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David, I relate to him so. Fassbender nails the part and you couldn't imagine another actor in the role. He's like a dark Bishop (another fantastic character). I also liked Clemens a lot as well and was sad when he was killed like that. Other favorites are Hudson, Parker, Golic, and Call.

If Ridley didn't put so much detail into the suits, it wouldn't be an alien suit lol Remember what the Nostromo crew wore? They had so much detail in those suits. I feel the same way about the sets, it wouldn't be Alien if Ridley didn't put so much into the sets. 

I wouldn't say the 'nobody' actors were to the films detriment. Remember, most of the actors from the original films were nobodies until Alien.

all I read was 'And no..I'm not willing to entertain the idea of the neomorph having no life cycle' so impossible to have any form of adult civilised conversation

but anyway..

The franchise is full of unfortunate souls that make unlucky decisions but it's surprising that now it's a point of contention. I feel like it's cuz we aren't getting Neil's fanfic and that side of the fanbase was looking for any perceived faults against Covenant.

Honest Trailers review was dumb af lol The Picard thing was funny but they definitely didn't watch Covenant, I mean really watch it, cause most of their complaints had answers in the film. "They went off course for a John Denver song!1!" It was an S.O.S. and it was human, remember the WY law from the first film where they have to investigate this stuff? Also there are 6 Alien films, Prometheus. In the end it's all subjective but their "honest" review was garbage that panders to the lowest common denominator. It's funny that it came out as soon as A:C comes to home video.

daliens -

The planet's dirt and molten layers would absorb the acid. 

And no..I'm not willing to entertain the idea of the neomorph having no life cycle, as that would not fit with what we know about their close related cousins the xenomorphs. It would not make any sense. Unless RS comes out and plain says "They don't have a life cycle", then I will just use logic and accept that they do.

Dude, David didn't make the xenomorph from scratch. The "Advent" extended scenes make it clear that he infected Shaw with the black goo, then tweaked the result (probably her mutated egg cells) by adding neomorph DNA, using the black goo as a catalyst. How would that add a life cycle to the xenomorph? David was adding various neomorph DNA to "tweak" the resulting creature for more "aggression" as he puts it, not to add a life cycle. It seems obvious that the life cycle is built in to the black goo design already. You say "it wouldn't be necessary for the neomorph to reproduce on its own.", Why not? If there is some life left that didn't get infected by the black goo, it would be eaten by the ever increasing population of neomorphs. Also remember, to create a neomorph, you must kill another organism, thus speeding up the death process for all (none plant) life. The Engineers would just wait a few years (10 years in the case of David dropping the goo) for all fauna to be exterminated, all the neomorphs would die out anyway from starvation, thus no more threat to them. Engineers play a long long game. They don't need quick solutions for anything.

Well if Cameron is not available to direct the next prequel after 'Covenant' then perhaps Scott should produce and let Fincher take the helm, thereby getting the chance to do what Fox wouldn't let him on 'Alien3'.

Still it's always interesting to hear what a director of one of the sequels thinks of the prequels - thus far.

On this topic you can check the pulse monitor on Daniels pod when she realizes that Walter is in fact David, it goes from 81 to 161 or so. A detail that most viewers don't look for.

All details in the movie are carefully observed, nothing is overlooked, therefore if the Engineers look different on Paradise it is for a good reason.

torgo, Id definitely agree on the characters and AC being poor. for me I just think it wasn't a case of the characters being believable, it was the lack of character building. imo we didn't really get to know about them so didn't really have feelings when they got killed off. Tennessee was a good character I thought but the rest were just people who were there. even daniels couldv just been another member of the crew rather than the lead.

Haha it would probably be hard to stop Ridley from putting that much detail into everything! I think that is the reality of his films as well as most other films. Building a world, whether completely fictional, based somewhat in reality, or totally in reality, it takes a hell of a lot to put that together (even a world for a standalone film). Those ltitle details, how everything works and having a function for every little piece in a spacesuit, are part of what makes a film immersive. 

