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I'm okay if they finish with a book, graphic novel or an audio series/radio drama......Just make it canon.
Keeping my fingers crossed so that he can finish what he started.
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If he claims he already knows where to go next, did he at least understood why AC underperformed? Grant him his wish...
I really hope to see the his conclusion! A:C could have been better, but the ideas are there and if he has a bit more focused script for the next one it should wrap up his storyline perfectly.
What you propose there, David as tragic hero/anti-hero is way better than the deranged robot without no particular reason to hate humanity other than he is better. Why even change the villain? And the sequel would have led to where exactly?
Well thanks for the other example (The Hobbit Trilogy, a 300 pages book turned into 8 hours of film, what an achievement ) of useless technology (48 frame/sec footage) and characters(Legolas, elf-lady, and Legolas' orc nemesis).
Over the two days following New Year I went to see Imperium I and II at Stratford on Avon it is six stories framed into two three hour slots. It was riveting and held my attention from start to finish. I only mention that because it never occurred to me that BR2049 was to long but I am perfectly happy to accept that maybe a reason for it bombing.
I like your point about saving money on characters. When something I am invested in fails (The Hobbit Movies and AC) when I am watching a successful movie I look for the differences not my preferences. In a sense I do not have a preference I simply want to be engaged. With the Hobbit the story telling values were incredibly weak with AC their were to many characters as well as it being a straight riff of Alien. The problem with Covenant is it was trying to set up the next movie otherwise a scout ship following the trail of say Davids internal beacon (which he is not aware of) could have found Paradise in double quick time. The audience then are engaged in a real thriller as we watch the movie through the scouts eyes and discover much more about Paradise pre David and the scouts are a worthy opponent of the god damn robot. The point of the movie would have been to discover the answers to Shaw's questions (why create and then destroy us) and would have left room for a much more sophisticated back story to David/Shaw which could have been told in flashback. It could also have discovered that the Alien Life Cycle was created out of hubris by the Engineers as an attempt to replace their role as acolyte and would have explained the Paradise Lost arc of LV223 and the ruination of Paradise, as well as leave the jockey contemporaneous with the LV223 break out but would represent some special element of the story. The Egg cargo is more religious and ritual than the canister cargo.
The end would have been very dark with the scouts transmitting the location of the derelict to the main frame and then being overcome by David who "canisters them" so a really intimate example of the pathogen when released airborne. Daivd like K can be left enigmatic but his "death" represents redemption trying to stop W-Y his fathers company. The tension in the film would be that David is redeemed but you are never sure rather than what we received. His redemption being triggered as an extension of his obvious real love for Shaw in the Crossing and her death through the long term effects of the infection generated by Charlie making love to her.
But Ridley wants his series of sequels ... which seem unlikely to be made now.
Michelle
The connection between LV 223 and 426 should have been made better, I agree. Unfortunately this was too vague or they never thought about it that much or they left out too much from the script in what became the movie.
I am not sure if it is unusual to dislike Shaw since many have a problem with the characters in Prometheus. This means that many people might have a problem with Shaw as well. Since I have not watched BR2049 I can not comment on K.
One thing that I liked about Prometheus was the black goo but they should have handled it a bit better but still it was alright. I think that this is what you mean when you say the alien pathogen.
In water he can imagine to be a super-Xeno...
Big Dave
I totally understand the point of exploring the SJ and the origin of the Xeno. These ideas are interesting but they have not been handled well.
Sure it could be interesting to get an idea of why the SJ had the eggs but now it is more about a mad robot than the SJ, which is a shame. The idea of using the eggs for some purpose is all fine but it got to be handled in a way that makes sense and that is interesting. Unfortunately it is indirectly caused by mankind since they developed David and David made at least one egg to use at humans. One problem is that at least one example of the Xeno is linked to humans and that there is too much focus on robots. My wish is that the Xeno should be more alien, less connected to human activity. There are probably many ways to make that more interesting than what they did in AC.
