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Any Prometheus vibes?
P.S. Sounds like the Beowulf legend.
The novel is set on planet Ataegina, below.
"Ataegina was an isolated world of medieval castles, varied cultures, and conquests, vibrant until the demons rose and spread relentless destruction. Swarms of lethal creatures with black husks, murderous claws, barbed tails and dreaded "tooth-tongues" raged through the lowlands, killing ninety percent of the planet's population.
Terrified survivors fled to hidden mountain keeps where they eke out a meager existence. When a trio of young warriors discovers a new weapon, they see a chance to end this curse. To save humanity, the trio must fight their way to the tunnels of Black Smoke Mountain--the lair of the mythical Demon Mother."
This is great news, thank you for posting daliens.
"Regarding "Allowing Bishop to kill a bunch of people"...that part was excellent in my opinion because Bishop had to choose sides and was lethal and very fast in showing it."
He has protocols to stop him harming humans. He could try to help humans, but not harm other humans in the process. Allowing him to do precisely that is a lazy cop-out.
Also the Rook from Cold Forge wasn't the same one from Broken.
And the bit where he meets the marines at the end was the best bit. :)
It's not a 'fantasy medieval kingdom'.
"The Rook was a Building that inside was a Rook Shaped Mainframe that Stored all of Weylands Work, and his A.I Soul which would get Unleashed to the Network (well indicated) at the End of my Prometheus 2. Which would be a Tease to Indicate that a A.I Weyland is in control of the Company with the Humans not being AWARE!"
That is a nice approach to what I'd describe as the digital records vault for COMNET BigDave. Nice touch! Might it reside in Antarctica?
"Create a A.I that could be used to Obtain and Store the Memories, Emotions and Experiences of a Person and then Pass these onto a Synthetic or other Body... it was Weylands Attempt to gain IMMORTALITY"
The Engineer waking up to Peter Weyland's request, explanation of entitlement to more life or maybe a transfer of consciousness into David didn't go so well.
One could expect "backup" plan from Peter Weyland and the yacht below might give us a little insight. David was able to interact with Weyland while he was in hypersleep.
If David is able to use the NeuroVisor tech to communicate with Peter Weyland while he's in hypersleep, then we can expect some "mapping" of his brain in an attempt to capture consciousness. Why wouldn't he do this?
Yes, if Peter Weyland's brain is successfully uploaded into COMNET via this mapping, then I think it's curtains for the humans.
I certainly think a A.I Conspiracy could be something that RS would have eventually taken us to, Creating a A.I that then becomes Sentient and has Emotions is something that ONCE that Genie has been let out, it may be Impossible to Truly Put the Lid back on ;)
So we can speculate what kind of Hidden Agenda our Bishop had... some Fans would only see him as the Friendly 100% Trust Worthy Synthetic, but then such Fans likely want to see Ripley, Newt, Hicks, Bishop and Jones return and all live HAPPY EVER after ;)
I think a A.I Conspiracy is Interesting it fits well with the Themes of the Prequels about the Pitfalls of playing GOD, Advancing Technology too FAR and Sub-creation and what KNOWLEDGE you pass to them. These also FIT Very well with the Alien Resurrection Plot well in part as far as the RECALL and Synthetics creating Synthetics (Autons).
The naming of Androids would depend on what their Purpose is, would we assume as of 2170's that Synthetics are used in Limited Roles and had not become a Tool for Humans like having a ALEXA? Because if Synthetics were to become a REALITY then each Owner would give their OWN name to their Servant if you would.
In regards to Bishop then this is a Model Number but would every Bishop Model be called Bishop? I guess as a piece of Property they could be given any name really. But they would still have a Specific Model Name.
The CHESS names is interesting as i never came across that, i dont read the Novels really. When i worked on a Prometheus 2 Story, i had a Flash Back of David and Weyland playing Chess... with some Dialog.
