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I don't know what you're trying to say here. Someone didn't like Aliens? Ok, if you're trying to connect it and say just because one has a bad review and the other has a bad review they are therefore the same and in a few years A:C will be thought of as highly as Aliens you're really stretching.

I get it daliens. Being the last couple awake after a unique tragedy it isn't too out of place to try and comfort each other. Especially during a shower.

The scene would have more credible for me had they been in the shower crying and trying to keep calm after a crew-wide butchery. Maybe showing the couple with their hands shaking so hard that they have to hold hands and scream-cry facing each other. That might be me after watching what they did. 

I'm with Gavin and I Moon Girl and others for totally scrubbing the nudity out. It is out of place and you could still have a shower scene with everyone's privates out of view.

The gore is certainly in place in the scene because the xenomorph is a space demon that produces such gore but how the scene arrived there wasn't as credible as it could be. 

AdamPD Sounds like most haters for Covenant.

"That part made me so angry I went into the theatre bathroom locked myself in a stall to cool down."

" I stomped out and washed my hands multiple times to wipe off all the dooey decisions I’d seen made on the screen.

Then I went back in and sat down."

I think this person needs anger management, if he gets that angry over a film.

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Yes, Giger's design brought to Alien the shock of sexual elements visually clear on the horrible beast and the environment it came from Lawrence of Arabia.

"The sex scene was supposed to show how intrinsic sex (life) and the alien (death) are. The franchise is built on on sex and the appeal of it, the Alien with it's phallic head and the derelict ship and it's vaginal opening." 

To me, the addition of these visual sexual elements supported the biological aspect (grown) of the Engineer technology and added a vile and grotesque layer to the beast. Sexual is associated with "precious" and it is a violation of everything pure to paint the beast in this way.

This is everything I would expect from something evil. Alien worked for me because I believed that the beast was vile, offensive, and pitiless. And I like the arrogant humanoid Engineers for similar reasons.

damn it, my link didnt work!  I did a video breaking it all down, its davids sketch that is the most revealing 

Oh absolutely there were, a few people here have posted the images I just can't find them at the moment. I mentioned the possibility of there being female engineers way back when in a thread and some of the female images are in the responses. 

Link to the post: Female Engineers?

Ridley said years ago that there did not need to be a direct connection to the derelict, since that was just another Engineer ship doing what the Engineers do. 

His recent comments sound like they may actually lead the story directly to that ship. I hope they don't. Completely unnecessary, unless they back themselves into a corner by explicitly stating the xenos on that ship are exclusively David's breed, not a breed that already existed. As it stands now, it could be either/or.

They probably like Simply Red

I don't think saving the franchise should be the focus. Making the best movie you can do should be the main thing. With a straight forward story with characters that have the smarts to walk around an alien world with  a protective suit or at least ear muffs.There's not enough Giger in the Neo/Proto/Xenos and it seems like too much of a tacked together script of than a proper story. There's too much ego around the Fox table to get a good Alien movie done.  How can AC cost 97 million and the story is half baked? did they lose the beat sheat? 

Don't know what Fox expects from these movies? They need to step up and have a Alien convention, publish more books/novels/novellas/comics. Grow this franchise! 

No one on Youtube is making Alien fan films...StarWars and Star Trek have hundreds!

Fan fiction for the Alien verse is 1/100th of Star Wars or even Star Trek.......And when there is Alien fan fiction,  it usually involves a Predator! lol!

This is on FOX.

For some people the best way to find comfort would be to cuddle and touch another person. Some people do take showers together. Upworth and Ricks couldn't have stayed separately after all they were through. Probably as soon they were relieved from duty they tried to be relieved from stress before going for 7 years in the hypersleep.

If I remember right even Ripley had something to share with Dallas and Clemens.

We're not big on kicking movies unless it's Alien Covenant and Prometheus and instead try to ruin it for everybody who liked it because we're quite sad people who have nothing else to do but troll and give out 

Ripping Hollywood's tentpole movies is good business it seems. Much easier to go negative.