As far as the Xeno being a bio-weapon, this could be fixed by making the Engineers more lethal, powerful, something like that but it all depends on if they get them right. Maybe they could be a cast lower then the SJ like cousins. If they go that route they could save some mystery of the SJ after the prequels are done.
My problem is that they seems to suggest that David created the original Xeno. I hope that they will change it so he just made his own version because if they continue with the idea tat he made it then it becomes less interesting rather than letting it be something that another life-form did.
I sort of understood the themes but they were not very interesting. They should have written other things to the story.
"People may think its about Mad-Robots and David... but its more than that..."
Whatever their intentions are, that is how it comes off at the screen and they have failed if so at least with AC. Nope, they got to make it better then next time, have better human characters and less about the themes. Themes do not mean anything to me if there are no humans to identify with.
They look great, well done. Is it just me or does it look like the Xeno is flying at the bottom of the Resurrection poster? A super(man) Xeno? :D
Big Dave
Thanks
Alien was not his baby, it was more like a result of a collaborative effort (Scott, Giger, etcetera). It is a good movie but it is not a result of a one man show.
If me makes movies for himself then he can not be surprised if many people think that they are bad. Nope, the criticism of Prometheus and AC is still valid if you ask me, if Scott agrees or not is his thing. As much as he does movies for himself that is as much as I have the right to think what ever about their quality. When something sucks I say it because that is simply how I am as a person even though you got to choose your words according to the situation sometimes.
Prometheus got tome things right but it should have been closer to the Xeno and had better human characters. Some ambiguity is OK but Prometheus got too much of it if they expect a majority sit down many hours again and again they are wrong. They should have gotten a better connection to the monster (not actual Xenos, I agree) and better characters.
Exactly, the Zombie Fifield was lame and using the Xeno version should have been better as far as story-telling is concerned. Not only the Zombie version was a mistake but there were other things that it did wrong.
Maybe Scott and Fox felt that it was all that was needed but Scott is not a story teller, he is a visualist. I don’t think that he has a clue about what makes good writing. Yes keeping Prometheus away from the Xeno was a mistake although it was far from my biggest problem with it. Perhaps they thought that many persons would be pleased if they only brought the Xeno back but the problems with Prometheus were more than that but Fox and Ridley didn’t seem to understand that so we got lame characters again which I think that more people had problems with in P compared to the lack of Xenos.
Sure, I agree that it was good that they didn’t do A5.
“I dont think AC was bad because of the Xenomorph, just in some respects it was bad in how it was handled.”
This but that was just one thing that I had a problem with, my biggest problem was how they wrote the characters. They had not traits that stood out so no one became memorable. You could easily see who was who in Alien 1-3 but in Covenant they were mostly like blank papers. Sure they just threw in the Xeno and had it killed a short time after, if I remember it correctly (something that I am not sure if I do).
Yes I agree that the Xeno shouldn’t be on-screen for most of the movie and I like the ideas of the Engineers in theory it is just that it wasn’t handled well. Having it about David is worse since I find that far less interesting.
How to maintain it over 3 movies: I agree that they need something new it is just that I don’t like that they went the AI way. I would gladly see more of the Engineers and their connection to it, not make David responsible for it and have better human characters.
The Neomorph was fine and handled better than the Xeno even though they should have done the scenes with the Xeno better.
Prometheus had many issues but not having a Xeno in it was a very small problem compared to other things and if you search for criticism of Prometheus you will see that more people had issues with lame characters than not having a Xeno in it, search google for it. I am not too worried about that compared to other things (bad human characters mostly, and the Engineers could have been written better o at least had been better done on the screen). OK but I think that both Ridley and Fox misunderstood what the criticism was about, it was not mainly about no Xeno, it was that the characters were lame, that seems to be the main complaint.
"We will see Xenomorphs vs Engineers vs Humans and get the events that lead to Alien, and then leave it open for FOX to explore the Engineers in other movies if they go down well."
