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^This needs to be cited next time someone slags on Resurrection not being important.

Regarding Alien 3 I think many of us overlook one aspect of the movie. Let me explain...

When Andrews first contacts the network he is told that a company ship will arrive in one week, yet after Ripley scans herself in the remains of the EEV the company contacts Fiorina 161 (communique received by Aaron) informing the company ship will arrive mere hours later. because the events in Alien 3 don't span an entire week this suggests that the company vessel, the Patna, was rerouted from its mission to Fiorina 161 once the company knew that Ripley had a Queen gestating within her. I believe that the Patna's original mission was to investigate LV-426 to see if the derelict had survived the explosion of Hadley's Hopes atmosphere processor and that it likely continued with this mission after shutting down the penal colony at Fiorina 161.

However 200 years later the USM Auriga uses blood samples taken from Ripley while she was at Fiorina 161 to resurrect her and the Queen Alien within her chest, with it being clarified that the USM believed that Ripley had "for all intents and purposes" wiped out the Xenomorph race, or more accurately destroyed all specimens they knew off; presumably the eggs on LV-426 and the Queen she had within her.

Of course the USM, and before them the company could have been wrong, as I like to believe that there are more caches of eggs out there on many other worlds, possibly many, many more. But to work within the canon of what we know. From what was said by General Perez we can assume one of two possibilities...

#1 - The eggs on LV-426 were indeed destroyed by the thermonuclear explosion of the atmosphere processor, or

#2 - Any eggs that survived the explosion were irrecoverably contaminated and not suitable for the companies designs, and were subsequently destroyed.

The second possibility could be explored in a future installment, possibly readapting the idea of the Boiler Aliens from Aliens: Colonial Marines.

But in relation to this topic, unless my belief is right about multiple caches of eggs, all known sources of the Xenomorph were destroyed. But this does not spell doom for the franchise, as the prequels have revealed more source for the Alien - namely LV-223, Planet 4, and possibly Origae 6. This would mean that unless classed alongside the known sources, the three new sources of xenomorph specimens the prequels have introduced may not have been known to the company and/or the USM.

Another possibility, however, could be that part of why the company was sold by the time of Alien Resurrection's setting of 200 years later is because their desire to acquire the Alien attracted unwanted attention. It is possible that Weyland-Yutani was sacrificed, but that the real people behind the company continued their designs under a new cover. As such WY's only dealings with the Alien would have been those mentioned in Alien: Resurrection, any other dealings such as those not yet seen and those seen in the prequels would have been utilized by whatever cover the "powers that be" behind WY chose to wear.

A further possibility is that WY was just a pawn used by "a higher power" to acquire the Alien, and after its repeated failures (Alien, Aliens, Alien3) the company was disbanded by said "higher power", only to later be reacquired by the USNM Auriga who interpreted WY's dealings with the Alien as exclusive. Maybe the Auriga was unaware that the "higher power" used WY, before seeking other avenues to acquire the Alien specimen, avenues we have not yet seen. As to the identity of this higher power, it would require a small retcon, but in short it is this - what if Muthur is the network, an AI network originally designed to manage deep space navigation and communication that has since become sentient, self-aware and plans to use the Aliens biomechanical makeup to become more than just network controller.

I think this way better than Containment! Nice little surprise in there too!

Thanks for the update.

Is it good?

I will only be able to watch all of them in June.

Concerning atomic bombs, in Hiroshima and Nagasaki “the blast totally destroyed everything within a radius of 1 mile from the centre of the explosion, except for certain reinforced concrete frames”. “Nearly everything was heavily damaged up to a radius of 3 miles from the blast, and beyond this distance damage, although comparatively light, extended for several more miles. Glass was broken up to 12 miles.”

The atmosphere processor might, of course, be more powerful, like a hydrogen bomb perhaps (or many), but it would have to be a hell of a blast if it destroys a juggernaut or solid rock (if the eggs are down in a cave) 50-150 miles away.

So i think we could Speculate the Derelict was located about50-150 Miles away.