That's probably not new information to most here, but it was a super long winded way to sound smart and state that I don't think the details, such as the amount that went into Covenant spacesuits, will, or necessarily can, be left out of Ridley's next entry into the franchise. 

I mean, MAYBE some can be cheated/left out, but due to the level of detail Ridley will want to/end up put(ting) in, anything that could be left out would not make enough of an impact budget wise. Basically, it would be more worth it to go super hard on the ever-so-slight details. 

I'll take the rich narrative of believable characters of Cameron films especially now that i have lost faith in Ridley. Now JC would have never made Prometheus which is awesomely bold and was nearly a masterpiece. Scott just seems to want to keep as busy as possible which I completely respect but it cost AC the story structure and proper execution it deserved. However I will not continue to support bad filmmaking which is what Scott Free gave me in Covvy.

if it is true that RS is going down the route that david is responsible for the xenomorph, then it makes sense for it to have a reproductive life cycle as his motives behind its creation is the perfect organism. the motives behind the engineers creating the goo was it to be a weapon. just because the deacon and xenomorph have reproductive cycles doesn't mean the neomorph has to. the neomorph is a desired result and part of a weapon. whats hard to think that maybe when designing it, the engineers would want to limit any threat to themselves and removed the neomorphs ability to reproduce. also given that the egg sacs do that process already it wouldn't be necessary for the neomorph to reproduce on its own.

its not an argument simply a theory which u obviously are not willing to even entertain, which is fine with me. im completely open to the neomorph having a reproductive cycle but looking at it from a weapon perspective it wouldn't be necessary. I accept all forms of theories and opinions, which apparently u do not but anyway.

What do you mean "Black goo spores"? Those spores are tiny insect things that come from mutated fungus. They don't come straight from the black goo. By the way, The engineers designed the black goo which always leads to some kind of neomorph or xenomorph being spawned. This same black goo led to the xenomorph *which has a life cycle!*. Was it different goo that led to the neomorphs? Nope. Same goo. Thus I would say - Same goo, same design, same life cycle. *Shrugs.* How would the neomorphs get "off the planet"? I think the engineers have a big enough masterplan to stop that happening lol. You could also ask, what if the black goo got off the planet somehow..smuggled perhaps? I've no idea what you are arguing there, but anyway.

the point of my theory that im suggesting is that when the engineers created their weapon is that would it make sense to give the neomorph the ability to procreate on it own. the black goo spores along with the host creates the neomorph when required so would be required for the neomorph to be able to reproduce itself. if a neomorph got off the planet and got onto a world the engineers didn't want culled, there would be direct threat to them if it could procreate on its own, thus becoming a threat to them directly. when engineering the weapon and removing the ability for the neomorph to do this on its own limits any contamination on other worlds which is a threat the xenomorph has as it has it own reproduction cycle. its not hard to accept if the neomorph does have this ability, im just looking at it from the perspective that it is a weapon and surely the engineers would want to limit the level of threat the creature poses to simply a killing machine but one that would die out on its own if it got out of the desired area

See those fungal egg sacs..as mutated fungal eggs, just as the xenomorph eggs are mutated Shaw eggs. Xenomorph eggs are also laid by xenomorph Queens. Thus we can logically conclude that neomorph Queens can birth fungal egg sacs, to release more insect spore parasites, to continue her life cycle.

Michelle Johnston - Would just like to this opportunity to thank you for your interaction on "our" thread. i enjoying learning and embrace any changes i can as the comments have been really enlightening.

Very happy with all you exchanges many thanks.

Now for a all out war Cloaked Engineer leads a roman style battle, Engineer sword,shield infantry into close quarters frontline battle with Davids Xenos. The centre of the field hand to hand would be so distrurbing if done in full horror. 

a different approach in a sci fi battle. i havent thought the reasoning yet;)

