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I will find out...

Indeed!

NTFS I say "I space no one can hear you yawn".

What is the first thing you do, when you find a door in a spaceship on which "Do not open!" is written with blood?

What a shame. I cannot download this poster anymore...

Is there still a possibility to get this??

Thanks, but at this point, I want to see Scott Free back Alien- The Play. It couldn't be done in time, but I would hold out for that. Posters are cool enough I suppose but......

That said, what should we expect for a 50th Anniversary?

I missed this one.

And I would want the Advent expanded, even with flashback scenes, to understand what the hell were the Enginners doing

Not sure i am a Fan of those Arms!

Would not mind if this Beast had 4 Arms and One Pair was like that...

However the Neomorph is a Good remake of the Deacon/Xenomorph intended for earlier Prometheus, the Concepts by Carlos Huante of which he had a number of Variants and this Fan-Art seems like a Amalgamation of some of those.

I would so LOVED to had seen this beast in a Prometheus Sequel, especially the Torso/Head as Davids very own Xenomorph....    They made a MASSIVE Mistake giving into what they felt Fans wanted and going the Alien Covenant route.

David could have Created something like this, and then in Dialog he could have given us more clues to the Original Xenomorph,  suggesting that the Engineers Discovered that the Human Female Biology is what allowed them to Create their Wolf...   But alas it was not PERFECT... but what i have done here is surpassed their accomplishments.

To think a Species like Humans can unlock the Key to such Perfection, i now have my Wolf and thanks to you (incoming Humans) i now have my Lambs too.

This with more clues to HOW David created this Beast, would have given clues to HOW the Xenomorph was created, and also then place the Xenomorph as Ancient!

I think this was similar to the Original Plans... to have David create something Different, but in doing so would show us HOW the Engineers had created the Xenomorph Long Ago!

But ALAS... the decided on a Literal Prequel to make the Xenomorph a Creation after the Prometheus Mission with a Curve-Ball that in Hindsight was maybe the Biggest Mistake they could have made.

BigDave I am equally interested in the origin of the black goo as I am in that of the Space Jockey and the derelict full of eggs (even if until recently I wanted the SJ to remain a mistery).

I think Sir Ridley Scott might have had some plans to explain things since he had in mind 3-4 films after Prometheus. 

But unless he started writing his memoirs we might never have a chance to find out what was in his mind.

"I think David knew the Enginners from LV223 were like him,"

I am not 100% sure about that at the Time of Prometheus, but maybe its likely he discovered more after...

I did however notice the Engineer had pity towards David, and a interest but Ultimately had to Destroy him... to me that scene did come across as though maybe the Engineers saw himself in David (so they were similar) or the Engineers had created similar to David with great Consequences.

In Feb 2015 the Source i had, did claim that the Engineers (i assume LV-223) had more in common with David than Humans, which was a odd and interesting statement.

When looking at RS and his comments about the Planet 4 Engineers being the Originals and then when talking in context to the Sequel and AI, and saying Roy Baty and Rachael were AI  then i am very much drawn to the LV-223 Engineers being a Genetically Engineered/Enhanced Group Created to Serve those Planet 4 Engineers.

And Certainly.... there was a connection between the Black Goo/LV-223 and the Deacon which had led to the Xenomorph too...   Regardless if you look at the Prometheus Route (Ancient) or Alien Covenant Route (Created by David) they both suggest the Xenomorph was a Off-Shoot of the Experiments conducted on LV-223.

BigDave there was talk about de-aging Siggy, why not de-aging Fassy.

Problem comes with de-aging Sir Ridley Scott.

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I think regarding the Future of any Movie, a lot depends on not only how much Disney Gauge the Fans Interest but also on if they see it as Financially Viable

Reaction to the Amanda Ripley Animated Shorts was mixed, because they consisted of re-using Cut Scenes and adding a few more that were not quite as smooth as the Cut Scenes from Alien Isolation and i think Fans were expecting something else other than a Video Game Cut Scene series of Shorts.

Reaction to the Live Action Shorts will be interesting... 

The options for Disney would be...

*Live Action TV/Streaming  which could cost $3-5M per Episode (spending less than $3M could be very limiting).  Spending more than $5M would allow for more Special Effects and Well Known Cast.

