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Nice captures and observation.

I hope to god Jack Paglen and Michael Green aren't working on the script because Covenant is a mess.

This looks REALLY GOOD! I wonder if it could be released on Steam somehow.

So cool! Can't imagine doing this without CGI. Those old timers were really something....Lot's of shadows...and quick cuts I suppose.

true, david informs them of the organism and it wouldn't take much for them to connect lv223 to the signal on lv426. im assuming the company has already decoded the signal and know its a warning so given the nature of davids information, im sure they believe something hostile is involved on lv426

was going to say that. theres no evidence that the hammerpedes comes form eggs. I believe the intended impression ridley set for them was the worms were infected then mutated into the hammerpeds.

I go with conspiracy. WY obviously knew something was there and Ash's mission was to retrieve the organism no matter the cost. Advent seems to be a message towards WY informing them of the organism so there's that. Hopefully by the time the prequels wrap up we'll get our answer. 

space is a huge place and the events simply get lost there. im not sure but I don't think, other than the attempt to contact the company when the crew first come out of hypersleep, that anyone sent any messages from the nostromo.

Very interesting idea, Gavin. Good discussion.

I lean towards "conspiracy" but I have no idea "how much" conspiracy, if that makes any sense. I find it hard to believe that in the future people would not find out QUICKLY if a private starfaring crew encountered something really bad, so I don't know how much could truly be kept away from the everyday person.

going by the timeline, the owner of the company died onlv223, a neighbouring moon. there must be so many eyes watching to see what the company does and if they send anyone 'ifficially' there, more people would want to know what happened to the expedition. the nostromo, already in outer space, would be the perfect vessel to bypass all unwanted eyes and questions. also with the order of diverting uploaded into the ships computers, the company can deny any direct involvement

ali81 +1! You pretty much nailed it!

The hammerpedes were not born from eggs. They were transformed from those worms shown earlier in the movie that were doused in the black pathogen on the floor. Contact with that form of the pathogen mutated them.

If you are so stuck on the Fox marketing material being canon, read that one you were just talking about earlier again :) - Hammerpede - result of indigenous worms of LV-223 being exposed to the Black Liquid.

The film makers also confirm this in the Prometheus supplement materials.

That is the same form of the pathogen that Fifield was exposed to, and he was mutating into something else as well. The form Holloway was exposed to was doing something different to him, as he never became violent or showed signs of the same mutation as Fifield. Just tissue infection and discoloration, and the tiny worm-like parasites inside him.

I believe the Neomorph was merely an evolutionary stepping stone towards the Xeno David creates. So I don't think we'll see it again but I hope we do. It was a great creature but with the Xeno around there would be no point. The Deacon on the other hand I feel needs to be addressed. The way they did the ending of Prometheus left you questioning it's origin. We know very little about the Deacon and the Mural and how it ties in with the Xenomorph.

conspiracy 100%. it would tie into the motives of the company and using a non military vessel that was kinda passing by anyway would help reduce any prying eyes questioning what they were up to. plus with the crew in hyper sleep there wouldn't be any objections as the ship diverted of its own accord. there also wouldn't be the chance of any rival company smuggling a spy on board

the company were not aware of any xenomorph being on lv426 as no report or evidence has 'yet' been established to allow david to inform them that anything specific is there. due to the signal, they know something intelligent or of intelligent origin sent the signal.

lol I had to take a double look at the picard parody, I knew id seen it before but I had to say it out loud for it to click lol

his arms wide-FREE HUGS

I think the neomorph will go the same way as the deacon but id say theres more chance seeing the deacon again as we should be going back to the same neighbourhood whereas the only way the neomorph will return I believe is if one stows away on an engineer ship that's returns to planet 4 and see what david has done.

I definitely believe they both should have bigger roles in the series. I love the neomorph and we just didn't get to see anything of the deacon. as u say a shame imo

hahaha I nearly did that aswell

@ Michelle - "You clearly do not read other peoples posts in the thread because I actually made that point in my first post I am well aware of where this script sits in the evolution."

"You make many very good points but it gives the impression you are not in a conversation but a monologue." 

What the hell? Chill. I could have said the same of you - many times - but did not.

But to your accusation, I did read your posts in this thread and you never mentioned the script date or that Ridley changed his tune about the sequel story in interviews around that time. And I was agreeing with you, so I don't know what you are talking about. Are you thinking of something you said in another thread?

Posted mine :)

Initially I posted it as a 10 Cloverfield Lane review by accident lol

unfortunately when im on here I am at my work. my work have blocked sites such as avpg as it comes up under 'games'??? is there any link available that would allow me to read the script?

ali81 True, it's just a joke. lol Thanks

The major piece of evidence that the goo is lethal to engineers, is that we see those worm-like creatures totally swimming in the black goo (the biggest dosage possible), in Prometheus, and they don't disolve or burn to a crisp. They just laid eggs which hatched into hammerpedes (their form of 2nd stage parasite). Thus I think the effect we see on the engineers is specific to their genome only.

I think he needs to go back to basics and remember why he is here. the problem I think is that RS and fox will have had a budget necessary for ridley to show case everything in mind and after the review and feedback from Prometheus theyv said ''HELL NO'' so hes had to change the way he tells the story.