There is no evidence that the trilobite requires a female to gestate in. If Holloway didn't have sex with her, it could simply have burst out of him alone. But, what are you trying to argue exactly? Engineers designed the black goo to wipe out ecosystems. They drop the black goo bombs, the bombs mutate life forms and lead to neomorphs being born. We know xenomorphs have a life cycle involving a Queen (and/or eggmorphing). Seeing as xenomorphs are the result of the black goo as well....why is it hard to imagine that neomorphs also have a similar life cycle to the xenomorph? It simply is not an issue for the engineers. Once all life has been destroyed by goo and the neomorphs, the neomorphs will no longer have food to eat and will just die out naturally. It does not matter that the "fallout" might last a while, Engineers have evolutionary plans that span BILLIONS of years. They don't mind playing the waiting game. I suggest that Engineers are basically immortal, unless something directly kills them. They have probably conquered "old age" related death. Time is on their side.

and what exactly did I make up? the evidence is right the ion AC for u to see. the neomorph did NOT create the spores that infect the crew. the goo created them. and where did u see the neomorph eggs that 'obviously' look like the fungal egg sacs the spores came from? please share the link as I 'obviously' missed that in the film

the trilobite required an infected male to mate with a female, surely not something the engineers took into account when designing the weapon.

what im saying is the neomorph is a genetically engineered 'fallout' of the weaponised goo. its initial 'detonation' designed to kill en mass a localised population and then the 'fallout' takes care of the rest. if you had designed a weapon, would you design it that the fallout remains and you cant return to repopulate the area? I certainly wouldn't as theres no logic to that imo. id take all steps to ensure as little chance of any threat to myself so id add fail safes such as a limited life span to the neomorph and also a reverse pathogen for the goo. id return some years after the goo had been deployed, knowing the neomorphs had died out then that left me with making the spores inert, that way I could leave the planet habitable

The life cycles we know so far -

Black goo + Human male = Trilobite + Host = Deacon

Black goo + Human female (+ Neomorph DNA) = Facehugger + Host = Xenomorph

Black goo + Fungus = Insect-like spores + Host = Neomorph

Black goo + Worms = Giant worms + Host = Unknown

It only makes sense that all these cycles continue somehow.

@ali81 The Xenomorph eggs were also the results of the mutagen (effecting Shaw), but they are known to be the start of the Xenomorph life cycle. The "dangerous organisms" would die out anyway, once all life on the planet had been killed and eaten. I don't know where you get the idea of the goo "only creates enough neomorphs to wipe out what life forms are present". You appear to have totally made that up yourself. Please stick to known truths in your arguments.

but the fungal egg sacks were the result of the black mutagen, not the neomorph. does it make sense to have the neomorph breed? if the engineers had later plans for the planet, why have a dangerous organism spread that they now have to deal with? the spores created by the goo produce the neomorph. as david states it lays dormant waiting for a host. is only creates enough neomorphs to wipe out what life forms are present then goes dormant again. wouldn't be a wise design to have the neomorph hanging about especially if ur intent is to wipe out all life. that's my theory anyway

The Neomorphs probably do breed, in a similar way to Xenomorphs. Possibly using a Queen, or by "egg-morphing". Obviously Neomorph "eggs" look like those fungal egg sacs from which the insect-like spores emerge from. Those spores, are like the facehugger stage of the Xenomorph. I also think of the Deacon creature as another kind of Neomorph, birthed from an Engineer of course. Because its first life stage was Holloway's trilobite, I think Deacon eggs would also hatch into trilobites, which would then continue the life cycle. If the Xenomorph has a life cycle, there is no reason that the Deacon and Neomorphs won't have their own cycle.

I think the first 3 alien movies were the best because they had a coherent plot and kept the Xenomorph scary and mysterious. We found out it takes on the form of its host (alien 3, an Ox/dog) and we still had Ripley and Bishop (sorta). While I didn't like killing off everyone it at least had the right tone and if they were gonna kill Ripley off they picked a great way for her to go. 

I agree Jonsey did get best deal by staying on earth but it also would have been fun to see the cat running around in a movie. The jump scares alone make it worth it. I also agree they need to kill Daniels and Tennessee right off the bat in next movie. I would have liked if Ridley did it at the end of AC too. It is kinda implied that's what's gonna happen but I think literally seeing David experiment on them would have been a darker, scarier, and more satisfying end to an alien movie. 