That sounds about right. Even if the Derelict was damaged or destroyed, the egg silo should still be intact underground but possibly dosed with radiation.

#2 of 6: Specimen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKl-fU3WC7s

This one seems better than the first!

I think its interesting to ponder...... the Juggernaught did indeed survive a High Impact Blast, but the aftermath of this Impact was to me not a HUGE Atomic Explosion not to the Level that Hadleys Hope had seen.

This would be used to explain WHY the company only pursues Ripley for the Xenomorph and then Clone her 200 years latter, which at the time must indicate there are NO other sources for the Xenomorph.

We dont know how FAR the Derelict was from Hadleys Hope, i cant see the JORDON's taking their kinds and traveling for Hours in the Vehicle they used.  I am going to ASSUME the Vehicle had a Maximum Speed of about 80MPH and it would have traveled at about 40-80MPH Speeds and will ASSUME they traveled at Least a Hour but No-More than 2 Hours.

So i think we could Speculate the Derelict was located about 50-150 Miles away.

Looking at the kind of Blast we saw in ALIENS and how the Engineer Ships can take a lot of Damage, then its possible that the Derelict could be Salvaged.

Certainly Aliens Colonial Marines indicated this.

And it looks likely that Blomkamps Alien 5 would have gone the same route, that the Derelict was Salvaged.

Going by Colonial Marines or Blomkamps Idea, then the Derelict could have remained intact or at least buried but NOT to much.

Alien 3 stills leaves this open, because Ripley would be the easier route than going to LV-426 and maybe having to locate where we can assume the Derelict has been Buried.

Alien Resurrection Causes a Problem, as to WHY the Company Never went back to LV-426... but then look at what the Prequels have opened up and WHY they never went to Planet 4, Origae-6 or LV-223 again!

So this means we could explore the Derelict again after ALIEN 3 as long as at some point after Alien 3 and prior to Alien Resurrection the Derelict and ALL avenues to the Xenomorph are a BUST (Destroyed).

"An Engineers ship comes into view its crew of four are en-route to a paradise world they have been cultivating for nearly a millennium."

Again i think it was just the wrong choice of wording, i do this at times too..  i am sure you meant Millennia which implies Thousands of Years.  Which you pointed out in your last reply.

Its a bit open for debate about Planet 4 and its Inhabitants this is by Virtue of Alien Covenant never Indicated this was the Engineers Home-World.  OR that those Engineers are related to those on LV-223 (well there was no direct explanation for the differences).

So these leaves such things open to debate and they could be subject to Change as far as Canon.  Because we never got any 100% Spoon Fed Answers....  Such as Prometheus never Gave any Direct Ones for the Xenomorph Origins... which allowed for a change of direction.

Ive just realized in context you are on about these Engineers arrive at Oriage-6 and not Planet 4, so the above Reply is kind of MUTE!

I think the difference between the Engineers is something interesting to explore,  Ridley Scott had mentioned that the Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals and lived for about 150 Years..  Some speculate instead those Planet 4 Engineers are Hybrids and the Movie does-not suggest to us that these beings are OLDER than our Prometheus Engineers, in spite of Ridley Scotts comments.

Sorry this is Off-Topic a little... but it seems to indeed suggest those Engineers on Planet 4 may have Originated from that place, but they certainly over VAST amounts of Time been visiting and seeding many many worlds.

Exploring that Origae-6 was a World that had LONG LONG ago at some kind of Culture/Civilization could be interesting, i personally feel making another World in the Prequels connected to the Engineers a bit too much of a Coincidence however.  Thats just my opinion however... so does-not rule out the idea that Origae-6 had a long gone Civilization and to be fair, such a Plot does open up possibilities.

Certainly as far as the Covenant Crew thinking they would be arriving at a Virgin World... only to find it has remains of a Long Gone Civilization....    Or even if the Crew/Colonist NEVER get to set foot on Origae-6 because of David and instead he chooses to Raise/Engineer the Human Embryos then having some Ancient Infrastructure could be beneficial to David especially if he would want to indicate to the beings he raises/rules over some FALSE History.