*Animated CGI TV/Streaming Series which would cost maybe $250k-1M per Episode (depending on the Quality and who they Cast for Voice Overs).

*A Live Action Movie would surely cost $50-100M (even doing it on a Budget would depend on level/amount of Special Effects and who they Cast).

I think Miss Weaver is beating the Drums of War for a ALIEN movie, Cameron also appears to be Championing a return to the Franchise, its likely their interest revolved around getting a ALIENS sequel done rather than carry on with any continuation to the Prequels though.

The Prequels are in a LOT of trouble despite Emma Watts being behind Ridley Scott as far as making a continuation with his ideas, ONCE they get the Right Story....  The Problem is a lot of Fans are just NOT interested in a Movie where David will be one of the Main Focus of...

The longer a Prequel is taking before the Green Light then the less likely it will be about David, well because surely a Android does-not Age? 

But there are ways around this...  from having a After-Math where David would be just as like Bishop was in Alien 3, and even open up the Possibility that David could Transfer his Soul into a NEW Body.  Or Evolve his Current one.

One should have the option to delete a post.

I find it hard to imagine Ridley Scott will be given the chance to carry on with the prequels.

Hollywood is business before it is art.

I can't think of a tagline as Ridley Scott left all the possibilities open. Even for a queen.

Great intro credit idea HYPERNOVA.

I love the Prometheus menu graphics. The video below has the David 8 section of the floating items on the Prometheus DVD menu incorporated into the opening.

"There are other things than androids, Xenos, and that so why not. Maybe a bit about WY could work as long as they do not reveal everything because there should be some mystery left but they need good writers and keep Scott away from the story."

The Cold Forge could certainly deliver this scenario in excellent fashion Thoughts_Dreams if made into film. 

Excellent news, will watch it soon.

I love the Covenant mission hoodies.

Good screen captures dk. Thank you.

"Alien: Specimen — It’s the night shift in a colony greenhouse"

Bring it on! 

Thank you for the share daliens. I'm still holding out hope on Alien Day news. I'll most likely get kicked in the pecans but I would be so nice to have big news.

"Even the Deacon was not biomechanical like the Big Chap, so no idea were from the biomechanical traits."

Great examples daliens. I believe Walter plays a part in the transition to biomechanical because he seemed to show traits of both synthetic and organic.

"But as we are heading for the route that David Kick-Startsthe Xenomorph Origins (lets assume at least) then having David Transfer his AI Soul into a Walter Model, and if the Walter Models are a Synthetic Construct like Elden from Fire and Stone... then thats a Convenient Route to obtain a Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph from a Bio-Mechanical Synthetic Host."

That route does have many ties to what we've seen in the comics BigDave. There is magnificent scope with this topic's question.

Now, after seeing concepts in the Prometheus: Fire and Stone (below) show up in Alien: Covenant, I believe we will see more of the concepts seen in comics manifest in films and/or a TV series.

"Probably will be like an open air museum of horrors, with many failed experiments, an extension of his lab from planet 4." 

I would love to see that again daliens...see example below on LV-223 many years after the Prometheus mission.

The comics may give a glimpse of what kind of world may be created but it would be really nice to be surprised as to what "kind" of world is unveiled later on. 

Which world are we talking about?

There could be many worlds with the David Model Population in 2073 being over 8 million, below. (unofficial, source material from weylandindustries.com, Steve Burg Concept Art)

I can't watch any video now.

If they will release one episode weekly, the last should be on around May 3.

Chances to get bigger news on Alien Day are close to nothing.

However, Fox should mark the day somehow.

We'll see.

Great, dk.

Even at Disney they should have noticed.

Alien makes the national news!

Now it is a good time for a new Alien movie.

What do you think, Merlin can wait?

It made the national news in the States tonight. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKu10kBYdv0

Containment is pretty good. TBH, I have seen other independent Alienverse shorts just as good or better. 

Containment is worth a watch though.

I think David knew the Enginners from LV223 were like him, and those from planet 4 were like the humans who banished, who knows, the AI like him. A paradise without AI was a rotten paradise for David.