The Bay-inator - dear god can you imagine?

lawri, don't take it too seriously bud.

posted mine

@ Sherris

"but is that not like Fifield getting splashed in the face?" - Not really, as I said in another post, Fifield was wearing a protective suit, and only got a smallish splash on the face through his melted helmet. The engineers got it epicly rained down on them, while wearing only cloth robes, with all of their bald heads showing. They got a much bigger dosage than Fifield. Anyway, we also know from David, that the goo has different reactions to different genomes and that it kills some creatures outright. It may be the case that it kills engineers outright, as it was never designed for engineers as the target. Either is possible. But yes, the one goo theory has the most evidence at the moment, by a long way.

David never gave anyone a reason to believe he was a liar until Walter found Shaw's corpse though. 

another worrying point is that perhaps for originality and effects the transformations have been kept fresh rather than have the same thing happen to each person. so it is always ingested in a different way, different dose  to warrant changes in the transformations. this is great on the eye for the casual fan but causes much confusion to us.  perhaps it is more down to effects than continuity which is sad for a franchise but effects sell some tickets i guess.

1 Goo is my guess

Amazing debate by the way !!!!!

My opinion pre A:C was that it was all one goo.

post A:C i can not say for certain.

the engineer transformations in the pics are different to what we have seen. i had noticed the strange shapes coming out of their chests. at first i thought maybe because it was delivered in a different way. like rained down from urns but is that not like fifield getting splashed in the face?

i am going to guess that it is one goo. evidence is shakey on both sides so i am going with FOX and that is 1 goo. However it is entirely possible they u turn it.

My concern is sometimes a few of us agree on something and over time gets repeated until it is gospel. Take the prequel novel - i was lead to believe that it was a prequel to a:c with David and Shaw. it was not. but we all thought it was fact because we assumed. i am just careful that we dont do it with this as it is a key piece of the story. all hinging on a quote from a novel.

Beat part:

David: I'm kind of a liar, please put your complete trust in me.

Oram: done!

Holy shit that was funny

Lilly (Svanya) That dog is ADORABLE <3 <3 <3 lol

I do prefer the Assembly Cut but the dog burst I felt was more emotional, no one wants to see a doggo perish :(

Kethol

You clearly do not read other peoples posts in the thread because I actually made that point in my first post I am well aware of where this script sits in the evolution.

My question was whether people felt it showed a much more minimalist connection than the actual material we received in total.

Try paying attention to everything thats posted in a thread you have a habit of repeating a point people have already made.   

You make many very good points but it gives the impression you are not in a conversation but a monologue.  

BigDave

I think your over making the allegorical point over Shaw and making 2 and 2 add up to 7. 

It was plot necessity that she died in the Alien Prefix movie and the most direct workman like way was for her to be hugged. 

What I think is interesting about this bare bones type approach is   instead of the tapestry of progressive torture of Dane and Matts painting it is very simple.

1) Shaw wakes to a night mare and applies her religious beliefs to the catastrophe. 

2) David discovers the Eggs growing out of the pathogens interaction with the planet and Shaw gets face hugged end of. 

Clearly what happened in production is Ridley got a sense he needed to do more to make linkages and deepen the story with Elizabeth and added the kind of material that appears in the Crossing and Advent BUT then left most of it out of the film anyway.

I would have stuck with Johns script lowered the temperature of Davids obsession with Elizabeth and once he had got ahead use her as the first victim. That way we would not be left with this mash up of unbridled love followed by unbridled appalling torture. I am not the only one who has said he did not love her even in his own weird way. As Michael said he was more like a stalker.   

Incidentally notice how so little of your source ideas ended up in this script.  

If David isn't the creator of the Xenomorph than the narrative started in Prometheus will fall a part. The prequels would serve no point than to expand on the Space Jockey/Engineers and everyone's journey thus far would be truly pointless. Prometheus begun with finding our creators and Covenant is about creation and obviously the Awakening will be about destruction. David being the creator makes sense. The synthetics have always been background characters but little did we know that they serve an integral role. The derelict craft was estimated to over 2000 years old by space truckers that assumed the Space Jockey was an exoskeleton as opposed to a suit. I know that it's been this way since forever but it's not like it's actually been firmly cemented how old the derelict was outside of comics (not canon) and ADFs novels (also not canon). The Engineers did create/found something related to the Xenomorph but what they found was an ancestor not what David creates. Just look at the mural, it is obviously a Deacon shape and the facehuggers aren't the ones from the original. David found the blueprints and modified their bioweapon. That's my two cents.

I thought the green goo was just part of the tech used to build the green holograms of the engineers running?  When they run by David his hair get's blown so there is some matter passing by.  

Would assume the goo is slathered on the entire ship as a memory/recording system?

Anyone agree?

@ S1m0n

Yeah I agree with you dude. I just wish some others would.

@ ali81

Sorry dude, there is no hard evidence for multiple types of goo. David says "The pathogen took many forms, and proved extremely mutable" not "There were many forms of pathogen which were extremely mutable".

David means the original pathogen mutated into different forms to get round different bodily defences. Please read the novel. It's all there in black and white.

The one original pathogen mutated into different forms after infection of different hosts, not before hand.

lol I liked the Picard parody, I did actually chuckle