That is a very interesting idea but unfortunately AC did not work so now I have many doubts about the next one.
"They was not expecting the disappointment and back lash that Alien Covenant had got."
Mainly because of crappy human characters aside from Oram, and since the director was mostly interested in robots because that is how it turned out on the screen at least.
Alright maybe the characters were not crappy like in Prometheus but they did not have distinctive character traits.
He probably means more David movies, not the alien (Xeno).
"when people have a hard and fast franchise which has ongoing interest, it's crazy not to do something with it."
I wonder how much interest that will be left if they go on about it being about a crazy robot. Yes I know that Big Dave talks about the themes but that is how it comes off on-screen.
So now we will get a PG-13 alien movie? What I understand that means that violence must be without blood, I looked up what PG-13 means. Good luck with that in an alien movie. *rolls eyes*
"I'm in tune with where Covenant 2 would go. We already know what we'd do with that."
More David? I am already worried
Ati: More alien movies does not mean good movies. We could potentially get more AVPs so what would the point be in that? It would not make me happy at least. Quality is not the same thing as quantity. I understand that you are happy about it but think about it for a second what it could mean. Looking at the history of Alien related movies you will find that there are also some trashy ones (AVP, AR, and yes a lot of AC as well). Unfortunately after one OK prequel and one that was mostly a disappointment I do not have much hope that Scott would miraculously turn it around and deliver a great alien prequel.
TV-series? Maybe it could work, I am not sure but I guess that it is alright to try something new. If they do not show the Xeno too much then yeah perhaps, the focus got to be one the humans.
The writers need to understand science fiction and horror, they also need how to write characters. If they get those parts right then I think that the result could actually be something good. We have not had a good alien related thing since 1992, at least that is how I look at it.
I am not sure RS is one to be FORCED into much....
I think RS would be keen on Merlin because it could allow him to make a impact in the minds of Disney about what he can do, and how he can use Budget and Production/Shoot Time very well.
It appears even prior to AC, that David would have been a more central focus for any sequels he was doing anyway. In hindsight touching on a Alien Prequel was always going to be tricky, because you either had to tackle the Space Jockey as a Ancient Race/Event and then leave us to find out their Race has dealings in the FAR FAR reaches of Space away from the Explored Galaxy in Alien.
Or Eventually interact with them, which then we have to ask HOW would they see/view Mankind and would they then want to be interacting/destroying us within the Time-Line of Alien etc
And so looking at either of these, its then do they do it with not having many Human Characters? Nope cant see this working, hence the need to bring Humans into the Story.
Thanks, I am glad that we agree of the cooked-ness of David. Alright so they are necessary to the plot but they don't need to be in every scene (I am mostly thinking about David since that was the case of AC). To me the engineers should be in more scenes at least as a counterweight to David.
I agree that we don't need Xenos in every scene but we don't need David either. Yes the Engineers are interesting so I hope that they will be featured more in the next movie and make sense. There could be some smart explanation to them but they got to think about it. Prometheus was a step too far from the Xeno yes but then the Engineers are more interesting than David since they are more … alien with David being a result of human activity. Some people might like the idea of David but he is too close to humans if you ask me.
Yes they need something new and I like that aspect of Prometheus but it was ruined by crappy characters. They should have re-written them before they started to make the movie.
Subtitles to the Engineers should have been better because it fees more realistic. You do not think that a life form from far away in the universe would speak English, right?
A story from the Engineer's point of view could have worked. The clues should have been handled better in that way than what they were in Prometheus.
Everyone have their own reasons for watching alien movies, so yeah it will be difficult to make a movie that everyone likes. They tried to have different parts in AC, right? Unfortunately the movie was not that good but it could have been better. Having the Xeno jumping into a crane just to be killed by that was lame, I blame it on Scott. Yes if you show it too much you sort of get another Aliens or AR, that has already been done.