BigDave, I don't know if David notes are based on what was discussed on set during production of Prometheus/ Alien Covenant, but the passage below confirms that the virus/xenomorph have the same origin and the Enginners were concerned to get the biomechanical traits of the xenomorph with their experiments on LV223, that is why those Enginners looked much like the xenomorph than the plain jane engineers from planet 4. We can now see why Ridley Scott said those on planet 4 were the originals and those from LV223 were more like David or replicants.

Also the passege below can explain that David created his own xenomorph.

Same passage might give a clue that the cruel rituals of the Enginners were meant to achieve the glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species 

"Returning to the notion of integration and biomechanical concerns, I would posit that lessons learned here could and should be applied to the ultimate maturation of the Engineers’ direction if not their literal fate. Through the virus / Xenomorph as glorious synthesis and poetic culmination of the species. And an amusing biblical one at that. Though not quite linear due to my own inheritance."

Nice Points NTFS

The Weyland Company and its achievements fit those 3 Points...

But ALIEN does seem to indicate fans would expect some ALIEN connection as in something NOT of this world... which was the Xenomorph.  I have said before we could have gone off say after Alien  3 and explored other ALIEN Races that are not CONNECTED to the Xenomorph but some Fans would not see this as a ALIEN movie...  a Visit to see the Arcturian Poontang Planet would have been seeing other Alien Species... which would make the ALIEN Tittle mean Mankind interacting and discovering Alien Life... and so just as the STAR in Star Trek means Searching for New Worlds and Life among the Stars, rather then Earth Treking!

But i think a Majority of Franchise Fans would feel there had to be a connection to the First Movie in context to the Xenomorph.

A Movie about Xenomorphs that follows the same Patterns/Tropes would get Repetitive...  not for some though..

But  this is when you can bring in the Mankind/Company Agenda to Exploit the Xenomorph, and then open up the possibilities of Reverse Engineering them and trying to exploit their Traits for Various Purposes, so it would not even need a Xenomorph...  but the ALIEN would come from Mankinds attempted use of the Xenomorph to create Hybrids/Horrors at a Great Hubris.

You could see such things had been attempted by the Engineers at a great cost to them.

When looking at ALIEN we also have to consider that the ALIEN element was the Derelict/Space Jockey too and WHAT IF those Eggs were just a Bio-Weapon Engineered by them? (as it was implied) then you have another LAYER to that ALIEN Cake and one that opened up a World of New Possibilities.

When we consider the Reveal of the Space Jockey Race and Plot, this is very fitting with the Themes you mentioned NTFS because this is something the Engineers had been doing for a VERY VERY Longtime..

3. Conquest 

Hits the Nail on the Head.... Conquest/Discovery can lead to Leaps in Evolution to Aid with the other TWO Traits.

The Discovery of ALIEN Technology would surely make Enormous Changes to HOW Mankind goes about those THREE TRAITS that you pointed out.

By exploring the Engineers, or then even any Race/Species connected to them, we still are connected to the Xenomorph, as opposed to say exploring a World of Arcturian's or say another Bug Species like Starship Troopers.

To continue with the above....

I think if we look at our Engineers, indeed the LV-223 Engineers had some Bio-Mechanical Aesthetic to the Suits, and the Under Suit they wore you could see some resemblance to the Xenomorph.

There was a connection, maybe in detail thats a whole different Debate... but at the time of Prometheus they must have both been Engineered from the same Source or one comes from the other.

with Ridley Scott saying the Planet 4 Plain Jane Engineers are the Originals then we can look at the LV-223 either Genetically Engineered a Suit that attached to them, or there entire body was Engineered to evolve to that look.

I think in context to the OT...  David would see such Enhancements and Traits are something interesting to USE with his experiments.

When he saw the LV-223 Engineers and their Technology he appeared to be Impressed by these Advancements... when he saw the Planet 4 Engineers he may have felt they was a Step-Back from the Enhancements and Technology they had achieved.

So i think if David would be looking at Perfection, regardless of his Creations, i think he would see to a degree his Xenomorph DNA as something that could be applied to EVOLVE other Life on Origae-6, which could give us a bit more of that ALIENY Aesthetic.

Once something like this happens that carries or mutates to have a lot of Xenomorph Traits and lets say would start to Secrete the Substance/Change the Planet to have that more Xenomorph Hive like Construction Aesthetic.

Regarding the Bio-Mechanical Aspect.... i think the Plan was that this is something the Engineers had achieved or had Engineered their Technology off...   We have to remember at the time or Prometheus the Xenomorph had been around for Thousands of Years.

