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Just because the prequels are disappointing in general doesn't mean that you got to throw everything away. They said that at the AVP-galaxy podcast that Prometheus opened the franchise up and then AC sort of closed it more.
Having it about Ripley again is boring, bring me someone new. I wouldn’t mind the corporate conspiracy, it could work but they should throw something new in there because we already have the WY.
Maybe we could get some new monsters and therefore get some sort of indirect tie to the Engineers. I don't think that they would go that way but it would be good just to see something different.
“"In Space No One Can Hear you Dream"
That could be the case, I don't like it. Please no Ripley, I'll stay at home if that's the case. Another movie with a character created some 40 years ago isn't interesting specially if he already had a fitting end.
“Lets HOPE they don't go FULL MATRIX!”
We've gotten disappointments after Alien 3 so that wouldn't surprise me. I think that it's likely that we get another let-down.
“The Xenomorph has Captured Ripley, she is Cocooned for some Purpose, and the Xenomorph has Implanted a False Life/Memory and Dreams in HER.…”
LMAO! That sounds like a comedy to be honest, it's Resurrection-level.
The prequels would have been better if they wouldn't have been about David and if the characters wouldn't be so poorly written and executed. I don't care about the themes if the movie is underwhelming. You are probably right when you say that Alien 5 wouldn't connect very much to the prequels at all.
About the monster and Alien 5, at least they could have evolved it somehow. I don't want another Xenomorph. LOL! Rodents, let it infect a mouse and see what you'll get. :D
You mention mimicking Ripley, wasn't there an idea that it would make a call late in Alien? That would have been so stupid, I'm glad that they avoided that. It wouldn't even be an ending worthy of a B-movie, it sounds like a C-movie at best. If you want to evolve something you got to start with a somewhat good foundation/ideas but that just seems to be stupid. Like I’ve said, he's not a writer and that really shows with that idea. They avoided an embarrassment by rejecting that idea. He can come up with concepts and that but they should just be things that people could say yes or no to in other words he should not have an influence in the writing. Scott affected the writing in the prequels and we have a franchise that suffers partially because of that. To reference the AVP-galaxy again, they need someone that can stand up to Scott and say no when he gives crappy ideas but that should have been done earlier.
“... we may have seen the Xenomorph be more like David lol.... a Xenomorph with Davids Agenda and how Disturbing David was... could be something Horrific.”
LOL! David makes himself partially human, screws a Xeno (a queen?), and they have babies. What a disgusting mental image, really. Ridley isn't the only one that can make the Alien-franchise worse, I can too. :D
Leto: Maybe, that could be a possibility if they make a third prequel.
SuperAlien: I don't think that I've seen one of those before but thanks for pointing it out. That's interesting, it seems that the Olmecs was a early civilization in North America.
Because there are people here that enjoy various kinds of the franchise, some are into the comics and some are not, people have different opinions about the movies. I like that there are other people that enjoy the franchise and I do too even though we might like different parts and to various degrees. Just because I like a scene very much doesn't mean that another one likes it to the same degree. For example someone might respond to the SJ with amazement while another one responds with “Oh that’s interesting”, they both like it but not to the same extent.
The more people that participate the better, just don't be an asshole. I’m sorry if I have acted rude towards anyone here.
At times there is humor, there is a place for it here too.
There is a podcast about the alien franchise that I listen to and enjoy and if some people download, listen and enjoy that then it's good that someone else appreciates it.
Some people might enjoy things that I don't. Maybe there's someone that likes Resurrection, I don't but they are allowed to enjoy it. Who am I to say that they can't? Even though I don't like how the prequels have turned out there are at least parts that I like, I don't dismiss them totally.
I can try to accept that people might like things that I don't. When there are central things to the franchise that I don't think work then I get opinionated about it, not things like how a ship looks because that's just a detail.
BWW makes her fan-stories, I appreciate that. The fact that someone out there can care about the franchise so much so the person creates fan-things just because is interesting. Big Dave brings his essays and a lot of them are interesting to read. We all have our own perspectives, that's what makes it good.
“Alien is on some level the complete opposite of Stark Trek. It’s sort of about humanity at its worst…”
He seems to get it, at least theoretically. It isn't about androids, it isn't about the monster, it's about humans and how low they can sink when they are only in it for themselves. What Ripley said to Burke in Aliens sums it up perfectly in my opinion.
Give that guy the job and we will maybe see something good, something that we haven't seen since Alien 3. Have him making the third prequel maybe? It can't get much worse than what the prequels have done this far.