The alien queen should not even be in these films I believe. It is to early for that in how the Xeno evolves, a queen should come later on. Maybe it was not necessary at all since egg-morphing is more interesting/odd and fits the tone of the franchise better since it seems more gruesome to me at least.
Yup there are different parts of this so it is difficult to meet even somewhere in the middle.
Having David finding the eggs and evolving them would have been better. I am not sure why they rooted for this mes of version that we saw in AC. They should really have made this different than what we got on screen. To me it does not matter if it is a direct series of events if the result is underwhelming. Maybe they can still avoid spoon-feeding us how the derelict happened, they got to think about it though. I would like it to be that David did his version in AC but in the next movie he finds other eggs that they let us know we are older than what his version. By doing this they can avoid the fiasco of David being the creator of the original at least.
My idea of the Engineers as almost some Mayan society with priests, scientists and so on is a road that I think can be interesting. They got to be made menacing and a real threat. I think that this could be done if they get it right, they just got to think a lot about how they portray it. Perhaps they used the goo, got their own monsters, which laid eggs, and David took one of the eggs through some DNA-tampering and got his own version. This is how I would do it if I was the writer being in the position that they are now.
I like the idea of the Engineers more so than that about David. This could work but they got to get it right.
Sure it is difficult because of the set-up but it is not impossible. F the plot if the human characters are not done right. Evolving Daniels and Tennesee is difficult so that is why they got to get new and good characters in the next movie.
David's agenda is something that I am not very interested in. They can let it be a part of the next movie but not be the total sum of it so to speak. Less David scenes would be to prefer to compensate for Alien Covenant. Perhaps it is not the eggs that David do that end up on the Derelict, it could be made from somewhere else, I would like that o be the case. For some reason the Engineers have the original eggs with David re-creating them so he thinks that he did the original while he actually did a copy (the hubris theme that you mention). I think that his can be done but it will probably be crap.
"... unless some of the Humans Escape and then contain David…"
That would be nice, they kill him off and then they got to deal with the chaos that David created.
"I think i have a idea where RS is taking this, and its similar to the Plot/Idea i have…"
Which in short is? Maybe I have read it before but I have forgotten if so.
That kind of depends, if his plans are to make another David movie then I do not care if we never will see it or not then he can go on with the Merlin thing. I prefer no alien movie compared to one that is trash and is about David. Maybe they could give the last part to someone that is interested in the monster and that is good at human characters. Perhaps that movie would be better compared to if Scott would direct it.
In some way he has himself to blame for the direction he took with David. You probably can not blame the audience for not getting it in this case. An underwhelming movie is so no matter who directs it or writes it.
“Well if RS has gave up with ALIEN i cant see much of a future for the Franchise apart from maybe Miss Weaver trying to get Blomkamps (Ripleys) Alien 5 Popcorn Fan Service flick done."
Give it to someone that gives a crap about the humans and that are less interested in the David part. I am not sure if the final prequel movie needs Ridley, give it to someone that knows the genre and that demands good human characters before shooting the movie. For Ridley to be out of this, well I am almost willing to say good riddance man.
“… you know i could make TWO movies in the space of a year... Give me a chance to do a Alien Prequel.”
If so he should be forced to focus on the humans and make them likable and well-written. No more stories where the androids get 70% of the screen-time.
I think he would allow his Son to take some role in them, i think he has been nurturing his son for years and it would be interesting to see what Luke Scott could do when he gets his Big Break
"FOX just could not risk Funding TWO movies like this", yes, however they funded 200 mil $ for Cameron's Alita, a film about a robot Girl with movies like Ghost in the Shell and BR49 making less than 300 mil world-wide. I'm very interested how this unfolds...
I think there is potential....
But we will run into the same problems as the Prequels....
You will get a lot of fans who think ALIEN Franchise = Xenomorphs, Queens and some who think Ripley too..