Yes we had Lindeloff and others say the Deacon was the Proto-Morph well Precursor to the Xenomorph, but this likely meant the DNA within the Black Goo and maybe the Mural and NOT a direct descendant of Dr Shaws Trilobite.

But as we are heading for the route that David Kick-Starts the Xenomorph Origins (lets assume at least) then having David Transfer his AI Soul into a Walter Model, and if the Walter Models are a Synthetic Construct like Elden from Fire and Stone... then thats a Convenient Route to obtain a Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph from a Bio-Mechanical Synthetic Host.

"Probably will be like an open air museum of horrors, with many failed experiments, an extension of his lab from planet 4"

Certainly thats what i was thinking ;)

I think a lot of us could say while Prometheus was more Mechanical than Organic in Terms of Engineers Technology, i think Fans Gradually Accepted it, and were Disappointed that Planet 4 appeared to lack this Engineer Technology Aesthetic.  I am sure many would have envisioned a Bio-Mechanical World.

The Fire and Stone comics showed us what a WORLD could be like once the Black Goo had taken Hold.... but with Alien Covenant they had it that it would only effect the MEAT or Organic Life, and not Plant Life (Spores are Fungi) I think expecting a ALIEN like World like the OT Banner is a Far Stretch at present, but once things go to POT then its something that a World could Evolve too in Future.

I think when we look at it from Davids point of view, and accept he has a Creator Agenda, to be Godlike, then from a Creator/Designer point of view, having a World Ripe with Life thats Unaffected that you can take Various Lifeforms and Experiment with, would be more ideal, than experimenting with Life that may have already been MASS infected.

Some of the Concept Work by Carlos Huante for a earlier draft of Alien Covenant, had shown David had experimented on Various Life on Paradise, but these certainly lacked a lot of the Xenomorph DNA/Aesthetic that the Mutations we saw in Prometheus had...

They looked very toned down, but certainly some had similarities to each other (these concepts) but not really to the Xenomorph/Deacon DNA..... but then if he could revert the Black Goo or Extract from it the Same Effects as we saw the Sacrificial Goo, then this stuff can basically Cross Hybrid any Life-form and so does not have to have any Xeno/Deacon DNA

If we saw such Experiments like this in Alien Covenant, or its sequel i think maybe Fans would have a right to Question their lack of Xenomorph DNA and related to the LV-223 Experiments.

But if they had the DNA of the LV-223 Experiments, then i think that would be more appeasing, as we saw with the Fire and Stone Comics.

I think what we have to look at is David and what would he create if he wanted to have his OWN impact on Life on a World, so that he can take Credit for Evolving/Engineering Life.

I think he would want to Perfect the Life on a World, and i would assume that when he looked at the Deacon he saw Potential in its Traits, which he then Engineered to get the Xenomorph... i would think that he would see his Xenomorph as having Almost Perfect Traits to then apply these to the Life on a World.

So i think it  makes more sense if say David Engineered some Animals they would have at least 25% Xenomorph DNA/Traits.  Or even if they had some HR Giger Aesthetic to them, but less Mechanical.

I think its great that their efforts are getting Good Well Deserved Recognition.

I think the New Jersey High school stands a way better chance of their Alien play encore happening before an Alien movie as of right now. I would welcome being proven wrong though.

A set of 4 films (including Covenant Awakening) is a completely realistic expectation. The Alien franchise has many concepts which can be explored. 

4 Alien films are expected in the next decade.

That is wishful thinking, right?

$ 30,000.00 is the prize for each of the 6 short films that won the Tongal/Fox competition.

3. Conquest 

2. Colonization and terra-forming

1. Space Exploration

Watch Containment, the first of the 6 short films dedicated to Alien 40th Anniversary, now streaming on IGN.

"To celebrate Alien's 40th anniversary and in partnership with Tongal, 20th Century Fox is releasing new Alien-universe fan-made short films leading up to Alien Day on April 26th. Written and directed by Chris Reading, the synopsis for "Containment" reads: "Four survivors find themselves stranded aboard a small escape pod in deep space. Trying to piece together the details around the outbreak that led to their ship's destruction, they find themselves unsure to trust whether or not one of them might be infected."