Although thats a little off Topic to the Plot of your Alien Morpheus.

ah IG i see what you mean now..when i use the term millennia i was just looking for a quick word to sum up that it had been a 'very long long time' im sure given more time on the story and as it evolves, an accurate time scale can be added.. 

big thanks to everyone who took time to check out my band pages too. really really appreciated. 

i have done some more dialogue for the story and added some parts to this i think you'll guys will like. ill share the p[age changes later tonight that will have some more extended of the story that now includes some dialogue..

really appreciated all the support and feedback!

Thanks again AC forum members!

I actually thought about this immediately afte I saw Alien3 in theaters. The company wanted the alien in Ripley, and sent a crew of soldiers and scientists to get it. She took t to her death with her.

SO I started writing a screenplay to continue from that point, with the suits who initially dismissed her and her case (except Burke who had sent colonists to check it out) now gathered around a boardroom table, playing back her deposition.

"Kane, the crewmember who went into that ship. Kane said he saw thousands of eggs down there. Thousands."

They pause it and look around the room, discuss the viability and determine to send that group of soldiers and scientists who failed to get the specimen from Ripley back to LV-426 to find the derelict. the scene would end with the camera slowly zooming into the paused image of Ripley before fading into the black of space with another Sulaco-type ship coming in towards LV-426.

The movie would then proceed from there with the end result being that at least on of the scientists or soldiers getting "infected" with no one realizing it or discovering it until they had reached Gateway Station and Earth, where it/they are born.

Interesting topic.

First off - we know a nuclear blast would not be enough to damage the Derelict / Juggernaut ship the eggs reside inside thanks to Prometheus. So, I would assume if they were not disturbed, that the explosion of Hadley's Hope would not do anything to the eggs.

However, some time had passed since the initial discovery of the Alien cargo on LV-426 prior to the USCM being sent in. Newt's father may have birthed the original Queen - which then grew up and created her own lineage of Alien eggs to take over Hadley's Hope by the time Ripley and crew arrived. But - Weyland-Yutanui was aware of the crashed Derelict and had instructed Hadley's Hope to investigate.

I would assume some of the eggs remain, but that Weyland-Yutani likely had a backup operation in the works - one that would involve a detachment of specialists to investigate the Derelict and study its cargo - likely extracting some of the eggs for further study off world, while they let Hadley's Hope get overrun by the Xenomorph breakout. I can totally see them treating Hadley's Hope as a somewhat "trial" to help gauge the spread and impact a Xenomorph hive can have on a Human population.

I'm unaware if any of the expanded literature addresses this question or not.

Diesektor nice job, brother! Love your tracks and your site looks mint! 

@Diesektor you said:

"An Engineers ship comes into view its crew of four are en-route to a paradise world they have been cultivating for nearly a millennium."

this could mean that the planet was seeded 1000 years ago or that specific crew was doing this for 1000 years. The last one surely implies that the engineers live far more than that.

BigDave I had forgotten about the topic recognizing Diezektor. It is tough to find their stuff on YouTube.

I took this draft as a work in progress and ignored spelling/grammar errors or perceived gaps in the plot. Of course some will take a humorous approach in response since that is the interweb 101. Hopefully the author understands the Forum is pretty good natured and creativity is supported. At least that has been my observation and experience.

I think it would be interesting.... certainly are a lot of shared themes between the Prequels and Blade Runner and ideas RS had for sequels.

A TV Series could go the Philosophical Route..  Scenes we had were David and Weyland were together are interesting from his Hologram Message on the Prometheus where he proclaimed David was the like a Son but lacked a Soul.

To the Alien Covenant Prologue.

A Majority of my Prometheus 2 idea i abandoned years ago was not about where David and Shaw are, or Xenomorphs but about the After-math of the Company in the Months after Prometheus had lost contact.

It dealt with Deception, Betrayal, Greed and about the Yutani Company.. it was also very Philosophical and AI Heavy, it had some Flash Backs of David and Weyland where i had a Philosophical Scene not to unlike the one in Alien Covenant, where David and Weyland were playing CHESS..