Doing a TV series about Xenomorphs could run the risk of over showing our Xenomorph and cooking it, i think we need to look at the WALKING DEAD it started off as a Zombie Apocalypse but there is only so much Zombie Flesh Eating you can do before it becomes Stale, which is where the WD introduces us to other threats...
And so with a Alien Franchise, Ultimately its the WHY that would be more interesting than just Face Huggers jumping out of Eggs and Xenomorphs Exploding out of Bodies. The Sinister Actions and Agenda of the Company is always interesting to explore... likewise the ideas behind WHO/WHY the Xenomorph was created was more interesting.
I do think Streaming etc would be good for EXPANDED universe ideas though, but some would still think any movie related to the Alien Universe has to be about Xenomorphs.
"So I don't think millennials are to blame her, but the Director who sees himself first a business man than an artist."
From my understanding... RS had planned to explore 2 more movies after Prometheus that would have not directly connected to Alien, but certainly would have revealed the Agenda for the events around LV-223. I think FOX had felt in hindsight steering away from the Xenomorph was a mistake and that a Alien Franchise movie needs to be about Humans encountering Horrific Alien Monsters.
It was about Money $$$$ and i think FOX may have felt that a actual Alieny movie should make more money $$$$ a lot of Fans however were interested in the NONE Xenomorph elements opened up by Prometheus.
In hindsight Prometheus should have been more Alieny.... so that a sequel could steer away from the Alieny things, and would allow FOX to introduce another movie set on LV-223 that could be even more Alieny with another movie that would steer away and be about the Philosophy and Engineers.
FOX just could not risk Funding TWO movies like this, and so when they saw some criticism at Prometheus and interest in ALIEN 5, they felt that actually a Alieny Prequel Franchise is what would make more $$$$
I think i need to dig up any work i did on a Prometheus Remake, well Edit as my changes actually gave a bit more of a Alieny movie, and hinted at the clues to ALIEN a little more. My changes however would have made Prometheus a extra 25-30 min longer.
At the Crux of it all Michelle i can totally agree with those TWO points regarding Prometheus.
I feel when they was working to a Alien Franchise Prequel, which Prometheus was as far as being set in the same Universe and a Prequel, there were fans who expected it would be a literal Prequel and thus a ALIEN movie
A Alien Prequel movie thus, must show us how the Xenomorph was created (which Prometheus had clues, just too vague) and a Alien Prequel must have some relation to the Alien Franchise which was always the threat of Alien Organisms towards Human Characters and a Selfish Interest in the Organism by the Company. Prometheus did not quite deliver on these to the level Alien Fans expected.
This lead to another problem that indeed there was simply not enough Alien Encounters, i dont think its so much there was NO Xenomorph, i think Fans would have accepted not seeing a Alien Xenomorph, but they would have liked to have seen similar encounters with Humans.. Alien Engineers had a number of Humans vs Alien Organism scenes, and Alien Covenant did the same with the Neomorph.. I think Prometheus just lacked any of this and sadly Zombie Fifield and Angry Engineer could not replace having something more Alien looking attacking the Crew.
Yes some fans may have wanted actual Xenomorphs and Queens but i think this was a lower % like maybe 25% mark who would have wanted to see actual Xenomorphs, Eggs etc... and i think by a similar % some fans may have expected the movie to DIRECTLY lead to or begin to lead to ALIEN and show us those Eggs on the Derelict.
Prometheus however decided to loosely explore the Engineers (Space Jockey) that would open up for a more in depth expansion towards them, while giving subtle hints to the Xeno-Strain but hoping this would be enough to then be able to move away from showing HOW/WHEN the Xenomorph that ended up on the Derelict was created/obtained and ended up on LV-426
The Engineers/Creators and Creation theme was something they was setting up more, which was interesting but it maybe does not appeal to every ALIEN Fan, Prometheus was setting up to be a Alien Franchise movie series but not exactly a ALIEN movie franchise as far as to connect directly to the events of ALIEN
I think a number of fans did not get/understand or even were interested in these Creation Themes... the Broad Idea basically is asking a few Questions about Mankind.