BWW: Yes! More Engineers would be a good way to expand it. Let's say that the Engineers built up their empire but that they were in competition with another life-form maybe humanoid. The Engineers got introduced in Prometheus so there is still a chance to introduce something else, even though if it's just in a expanded universe. Maybe you can do something with that and introduce new life-forms in your take on the alien-universe? One thing that they could do is to make it clear that the engineers are a civilization, that explains the different look of the LV-223 version and those on Planet 4. I listened to a podcast, I think that it was from AVP-galaxy where they discussed the difference between those two.
The central theme in the alien-universe seems to be about humans that get into situations that they are poorly prepared to handle based on sci-fi. With this in mind you can put it into different directions.
I’m just throwing out random ideas, some might say that having a universe with many life-forms is more like Star Trek, maybe but then if Star Trek can do that so can the Alien-universe. There could be and can be other alien-movies that are not about seeing Xenos for the 100th time. Especially with the addition of the Engineers, then who knows what kind of things that they have developed or encountered?
That's nice, welcome aboard. I hope that you'll enjoy your time here. Write because you enjoy it, I don't think that it's common that writers can make a living out of it.
Alien: Last Survivor seems like an interesting title, you could take that into different directions. I was disappointed that they didn't have any Engineers in Alien Covenant except for those at Planet 4. Having them finding an injured Engineer could lead to something interesting. Yeah there have been too much of people sticking their heads into eggs, I agree. At this time maybe people almost expect that to happen and if that's the case you might get a feeling of disgust but you don't get as afraid as you would be compared to if that was something new.
Remember the importance of well-written characters. Not all of them need to be well fleshed out but at least some of them but it depends on how many characters that you have. You write that you're not certain how you'll present it, maybe you can have the same characters but in different genres like how they did with Alien and Aliens? Maybe you could expand it, Alien was horror, Aliens was action-horror, maybe you can put it into another genre and make it work? I’m not sure how many genres there are but maybe there's another one that haven't occurred to me that could work?
We've seen marines before, there got to be a way to make something else. There is potentially a lot to discover in the alien-universe, maybe you could try to introduce some life-forms that we haven't seen before? Cameron introduced the queen so he added his thing to the alien-universe, and if he can so can you. People that ain't famous can have great ideas too.
Maybe you can do fan-fiction that involves the Engineers? I think that they were a welcome addition to the franchise. Even though Prometheus has a lot of problems at least they were interesting. Not everything about Prometheus is bad, the same goes for Alien Covenant.
Different worlds, different factions of Engineers, different monsters, the black goo could be expanded on, rivalries to WY. Maybe there are life-forms in the alien-universe that we haven't seen? You could introduce them in your fan-fiction. Androids could be involved although I wouldn't like the story to be about them but Ash and Bishop worked well in context of the story but unfortunately it became too much about androids in the prequels. We don't need the androids to be totally ignored is my point.
To me the central theme in the franchise has always been about human beings (that can't be stressed enough) that get into situations that they think that they can handle but are not prepared for when they face the situation. Corporate greed is another theme that we see with Weyland and Yutani, that could be expanded on.
What if there is a part of it where the corporation try to bribe someone to do something and they get it to work but then you got to have the good guys as a counter-balance. It's almost like those that are attempted to go to the dark side in Star Wars. The point is how someone can go from an idealist to get bribed and go to the other side without the point being that everyone is just in it for the money.
Remember that they talked in AR that they could use the Xeno for new vaccines, maybe that's something?
There is more in the alien-franchise than just the Xenos is my point. It could be expanded, the Engineers was a good start I think since it gives us a example that it could be done. Feel free to use any of the ideas to your fan-fiction that I have mentioned here. You probably have fan-writers that are writing about the same things but in different ways. Human drama has been around for a long time and very few stories are totally new, the same goes for the alien-verse. There is a possibility to find inspiration in old things and make it your own without stealing it.
About your name, that is from Hudson, right? He said something like that to Burke, as far as I know.
The short itself gave a really good view of character development. It seemed positive and there was a sense of mutual curiosity, respect and even attraction from both characters with a "breaking of the bread" moment. Seems like a good foundation for whatever messed up situations may lay ahead for them.
I read the book river of pain recently. The story of 'before aliens' and I really dislike it. Not because its bad, I just think its a story that doesn't need to be told. I felt the same way about star wars rogue one. We already know the colonists die. It just forces the author to add heroic elements that water down the horror. Who cares about the film alien or aliens if prior to the story, people have already been blowing the shit out of them and surviving in laughable ways.