Quarterback should have thrown a touchdown NOT an interception! Stupid quarterback.

Player shouldn't have struck out with the bases loaded...Should have hit a home run! Stupid baseplayer!

@ Jonesy and IRaptus , where do I sign up???

Also, as for the sentence completion exercise, for me personally I would say: "We're not big on kicking movies when they're [awesome]." :)

I would LOVE an alien: isolation sequel, but not at Hadley's Hope.

@ colonialsoldier

Agreed.

Iraptus - totally agree too, it seems there is more people on here trying to ruin the franchise than not, it's pathetic! I can't understand why these people even come on here to be honest, just to try and ruin it for everyone else, I loved Prometheus and Covenant and think Awakening will be brilliant too when it gets made! I just don't understand why people even are on here if they're so negative, trolling I suppose 

@dk

Right! (Also upvoted)

Good discussion joylitt , I Moon Girl , dk, et. al. :)

Thank you all for your thoughts and theories.

I was thinking that if Origae-6 has nothing to do with the Engineers Covenant would not have to arrive there. Setting up a colony there would seriously affect the budget and timing of the next movie and if they want to show a war of the worlds they would try to optimize the costs on production sets as much as possible. And once the colonists are out of the hypersleep I believe they are sufficient in numbers to stop David. Even if David can imprint on the newly born xenomorphs I don't see him having xenomorphs as bodyguards on Origae-6. That's why I thought that his creatures' army would be created on board Covenant and the only planet they would land would be again LV223.

Or, if they would finally settle on Origae-6, we would get only flashbacks of what happened until the colonial marines arrived.

I prefer too the egg morphing to the alien queen from Aliens but I am aware there are a lot of fans of the queen, However Ridley still has a lot of love for his baby alien and if he would direct the Awakening, the mentioned queen from Advent was only a metaphor. But again how did the thousands of eggs ended up on the derelict? Egg morphing does not seem to be the solution and nobody could have transferred the eggs from Covenant to the derelict. There has to be a queen that did the job on the derelict. Also the eggs from derelict, the face huggers and the chest bursters, not to mention the big chap are different from the ones engineered by David, at least to the moment he left Paradise. That's why I considered the Deacon could be a queen, that theory would satisfy also the audience who, no matter how much they trust David is capable of creating the xenomorph, consider that the alien was a much older creation and part of the engineer mythology. I would have liked that to be more explored and the murals from Prometheus to be more than Easter eggs.

So we could have egg morphing on Covenant or Origae-6 and a Deacon queen on LV223?

The Engineers, if they are still alive somewhere, might come to investigate what happened on Paradise and, on seeing what David did and the crashed Juggernaut, they would go back to LV223 to destroy the planet together with the last remaining pathogen and Juggernauts stationed there. Or could be they did it already and the solar flare incident was the result of that action?

So the "war of the worlds" can unleash somewhere nearby LV223.

I am not sure how the AI are designed but should not be some possibility to remotely switch them off, just in case they are malfunctioning and at least one reboot can clear the problem? There has to be a way to stop one without physically destroying it. Even for maintenance purposes they have to be stopped, no matter how advanced they are, at some point the maker must have the option to take over its control.

Does Weyland-Yutani has the option to remotely shutdown David and take over the control of the Covenant remotely as well? As Ingeniero suggested, they might have already the sub-space link technology.

I would love to see more engineers worlds presented but if the next movie will try to connect directly to Alien there won't be much time for that in a 2 hours screen time. And to design the engineers worlds would be expensive as hell. If Fox would ask me I would rather let the Alien univers expand further than to try to connect the prequels to the 1979 Alien. We have some clues now about who the Space Jockey might be, I personally do not need to see how the Juggernaut crash on LV426.