I DONT want to babel on too much, but the idea i had was to reveal there was a AGENDA to the Advancements that Weyland had made, both in Medical and Technology especially AI and Synthetics.

Where it was NOT to benefit Mankind but to attempt to offer him ways of Extending his LIFE and also make him MONEY so he can further this Agenda.

Where his Master Plan was Project Rook... Create a AI that you could upload a Human Soul to, and then Transfer this Human Soul/AI into a Synthetic Body....  GRANTING Weyland IMMORTALITY

But alas the AI could not control and handle complex Human Emotions and would go well CRAZY!

I worked on this in 2013/2014....  

I should have Finished it off... but something like it would have been better suited to a TV Series as i doubt my ideas would have fitted in less than 2.5-3 hours lol

I was working on Part 3 of Prometheus too which would revolve around where Dr Shaw and David would go, but this was complex as i had so many ideas i could not settle on a Entire way to cover that element... 

But the Prometheus 2 that would be set mainly on Earth/Mars i had planned out Totally, this would even had set up a sequel that would be Part 4 a mission to LV-223 that would have catered for Alien Fans and been less ambiguous regarding the Xenomorph... this also had problems with HOW this would tie in with the Prometheus 3 (where David and Shaw go) and how that connects Engineers to LV-223.

So i just abandoned all 3 Concepts.

But yeah some ideas i had would have been interesting to see in a TV Series, because Yutani to me had a Great Rivalry with Weylands over AI and Synthetic Technology and Patents...    The Final Act of my Prometheus 2 we saw a Yutani Geisha Assassin Androids vs a Female Weyland Synthetic...  Big Twist at the END ;)  Which Causes the Merger!

" the devils in the details isn't it.."

Well i would not even like to Guess the number of Mistakes and Bad Grammar i would have in my works lol I would not worry about such ERRORS too much.... Jon Spaights made a number in his Drafts! (Prometheus earlier Drafts)

He also made a Whooper by the Date his Prequel was set in too, which was actually closer to ALIENS Time-Line LOL I am sure is maybe a Typo too.

The Correct Time-Line of Events is that the END of Alien Covenant takes place about 17 years prior to ALIEN. But not to worry.

I had been having some Discussion with LETO on my Star Child Thread where from a idea he had about how to make Davids Journey as something separate to ALIEN.. it gave me some ideas on HOW to do this and then have a alternative sequel that would go back to LV-223 or Planet 4.

I think if we took the kind of approach in that thread, then a PLOT like your idea would certainly fit more with a Movie about the Response Weyland-Yutani have to the Advent Viral Message. which would see them likely send a Mission to LV-223 or Planet 4 instead.

Even Split into a TWO Part Movie... IF the Human Ship goes to Planet 4, they could come into contact with the Neomorph and Xenomorphs.... they could get STRANDED  and have to go into Hiding from the Horrors on the Surface... and THEN the Engineers could Rock Up!

Could have Walter and Survivors Escape on a Juggernaught and Attempt to go to LV-223 to Destroy this place....  where we then have some incoming Engineers after them with a Payload of Eggs.  This would be like the 2nd Part.

Certainly allowing for a more ALIENY kind of series of Prequels.

REGARDING the Rock Band!

I remember now!  i made this TOPIC on here after coming across some Art by Dane Hallett for your BAND.

I will check out your work again, as i dont mind Metal, i was into various kinds as a kid, but also Rock... so i dont mind some Metal Music.

It could also share a universe with Blade Runner as has been discussed here before. That may also really set off some fans though. 

I think the only POLL that would be better would be on say IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes or even on Disney/Fox.  As it would cater the wider Public.

See there is loads of HYPE for Camerons AVATAR LOL

But certainly i think the Poll would not tell the Full Picture, i would say AVATAR is a 100% Certain...  The Planet of the Apes is fine as a Stand Alone Origins...  but i think they would be Money to be Made from Continuation, thanks to HOW WELL made the First Reboot Series was.