Back to the where is this going question, I really hope the next one has a clear direction and gets the tone right. Alien = death and fear. 

the difference I believe is that the black goo is a weapon. the resulting creature, in this case the neomorph, doesn't appear to be able or designed to procreate unlike the original xeno. the original xeno has a life cycle and the ability to continue the species. im guessing from material iv read and heard, the basics of the goo is that it will create a creature (neomorph) which will the hunt down and kill all fauna on a planet. once the neomorph had killed everything it would then naturally die. the engineers give this time and then return with possibly an antidote or reverse pathogen to make the planet habitable again. id say the neomorph is a completely different species to the xeno. so where the xeno is concerned I prefer morphing but I think both should remain in the alien universe 

Very cool!

Check this out: https://vimeo.com/229059877

Also, just to add, Cameron's "vision" was to make another Hollywood mainstream film that pleases the masses and in doing so, his "vision" was to make as much money as possible. Ridley made something beautiful, a piece of modern art. Cameron is a crowd pleaser 

Outstanding, love it 

I like eggmorphing...but it's all really confusing!? Unless the facehuggers actively seek out their prey ...I don't see how 'morphing' or Queen laying eggs works? Only so many stupid humans getting close enough(or being held)....once the news gets to the general population, everyone will avoid the eggs/pods and the marines will set out to destroy them on sight. End of species.

"Look an egg.."

*BLAM*

"That was easy!"

Black goo pathogen is much better....airborne..water supply...food supply..really hard to know when you are digesting it...(unlike a egg/facehugger!) Microscopic...Pretty much makes a planet uninhabitable.

"Look.."

"I don't see anything?!"

"I feel sick..."

BUT, in terms of film making ...I'd probably choose the Queen Xeno first(visually stunning).....then Egg Morphing(cool)...then black goo(not really something to film?).

@loadagain bingo. Which is why daliens posted this, I'm sure you're aware. Good job. Tired of all the attempts at negativity via propaganda and manipulation. Not fair.

Absolutely Ridley. As I've made it known before, I completely disregard Aliens now. It simply does not "fit". Heck, even Alien Ress. is better, over time. Ridley has gone astray and has been led too much by millennial corporate control/social media, so I cannot say that "A:C" was "his vision". Prometheus, while a "polarizing" movie, was certainly grand and fantastic and full of mystery, quite similar to the first "Alien", and I think had that path of Ridley's been followed, we would've gotten to see much more of it, sadly.

I like cosmic horror....So I like Ridley Scott's vision.

Cameron's take is great...but I've never liked the 'bug hunt' feel, would rather the 'bugs' be far more mysterious and deadly.

I think David is a modern day Freddy Krueger/Jason Voorhees with a Hard-Science reality. Can't really ever kill him.

Prior to the release of AC, I mentioned that I preferred the mystique of Ridley's original vision. 

After watching AC that I liked but didn't thoroughly enjoy like Alien or Aliens, I feel like Aliens was more coherent than AC, and that just because it's simple it doesn't mean that it's bad.

In fact, Aliens is a pretty darn perfect film too with its own action-horror merits. 

AC similarly to Prometheus is all over the place although to a lesser extent. 

David, Clemens, Dillon

David, he's brilliant 

There wouldn't be a franchise if it wasn't for Ridley so has to be Ridley, it's his. We would have ended up with a b movie otherwise so in my eyes it's not even a valid question 

loadagain agreed.

Even if they were space Romans I still think it looked pretty boring at that colliseum, the Romans had people being eaten by lions to watch but these dudes didn't even have some poorly CGI'd chariots to watch.  It makes no sense, these people have space ships and they made goo.  Even Buddhist monks have cell phones.  What do they do all day?  The other thing that bothered me was also due to the whole contamination thing.  You have a robot and probes.  nobody cares if the robot dies, you can just rinse him off and stick more white snot in him if he breaks.  Why not just send him to the planet, you could just stick a parachute on his head or drop him in a suit like that guy who jumped from space.  Go check out that place that looks like there's a load of corpses who've been sat around watching eat a Christian special and then radio back.  Check the air for spores and weird aliens like in those movies we all watched back home on future Syfy channel.