Even if there will be colonial marines and a queen (Ridleys Queen) in the next movie, as long as Ridley Scott is in charge I believe it will be a good movie. At least for the fans who liked both Prometheus and Covenant, among which I include myself.

whichever physical body it is it is definitely davids mind. the last convo he has with daniels confirms this though the hard part is passing the physical body off as davids. too much damage was done including his voice. he just didn't have the time to swap clothes, chop his arm off, get the codes he required from walter, fix his voice AND then catch up to the survivors who had a good head start on him for it to be davids body, if u look at it from a logical perspective. but RS has said its david but that doesn't mean it has to be his body specifically, just his mind.

my personal preference is the derelict is an ancient ship crashed or landed there thousands of years ago. once id seen Prometheus I thought that the vents that affected the lv223 facility would have a direct connection to the derelict which I liked. this now seems to be 50/50 if it is indeed david who is responsible for the derelict. I personally hate this explanation for the derelict. I prefer the ancient and more mysterious backstory to its fate and if knowing that an android was responsible for the derelict in alien I don't think the derelict scene in the original film will hold the same feeling for me.

Well, I agree that Spaith's script "Alien: Engineers" was better than Lindelof's. It would have been a much scarier film which would have pleased many fans (elements which were brought back into AC). It would also have given us a logical connection between the engineers' experiments and Alien (the Space Jockey).

On the other hand, to explore the engineers and our origin wasn't bad, and the ideas in AC were also pretty good, but how to connect it with Alien? Did the Space Jockey die about 2000 years prior to the arrival of The Nostromo on LV-426, or about 10?

according to weylands logs in the blu ray extras the company are aware of the signal on lv426. though the way everyone keeps changing their minds in this prequel I wouldn't be surprised if this is forgotten about and ignored by fox

daliens

I don’t have any answers but I can perhaps contribute with a couple of guesses.

1. David will probably use Daniels as a surrogate mother. He has already stated that he will do the same to her that he did to Shaw. The reference to “Queen” might not be referring to the egg-laying queen in Aliens, just his ironic name for Daniels, just as he saw Shaw as his “Eve”. Daniels must, of course, die since she knows David’s real identity. In Alien Director’s Cut, the alien egg-morphs its victims - Brett and Dallas (no queen is needed). Furthermore, he has about 2000 colonists and 7,5 years before they arrive on Origae 6 . . .
2. David is capable of anything and even learned to fly a juggernaut. He must be in command as the others sleep. If all pilots are dead, David probably has the authorization to drive the ship, or he will wake up one of the colonists who has it. Tennessee would be too much of a risk for David since he would, no doubt, be very inquisitive concerning Daniel’s death.
3. The obvious reason is because he didn’t want it to be known what had happened on Planet 4. They haven’t even been there. The mission is going as planned en route to Origae-6, just a small accident, some died, no big deal. On Origae-6 he can carry on with his experiments, creating an army. He also needs to imprint on every newborn xenomorph so that it sees him as its Father (which we saw him do in Alien: Covenant). The colonists will then be his guinea pigs and will eventually be eradicated, testing his army.
4. As we already know from Alien (Ash and Special Order 937) WY wants this alien specimen so they will, most likely, arrive on Origae-6 (with marines).
5. All’s well and the mission is going as planned. Daniels and Tennessee must of course die.
6. It took Prometheus about 2 years to reach LV-223, and from Planet 4 it’s another 7,5 years to Origae-6, so I would assume that they are further away from Earth. David has obviously changed his mind about telling WY of his accomplishments. His Ego is too big and he needs to brag about it. He is now God.
7. I guess it’s a warning that if they go after him, he will set the wolves free in the galaxy . . .
8. Engineers could be everywhere in the galaxy, I suppose . . .
9. The “War of the Worlds”- scenario might take place on Origae-6 and LV-223. It might be like “The Battle of the Five Armies” in The Hobbit. :), probably between humans (colonists), engineers, WY, and David and his wolves. It could end with everything being eradicated, and (what I would like to see) a flashback scene where we go back in time to the outbreak on LV-223 (2000 years ago), an engineer escapes with the cargo hold filled with xeno-eggs, gets infected and crash lands on LV-426. We will then go “Back to the Future” where The Nostromo lands on LV-426.

