen, a series of violent events reveal a conspiracy to sabotage the launch. Yet the perpetrators remain hidden behind a veil of secrecy. The threat reaches all the way up to Hideo Yutani—the head of the newly merged Weyland-Yutani Corporation—when his daughter is kidnapped. Is the conspiracy the product of corporate espionage, or is it something even more sinister?
While Captain Jacob Branson and his wife Daniels prepare the ship, Security chief Dan Lopé signs a key member of his team, and together they seek to stop the technologically advanced saboteurs before anyone else is killed, and the ship itself is destroyed in orbit.”