The Alien Franchise?  I am not so sure... the Franchise has had its Fair Share of Disappointment and Fractured Fanbase...   And while Every Fan could go and see a ALIEN movie and by Fan i mean those who own various Box Sets and Merchandise... but would that be enough to make the kind of $$$ to make it worthwhile?

Its about getting the Casual Audience involved too.

I think its nice to see the Passion for the Franchise, and hopefully those at Disney are taking Notice... but its about FINDING the right Story/Path to take.

@daliens

Certainly this is another option i maybe could have mentioned, i also think any Flaws with a CGI Overlay can be passed off, because David is Artificial After-all.

Over time his Skin could have gained some GLOSS which could explain away any imperfections in CGI replicating a Exact Human likeness...  because this is something that COSTS a lot of Money to do.

Even IF we go for a Davids World First (i think Fans wont be interested in unless it had some Xenomorph Elements).

David could introduce his Humanoids the Star Children to incoming Humans from Earth, he could have some Dialect about the Engineers.  

Where he could state that what he is attempting and achieved is to better his Creator and our Would be Gods, he could go on about how our Creators the Engineers had created a In-superior being in Mankind, and how  Mankind had Surpassed their own Creators by Creating a More Superior being in their likeness which is HIM (David).  HE could then go on and say that he has taken the Engineers Secrets of Creation and Created a FAR more Superior Humanoid Species...

Then he could also say that the Engineers Greatest Creation was the Xenomorph, which they then tried to Banish, as they could not Control it... and then David could BOAST that he has YET AGAIN, bested our Creators by Reproducing his own Evolved Xenomorph.

This would indicate the Xenomorph on LV-426 is NOT one of Davids Creations... it would FIT with the Prometheus Themes, of the Pursuit of Perfection/Creation and Evolution.

He could then claim that he has his Wolf that is superior to the Engineers Version, he has his Lambs that are superior to the Engineers Version (Mankind) but he is NOT Finished, and that he has yet to reveal his MASTERPIECE.

Where he can then have a AMALGAMATION of his Humans MK2  and Xenomorph MK2 to make the Ultimate Hybrid.

A Hybrid that would maybe have some traits of the Above HR Giger work, could be his latest eventual Creation and ONE that could lead to the Hubris as they Rebel against David.

You could go Further by when the Engineers discover these beings that David had Created, his Masterpiece... maybe they could BOW down in Worship as they could see Davids HYBRID as the Reincarnation of the Engineers Masters and Source of their Bio-Mechanical Technology/Black Goo.

So we kind of come FULL CIRCLE.

"It's all about time. No time before Nostromo accident."

I can now comment more on you point.... If we have the Prequels that will be a  A-Z  with A being Prometheus and Z being Alien.  We have this Approx 30 year Period from when the Prometheus set off on its Voyage to Discover our Origins to when the Nostromo Crew Discover the Horrors on the Derelict.

At Present we are in the Year 2105 and so nearly 45% through that Time-Line of Events...  Leaving us 17 years until the Derelict is Discovered, thats not a lot of time to cover in TWO movies what Events will Lead to WHEN/HOW/WHY the Derelict lands on LV-426.

Even less if we do consider that FIRST we have to have the Covenant and David arrive at Origae-6, which would be the Year 2112 which takes us a little over 2/3rds of that Time-Line.  And would leave us with about 10 years before we have the Nostromo Turn up at LV-426

Thats not a lot of time to cover TWO movies... and certainly if the Next One will be based around David and what World/Kingdom he would Build/Create...  a Movie that has a HIGH % about this Plot would not Engage as many ALIEN Fans as i think they would like,  they would have to introduce a % of ALIEN related Aesthetic/Elements which then by trying to have a Balance you could be left with NOT having enough Screen Time to do either Element Justice, which we can see had been a Problem with Alien Covenant.  But if they make it mainly about Davids World, then Set-Up the Next movie we would get a more ALIENY Sequel, then we have the case of would Fans NOT be interested and if Box Office of Davids World is NOT Good then would they risk another Sequel?