Setting wise here are some story beats.
Epsilon Erridani. Its a starship fuel outpost.
The planet itself is habitable with little fawna but don't currently have much value other than being a stop over for exploration ships. People go there to escape civalisation because the set up is almost self sustaining. Drones skim the surface of the gas giant and bring back h3 gas for refining. That's how they support themselves. Prospectors roam the surface looking for ore hoping that finding something valuable will make a big company take more notice and finance a big development. This causes some friction because some of the characters think a big player like WY would shuffle off the little guys in a gold rush event, then leave. Some just want to make it work without having to rely on outside help. The planet itself has storm seasons that effectively shut down operations for months so you get isolated very quickly if you stuck in one.
Very happy you enjoyed it and Thank-You for the compliments!
You are of course most welcome!! :)
Eraserhead...yeah, good point, exception proving the rule. :D
The idea actually came from Star Trek 5, where it starts off with Kirk free-climbing El Capitan. They did some great camera work with that whole opening, and I wanted to try to capture some of that.
Then again, in fiction there's NO shortage of dangerously-high places to have characters involved with. :D
It also came about when I asked myself
"What would motivate a Chimeran Artemis to marry a Human?"
Classic Rule...books are always better than the movie.
That can be true, so maybe it's a good thing Eraserhead wasn't a novel lol!
Introduction is another solid short- thanks!
I have to say- it was definitely its own thing, but brought recollections of AVP and even SW- the first movie. Again, it is fun to read something that recalls other works while being its own thing. I guess it's called inspiration or influence.
As usual, it is written so that a very clear picture can be imagined by the individual reader.
Classic Rule...books are always better than the movie.
I am glad you clarified your title not being related to the short, which is cool too if anyone cares to see- that was immediately where my head went.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2emA8OusWo
I would like to see a focus on WY and its dirty deeds. I can do without militants and monsters since that seems sort of played out. Those elements being sprinkled in could be nice but shouldn't be the focus. As long as it's good, I am all for it.
Welcome! Your take on including Engineers sounds really good. Sharing your work is appreciated. Yes, I am feeling the Hooah stuff is played out too. You may not know who Lemmy Kilmister was, but his words apply for presenting your works. "Run your flag up the pole and see who salutes it."
Blackwinter-witch having read the story first I was very disappointed by that episode.
Saw the Outer Limits episode of The Sandkings, so kinda-close...yeah I'll be looking up his work!!
The Sandkings is another good short story by George R.R. Martin. From his time before Game of Thrones, that's my introduction to his sci fi period, when I was younger and had a lot more time to read And somehow written in the same spirit with Martian Chronicles.
Dhogmeat you are welcome to share your ideas with us.
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I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)
Thank-you for the compliments!!
The champagne, well...if you survive a climb like that, you have earned it, and it helps impress the woman you have your sights set on too. :D
I haven't read anything by George R.R. Martin as yet, but with your reference above, I'll start with that story 'A Song for Lya' as you have me curious. :)
I can relate, in a way... My parents are long since gone, and my grandparents before them. I read The Martian Chronicles and I hear their voices 'narrating' for me. :)
That project was abandoned some time ago, butbafter the succes of Raised by Wolves it is a good chance it will be reconsidered.
As long as it does not imply marines shooting xenomorphs it should be a step forward.
My grandmother would tell me over and over the story of Three Little Pigs at bedtime and sometimes she got distracted by some thoughts and omitted some detail that I immediately corrected. That story kept me awake but it was the only story she told me, I don't know the reason why and now it is too late to ask.
When I heard Mother telling the same story to the children in Raised by Wolves it brought up the memory of my grandmother and the happy days of childhood.
Blackwinter-witch that's a powerful first impression. A beginning of a beautiful relationship.
I like climbing, but never thought bringing champagne. Thanks for the tip.
Without any connection to Introduction, have you read A Song for Lya, a short story by George R.R. Martin?
'INTRODUCTION' is just a fun little piece that gives a sense of the depth of relationship between Sinjihnn and Selinaehra.
They say you only have one chance to make a first impression...
...and how a relationship starts sets tone for it thereafter.
@DK
Indeed Sexually Frustrated ... a CHIP of the OLD BLOCK would you not say ;) (in David that is).
I think Basically it comes down to Aesthetically to make them APPEAR to NOT be Human, so its always that PLOT DEVICE to know your NOT seeing a Human but a Android.