*We are a Machine, a Biological one, our Brains are like a Advanced Computer. And so RS was touching upon if we created a Synthetic Humanoid with a Advanced Computer Brain, that then can start to think for itself, see itself as more than just a Machine, then we have to ask what makes Biological Humanoids and Synthetic Different? THE SOUL?
What is a Soul?
*Something we can use to judge the Moral Compass of a being, someone who is kind and generous has a Good Soul, someone Evil and Selfish has a Wicked Soul?
*Something that is used to explain how Spiritually connected a person is, by this not in someone who follows a faith, but someone who has a Spiritual Soul, who looks at the calm and good of all things.
*The Memories and Experiences of a Person what makes us who we are and unique.
If a SOUL is any of these, then a AI could have a Soul as such... especially if when we HUMANS Die, we are No More, our Soul/Spirit does not go onto a higher plane of existence, we are just GONE! and if this is the TRUTH then Mankind has NO SOUL.... but a AI actually could because they could carry on their Soul to another Body/System.
So when we look at a SOUL what RS was pondering is not just about that a SOUL is something a Human has that is our Spirit that when we die means we go to Heaven/Paradise to live FOREVER and so RS was not suggesting this, what he was doing was giving us some ideas that make us have to THINK long and HARD about if there is such a thing as a SOUL in that context or if a SOUL is only in context to the points i raised above and if so, then a AI can possess that kind of Soul.
But it was also about Creation, and teasing the idea that we have about Gods and Divine Creation could actually be far from the truth, by revealing our Creators are no more than Ancient Humanoids and it was the whole tackling the subject of why beings would Create Mankind, and then why they would want to destroy us and this is followed through with having to ask the same thing for why we created Synthetics and then why in Hindsight this could be a bad bad thing.
The story of Mankind ==> David is thus echoed from Engineers ==> Humans and likely who ever created the Engineers too.
It was also about touching on the theme, that playing God and Sub-creating or even Genetically Evolving yourself rather than just accept who you are naturally and be happy with that... but when a being decides to Sub-create we can see this could lead to a big HUBRIS and so RS was tackling a Theme about Creators, Creating Life that is intended to not be as equal to the Creator but then the Creations becoming aware and seeing and asking, why should we be treated any different to our Creators.
But some think that the whole Angle was to just explore Robots... when its about Creation and maybe AI being just a term for Artificially Created, and so not created via Sexual Reproduction, or by the natural Evolution over Millions of years... And so to a degree Mankind in Prometheus are a form of AI to the point that we was Artificially Created via the Sacrificial Scene and then Genetically Manipulated over time rather than something that happened as a Natural Evolution from Micro-Organisms.
The difference being Humans could Procreate, Synthetics Could not... and i think they could have been exploring this with showing us those Planet 4 Engineers and then LV-223 Engineers which may show us those LV-223 Engineers can not procreate and maybe are after all Biological DAVIDS
Sadly while all of this is interesting.... for ALIEN fans some of them feel it detracts away from the Xenomorph and Alien Franchise without knowing that Prometheus was to set up a different NONE Xenomorph Franchise within the same Universe. I can see some Star Wars fans maybe likewise complain about the Han-Solo movie if it does not have anything to do with Jedi/Force...
I am really glad that you liked BR49, but I guess that the problem of it being too long contributed to it's flop (Scott clearly said that it should have been shorter). And why use expensive gimmicks such as 3D, when it is already dying? And why to bring back Ford in the first place (and that contrived serial number on replicants bone why did they need the VK test in the first movie)? They easily could have reduced the cost and the quality would have remained the same.
And if they gone as originally planned with P2 they could have saved money on actors (Franco cameo), thus eliminating cliched deaths, poking the nose in stuff and other things which I don't think millennials are really into. With a good script and well rounded story they could made as much as with an Alien title. But they wanted more money and a endless stream of sequels (something akin to modern comic book movies).