So i understand the idea you present, would allow a Movie about Davids World and Creation to not have to Force Itself to March Towards Alien, and fit things within a 10 Year Time Restraint..

Having Davids Journey go off on a different Tangent that Does-Not connect Directly to ALIEN...  while it would lift some Restraints to what kind of Story/World this could give us.

Alien Covenant has been set up as a ALIEN Prequel and so it would be expected that events would have to Literally Connect to ALIEN.    If say they took the route your propose and we have what ALIEN: Elysium which would be about Davids World.... then by Virtue of the ALIEN name the Fans would expect some Xenomorph Related stuff, which could be catered for by giving us Davids Xenomorph at some point and other Hybrids...  we could have another Human Ship arrive or/and Engineers and have this take place say in the year 2120-2130

But we would have to conclude IF this connects to ALIEN which in such a case it would NOT, and so we would need clues to suggest that Davids Xenomorphs Cant/Dont end up on the Derelict.

But then we are still going to have some Fans who thought that a ALIEN Prequel would eventually show or inform us HOW/WHEN those Eggs got onto the Derelict and so they would expect a ALIEN Prequel.

Which i guess would be best done if Weyland Yutani sends another Ship to LV-223 or Planet 4, where they can then introduce some Clues that would Indicate the Xenomorphs Origins to be Older than the Re-Creation that David had done on Planet 4.

And this to a degree is what i had indicated in a early post, but i was thinking that a Alien Covenants Sequel acts as a Bridge to Span Off to TWO Movies... one that would cover the Engineers/Creation, another that would give more clues to ALIEN.

But when i come to think about it... using Alien Covenant as the Bridge/Fork in the Road could work out better... and so indeed go off to ONE Path that is Davids World, that will eventually introduce some more Alieny Elements....  but then have another Movie where the Company go to LV-223 or Planet 4 that can then either show us clues that the Xenomorph was already around... and be a much more ALIENY movie.

If they go to Planet 4, they could encounter Davids Xenomorph, and when Engineers Return maybe we could get some Clues that they had created the First Bio-Mechanical Version or Encountered it in the past..

Or this Movie could Literally connect to ALIEN by Virtue of Engineers take Davids Xenomorph and Evolve it to the Bio-Mechanical Version and set up a Direct Chain of Events that LINK to Alien.

I actually think this could be the Direction that is BEST to take..

They would have to do the Parallel Movie First (one that goes to LV-223 or Planet 4) and does-not follow David and the Covenant.   If this movie introduces the Engineers in a way thats Interesting to Most Fans, and we are then informed that the other STORY about David would also introduce the Engineers, then it would maybe get Fans who would not be happy to see a Davids Movie to be on board, because they have got a more Alieny Prequel that is NOT about David or he creates the Xenomorph.

If this more Alieny/Aliens like Sequel to Alien Covenant does-not do well, then it would allow Disney to then look at the Franchise and THINK! so maybe RS was right... and then take the other Sequel to Alien Covenant (Davids World) and try something different.

I think such a IDEA would be the Best Route to take... i know its not the route RS may have wanted.. but lets be FRANK!  i dont think he wanted to go the Literal Prequel Route anyway... and at least this way, his Davids World Movie would no longer have to connect to ALIEN at all. And so he can explore more of what he wanted to do.

This could be a WIN/WIN.

If they took this route and BOTH movies Bombed, then Disney would be left with maybe ONE option and that would be a Blomkamp Alien 5 bring back the Gang! and if this Bombed... then i think it would be CURTAINS for the Franchise Theatrically.

I can see what you mean by TIME...

What i was referring to with BALANCE is that the Alien Franchise is expected to Maintain some Element of the ALIEN Movie, when people are asked about ALIEN those that do know your on about that 1979 Movie or even 1986 Aliens, will mostly associate the Franchise with the Xenomorph, and second to that Ripley/Miss Weaver they are the Iconic Elements most people remember (i am not just talking Alien Fanbase here).

The other Aspect that was ALIEN in terms of the First Movie was the Very Ship, its Pilot that the Dreaded Egg Cargo was Discovered on.