What are your own thoughts, Daliens?

dk did you ever play The Condemned game (Xbox, PC). Survival horror game. Most of the game you ran around with malee weapons you find like rebar, steel conduit, 2x4 etc. Occasionally you got a weapon a .357, double barrel shotgun etc and a handful of shells. You could holster just the one gun, and damn you needed to keep and use that sucker for moments that counted! Made for a real dread survival atmosphere. That would be unreal in an Alien game  

I think an interesting dynamic would be for the player to be occasionally armed. You could have the best stuff in limited/finite quantities. The catch would be that there is a finite amount of ammo and it would be fairly minimal. When used, you would be king for a day. When it is gone, you are utterly helpless. Shots with a shaky hand would matter. That coupled with the great AI and stealth nature of Isolation could make for some interesting game play. Another consideration might be blasting a Xeno and having its acid blood burn through a floor giving access to another level you could not access. Then it could have an old school nod to MSG where you could get through the game without firing a shot (except for boss battles). 

not yet, but I do them bookmarked so I don't lose them :)

TY for the reminder, I'll have a lok at them when I'm done for the day, as that's when the brain really absorbs new info best, for me, anyways. :)

thank you Blackwinter-witch :) 

Have you had a chance to check out the Advent and Phobos clips? Perhaps some tasty morsels of info or inspiration in them for you??

sherris

Absolutely one of things I have found fans do when they speculate ahead is they over complicate the story and ignore the real life issues like budget and location setting. 

For Walter to arrive in a Juggernaut alone and the Engineers put in a brief but powerful appearance from the Tear drop ship would keep the narrative lean and elegant. The planet itself they are going to may hold some special significance. If it is habitable then within the rules of this mythos it has been catalysed before. 

The seeding engineers plan may not be for one of their elements of creationism, mankind to colonise the universe. That mankind is out and about with mad robots using an unauthorised pathogen may not put them in good humour. But Ridley will not want to reveal to much of the tear drop mystery its part of its appeal. However I counter that with Damon Lindelof saying in his view "they" have not reached the point in the story that he and Ridley indicated they were going to in the original Prometheus story. 

Works for me, keeps things simpler and neater. :)

Just to say ALIEN: Manticore is steadily getting closer to completion and final editing. I have the story climax all figured out, double-checked and mapped so now it's time to drop the characters into the sharp and nasty end of things after they find out some Things Man Is Better Off Not Knowing. :D

Upvoted since this thread went way OT yet things remained interesting, civil and the thread creator let it evolve. 

I thought that scene was tacky myself. It made no sense at that point in the movie and it made even less sense that Mother could not start blaring a loud alarm to alert them to the danger.

They could have written a short, emotional scene between those two to show their relief that this whole horrid event was finally over, yet they survived. Slow things down a bit for the audience - then punch that alien jaw through his head!

It seems the spirit of the thread is to examine how information can be used to sway one's opinion. That said, we can look at everything out there and form our own opinions. 

Not saying i disagree but just to play devil's advocate...

I know having just survived this ordeal and seeing their crew wiped out, making whoopie wouldn't be something anyone would be thinking about or planning to do. However as a dude I don't think there was a single time I was ever able to take a close shower with a hot girl and NOT be turned on. Plus as horrible as the events prior were they would've produced extreme emotional responses with passion potentialy being a spontaneously one. 

Personally I thought the scene was more akin to something out of the "Scream" silly slayer films and that any new Alien movie deserves better. However I can't say it isn't plausible just because xyz 

I have not listened to the commentary yet, but the fact that organisms created by/modified by the pathogen can regenerate was already established in Prometheus.

Right!