If Bishop had RED BLOOD then Ripley would maybe have NOT Discovered for some Time that he was a Fricken Robot ;)
So Indeed without that then a Human and Android would be HARD to Distinguish Apart and so WHILE they look like us on the Outside they are Different Internally and i think having WHITE BLOOD plays the Part and Looks the Part.
WHY would a ANDROID need BLOOD?
Now thats a another Question, to a Degree.. we can only Speculate that its NOT just for Aesthetics, but is maybe something that the Androids require to Operate Efficiently, like a Android Oil/Lubrication.
David must have LOST a Lot of this Fluid in Prometheus and maybe this is WHY he went a BIT BONKERS LOL
Maybe Walter could have been so KIND as to TOP HIM UP?
Sure, I get what You mean BigDave... (i.e.) WEYLAND . . . or WEYLAND: BUILDING BETTER WORLDS . . . or just BUILDING BETTER WORLDS.
You know Me, I love that idea of using WEYLAND as a backdrop to get started with & potentially have spins-offs emmenate from that such-as what apparantly is going to continue with The Mandalorian regarding Asoka mini-series, Boba Fett mini-series & so-on.
Regarding the OT.
I Joined at the NEWS that a Prequel to ALIEN was in the Works, and so to Discus the Prequel as WHILE indeed the Alien Franchise does interest me.
It was the Potential that we could Uncover who the SPACE JOCKEY Race were that Really Interested me.
But i still like to Discus/Debate and Speculate on ALL THINGS within Context or Not to the ALIEN Franchise.
Been some Interesting Discussions on here over the 8+ Years i have been here, and HERE is to Many More.
Hopefully in 1-2 Years we can get some NEWS on a New Project within the Franchise ;)
"There are so many other sci-fi movies...I just do not understand why we cannot talk about some other movies...even every once in a while"
Certainly i think a Problem comes with POSTING to the General SCIFIED board that Topics can become LOST a bit.
As FAR as me being a ALIEN... erm?
"The Disney-Fox merger may have ended those hopes for now, but we’re hoping for a potential return based on Hawley’s angle in. Namely: it’s about the people, not the xenomorphs."
Well there was Rumors of a TV Show back in 2018/2019 so maybe it had some Foundation, i think the DISNEY Merger had meant some STUFF had been Canned or on Hold.
We have talked on here before about a TV Series and HOW there is MORE to the ALIEN Franchise than Xenomorphs and Ripley.
So you could have a TV Show that covers some STUFF from the Franchise that is within the SAME UNIVERSE as ALIEN but have to NOT be a ALIEN TV Show if you get what i mean as the ALIEN is sometimes too Synonymous with the Xenomorph.
So EVEN if they dont Explore the Engineers or anything they have Created their is PLENTY to Cover in a SPIN OFF.
Weyland and Yutani were ONCE separate Companies and we had a BIT of History/Information with Weyland Industries via the Prometheus Website, and seen Peter Weyland. But there is still SO MUCH that could be Covered by Weyland-Yutani.
With Potentially 100 Years of History prior to ALIEN for the Weyland Company and WHO KNOWS as to HOW OLD the Yutani Corporation are.
Those Companies have NOT spend all their TIME in the Pursuit of the Xenomorph or making Flute Playing Androids.
Also the Colonial Marines are NOT around to purely BUG HUNT the Xenomorph.
And so YES i think you can have TV Show especially that is SET in the same Universe as ALIEN but either has NO XENOMORPH or they Play a SMALL Part only.
But it depends on DISNEY and what they would want and WHAT they Feel will Make $$$$ and Views/Subscriptions.... so maybe it be about Xenomorphs or Ripley then lol
Hmmm....
it'll be interesting to see how this develops, if it's given a go-ahead.
Things get a bit glitchy around here from time to time, also I think new members have to have their topics approved by admin/mods...not sure about that/don't remember.
I like your idea, NEW direction!!
Also, I like;
"I also wanted a story not to include marines or any of the ‘hurrah’ macho crap that seems to make it int o alien stories. It 50/50 action and horror."
and
"because I wanted the characters to get away from finding an egg and peering inside acting like idiots."
I think you'll find your ideas and direction quite welcome here!! And it'd be nice to see some work done focusing on the engineers, that approach seems to be one that few attempt.
Script format sounds good, people here would happily read script-format if it's a good story, NP there.
Hi I'm Mike.
Iv been reading posts on here and desired it was time to join in. Unfortunately I think I'm having problems with the forum atm as I can see what iv writen nor see the topic I started. I just noticed it had been replied to while reading today
I'll go with BlackAnt on this one. :D