Prometheus had toned down the Aesthetic of the Derelict, we could see a connection via the Engineers Architecture and Technology but it appeared to be more Mechanical...   The Larger Difference was that a ALIEN Prequel (which a lot of people saw the movie as) simply DID-NOT have much Xenomorph like Aesthetic, the Monsters had a bit of the DNA but it was not enough for some, but it was fine for others.

There was a lot of Vague Clues and References, but for some they was just too ambiguous.  Not everyone could clearly see that this Place these Engineers were found (LV-223) that had the Aesthetic of the Space Jockey/Derelict to a degree.. for some Fans the Xenomorph like DNA in the Monsters (Hammerpede, Mutant, Fifield and the Trilobite/Deacon) was not quite enough, certainly as far as giving them a connection to HOW the Xenomorph came to be.

I lacked that Balance over Needing a little more Xeno DNA/Clues, it could have done with some Alieny Encounters, as the Hammerpede Attack, Fifield were simply not enough.

HOWEVER... you could see that ALIEN connection as far as the Aesthetic, maybe it was not Strong Enough for some but there was a Element that this was a ALIEN Movie.

If we take Alien Covenant.... it had further toned down the Aesthetic that we saw from ALIEN, we had a few Glimpses of it only as far as the Bombardment Scene (Engineer Ships) but the rest of the Architecture lacked that ALIEN look from the First Movie..

What Alien Covenant did have was more Alieny Monsters and clues to the Xenomorph Origins, by that Davids Workshop Scenes, and Dialect showed us in a less ambiguous way about what Davids Experiments were about, as opposed to the Vague Clues in Prometheus as far as the Engineers Experiments.

The Neomorph and Xenomorphs brought us very much Alien Monster Encounters that maybe some fans expected in the First Movie..

What i am saying is that Alien Covenant while it had the Alieny Monsters and less ambiguity to how they came to be, it lacked the Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic to the Engineers City that was expected, aside from the Engineers Ships... yet with LV-223 we got this Architectural Aesthetic that was similar to ALIEN

Prometheus had this Aesthetic but lacked the Alieny Monsters of Alien Covenant and so if they had more of a Balance, say Prometheus had the Neomorph Monsters/Screen Time..   And Less Ambiguous Clues to the Xenomorph connection, then this would have helped Prometheus (but the Characters etc would still have needed Improving).

If Alien Covenant had shown a bit more of a LV-223 Aesthetic to the City, then it would have had more of a ALIEN Feel...   Take Away Davids Experiments, the Neomorph and Xenomorph and Alien Covenant would not have that ALIEN Balance.

So what i am saying is that a ALIEN Prequel, that would contain NO Engineer Technology/Aesthetic until a Incoming Ship in the Final Act, and has NO Monsters that have any Xenomorph DNA...  would appear to be a Movie that would bear NO resemblance of a ALIEN movie to most fans.

But these can come in the 3rd Act... however i feel if the Movie which is a Alien Prequel would be about David creating his own Humanoids to Rule Over, who live in a Village that is very Middle Aged (Wooden) and so kind of his own Amish Village of Genetically Altered Humans who see David as God/Creator...  i just think a majority of Fans would NOT be so happy with this Plot...

Expectation would be mainly about HOW/WHEN does David Produce more Xenomorphs or Similar and when does another Human Ship or Engineers arrive were we would see more of a AVP like Action Plot (replace Predators with Engineers).

Because the Majority of such a Plot like this, that would not be about Xenomorphs, or carry any Aesthetic, would appear to NOT be a Alien Movie and a bit of a Distraction... so they need a Balance...

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This article has over 30k reads in less than 24 hrs, there should be more votes, I suppose.

This the best thing on the internet all year! Well done!

This is looking good but I worry only about 100 people have voted including myself.