So I don't think millennials are to blame her, but the Director who sees himself first a business man than an artist.
Well the original story of Arrival was ripping off (ok, inspired by) Slaughterhouse Five, even Ted Chiang recognized.
dk And they should look for real science fiction writers. Star Trek had Theodore Sturgeon, The Twilight Zone had Ray Bradbury... there are some fine sci-fi writers out there nowadays, like Ted Chiang, who wote the story "Arrival" is based on. Fanfiction should be considered too. Actually, it is rumored that the Star Trek NG episode from which Quentin Tarantino got his idea for his Star Trek film was originally based on fanfiction.
Agreed!! Small budget streaming series based on established franchises are an awesome platform for actors, and you know they will put in a top performance to get themselves noticed. So it's win win!!
In Australia/New Zealand we have Starz Productions who have been taking up and coming actors, and even established TV actors, and getting them exposure on the world stage. They have now completed 2 amazing series in Spartacus and Black Sails.
Fans of Arrow and Chronicles of Shannara might recognise Manu Bennett and his humble beginnings from said series. A great success story right there!!
It could be a good thing for up and comers. For instance, Twilight Zone had some folks act who went on to have pretty good careers. Just to name a few: Leonard Nimoy, William Shatner, Telly Savalas and Ron Howard.
Disney, I hope you are listening.
Would love to see this!!!
A comedian once said that our world problems could be solved if we just choose not to be a dick. That is hard to argue except for taking my center piece of cornbread.
Your remarks about why you where not interested in BR2049.
The movie is not about robots. It is way more enigmatic than that. it is asking questions about what is consciousness. its asking us to think about how you define life, the lines are blurred and in that blurring it has the audacity to make us question how humanity might evolve not an old fashioned stronger better way but in a spiritual way. What is soul ?
It is very important to the discussions about the Prequels because Michael Green polished both BR2049 which lead Harrison Ford into the movie and revised the Jack Paglen script. Prometheus 2 at this point was when the "beast was cooked" and "I'm done with dragons and all that shit". it was to feature multiple Davids who would infect the source of the Engineers power which one can see is echoed in subsequent scripts was mechanical in origin. So the key revelation of P2 was the Engineers creation mythos was they were .....Engineers which was held into John Logan's pre filming script.
If P2 had the focused character development, visionary existential feel of BR2049 it could have been extra ordinary .... but like BR2049 it would have bombed with the millennials.
This leads me to some of the comments left out of the site. It is common knowledge that the rebranding of the sequel into an ALIEN prefix movie was a direct response to substantial parts of the core fan base drooling over Alien 5. If that movie had not been mooted either P2 would have gone ahead or been cancelled.
Ridley Scott and Fox made the mistake of not properly understanding the critique of Prometheus. It was not lack of the Xenomorph it was two things :-
1) It did not make clear the relationship between the events of LV 426 and LV 223 including where the Xenomorph fitted into the evolution of the Alien Pathogen. The movie should have answered some questions and left the wider creation question for P2.
2) It did not deal with the modern need for characters to be seen to behave with perfect vision and for their actions to always be explained.
In the case of T & D he is unusual in that he didn't like the flawed questing Shaw character whereas for me she like K in BR2049 was the perfect mediation of our questions about creation.
This is what happens if someone takes my center piece of cornbread or beer for that matter:
I would love that. It could have recurring characters but it would not be required. It would also rid us of the frustrations of waiting for a formal movie that polarizes fans. Seems win/win.
I love the idea. Specially if we get stand alone episodes or 2 part episodes like in the original Star Trek TV series.
Even Alien Isolation had the bird.
I think you said the Weyland TED talk was a day ahead or behind that as well?
Thanks dk. I Thought i was missing some detail to the post!!! lol.
The main reason for the chosen date is to coincide with Dallas' birthday date.
Didn't look that old when he died but that's the web.
Apparently there is a drinking bird in Alien3 too (Andrews Office)!!!