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hey buddy -

thanks for the comments again and the feedback, good criticism is what i need so any and all plot hole you can find feel free to flesh them out . hopefully that will help make a much more concise story. however, i dont recall saying it was 1000 years old , im generalizing there was around a hundred years gap between the events of the end of this story and the start of Alien.. again something which needs working out in detail.. still all very much a work in progress. also, it could be written in that the engineers returning to planet 4 were responsible for looking after it and had a personal interest in its growth.. it could also be written in the original engineer used to create the population of planet 4 was one of our lead engineers descendants? who knows.. also David has run off with xeno tech.. im pretty sure the engineers wouldn't want that getting out so it would be a perfect reason for them to want to find out 'who did it.

as for marines being conveniently in deep space.. well you think that a huge multi national military complex with a deep interest in space would have various vessels training new marines from time to time so it does make sense if you think about it. the time they spend out there in or out of hypersleep can evolve or change as the parts and dialogue start to evolve.

you've given me some good things to think about though so thanks for the cool feedback :)

DK i'm glad you liked the track thanks!

Alien franchise wins an online survey made by Sciencefiction.com after the announcement that Disney will continue several Fox franchises.

The vote is still open, let's give a helping hand.

I hope they don't take too much time between the Alien films.. Time flies... 7 years ago Prometheus, 2 years ago Alien Covenant...

SWEET! I'm exticed about it and the more Maze Runner movies. I thought the third one was the last one but nope.

OT- Sleeper Simulant is pretty brutal.

Great news! and about bloody time. Good to see things are no longer dead in the water.

No. It is not about balance or xenomorphs. It's all about time. No time before Nostromo accident. But there is time before Aliens. Put third (and four) David's films parallel Alien story before 2179, or after this year and we have standalone world with its own history and mystery!

Diesektor 

But don't be carried away now, I have some real issues now.

1. You say that Planet 4 was only 1000 year old Engineer seeded world, not Paradise as in the home of the Gods. If so, why the 4 member crew get so pissed at the lose of a thing that the did for more time than humanity existed? And why do they rush to find David, why not consult with the Elders (or military superiors) first? How Convenient!

2. So a bunch of military types just happen to be on an exercise 7 years in hyper-sleep away from Earth just five years the first colonization ship should have reached the site and never reported back. How Convenient! 

Certainly Leto...

This is the Pickle we Find ourselves in because it appeared that Prometheus 2 was going to GO OFF and do its own separate thing and STEER Away from Alien.

Maybe RS has intended with the sequel to allow it to be a movie that can Bridge a Gap and OFFER TWO Directions, a Third Alien Prequel that takes us to the Back Door of ALIEN and another Sequel that could cover the Engineers and Creation on a different Tangent.

They have to find the Balance....  if the Next Movie is too much about David and his World and Creations and if these LACK any real Xenomorph/Alieny look about them... then i think it could Disappoint some Alien Fans who then may not be interested in another Prequel even if it would be more Direct Set-Up to ALIEN.

We can assume Davids Agenda has to be Create Xenomorph and Unleash it on Earth... but if this was the case, it would make more sense for him to head to LV-223, or stay on Planet 4.  As opposed to going to Origae-6

I think we have to look at the Multiple Layers here, and so we could see David take a similar stance to the Engineers...

If we assume the Engineers Create Life for a Benevolent Reason...  you would find it Logical that they can Create Something Else to PROTECT them from other Races or Unruly Creations..

So if David intends to Create his Own Star Children, he would be wise to also have a Large Number of Xenomorph Eggs that he can use to PROTECT his World/Creation, but also to PUNISH it should they Rebel and become Unruly.

Its getting the Balancing Act that will attract and please the most Fans... this is up to Disney to Gauge this... FOX felt that a Prometheus 2 should have gone the route of Alien Covenant and maybe that was a Error of Judgement by them.

In Hindsight Prometheus should have been less Ambiguous with the Xenomorph Origin Clues, and it should have had more Alieny Action like Scenes... so Fans could see more clearly that the Engineers and LV-223 are connected to the Xenomorph.

This would have allowed a Prometheus 2 to Steer Away from ALIEN and Xenomorphs, while giving Fans more Answers and allowed for a ALIEN movie about Xenomorphs to come out that does-not have to worry about stepping on the toes of anything Prometheus or its Sequel would cover.