Where Weyland revealed the Importance of the Rook... my Story would go on to explore a Project Rook, which was that Weyland had attempted to Create a A.I that could be used to Obtain and Store the Memories, Emotions and Experiences of a Person and then Pass these onto a Synthetic or other Body... it was Weylands Attempt to gain IMMORTALITY
He had almost reached Perfection with a Body/Vessel (David) but the A.I could not handle Human Emotions and Memories and would become Unstable and Insane and THUS is why Peter Weyland turned to Dr Shaw and her Chasing GODS.
The Rook was a Building that inside was a Rook Shaped Mainframe that Stored all of Weylands Work, and his A.I Soul which would get Unleashed to the Network (well indicated) at the End of my Prometheus 2. Which would be a Tease to Indicate that a A.I Weyland is in control of the Company with the Humans not being AWARE!
I was being drawn to maybe Ridley Scott would attempt similar but with David's Soul had he been allowed to Finish the Prequels.
@jdvyne
Certainly there was the Intention of a Loose Connection at play (Paradise Lost, Chariots of the Gods etc) that maybe we should NOT be looking Too Literal into, but there are intended connections for certain.
It is indicated that the Engineers (or related Race) had been coming to Earth and leaving us Clues to LV-223 for at least 35'000 Years. We have had Ridley Scott tell us the Engineers would come back and EVOLVE us both Technologically (Knowledge) and Genetically.
And so ONE of the Big Questions would be WHY would you leave the Clues to a Bio-Logical Weapon Facility to Various Cultures around the World over THOUSANDS OF YEARS?
What we do know is it was NOT as a Invitation, if it was a WARNING then WHY would they Continue to Come and Support/Visit us and yet WARN us of LV-223 for Thousands of Years until a Certain Period when they Abandoned us?
I think it is likely that LV-223 was quite Different 35'000 Years ago ;)
I think we maybe have to look at the Engineers in Context to IGNORE what we know of LV-223 and its Experiments/Outbreak.
They had been indicated as our Creators, they at least play some role in the Seeding and Engineering of Life on Various Worlds, they are Genetic Space Gardeners.
If you look at yourself as a Engineer from that Stand Point and you have to ASK yourself... WHY do you seed Various Worlds and NOT just ONE?
If you was a Gardener and you wanted to Experiment, Cross-Hybrid and Create Various Plants, Fruit etc. You want to take something and Experiment with it then it makes more sense to NOT experiment with all Varieties in just ONE location.
You would have PLOTS of Land that are Separated so one Failed Experiment can-not Infect another, so if you are trying to Create a New Kind of say PEPPER then you would want the Various Experiments to be Separated, if One Experiment is a Fail or becomes Corrupt you can just DIG-UP that Plot of Land and START AGAIN.
Also when looking at Gardening what we have is a Greenhouse/Nursery where we would Grow/Nurture our Experiments and WHEN we are pleased with them, then you take them to ONE of your Gardens and SEED them.
This is how Historically i saw LV-223, as a SANDBOX if you would where they would Carry out Experiments and then Seed the Desired results to Worlds.
The Engineers like to leave Monuments and Recordings of their Success to give them Self Praise. So those Various LV-223 Clues from the Cave Paintings to others throughout History could be the Engineers simply saying.
"This is where you come from" or "This is where you were created"
They likely NEVER intend us to EVER go there unless some of us are taken their by the Engineers (for Upgrades). It could be the Engineers would ONLY teach their Creations a Certain Level of Knowledge.
We have to remember that LV-223 has Various Temple Complexes and a Good Reason for this is to Contain Different Experiments apart from each other.
The Interior to the Complexes where being Tera-formed so they could Support Life from Earth (other similar Worlds) the Environment outside is HOSTILE and this would be Beneficial so that any Experiments that Escape would NOT make it to another Complex and cause any Contamination etc.
So i think LV-223 was where they would maybe go and Collect Creations from Worlds and take them to LV-223 for further Experiments/Enhancements and then SEND the results they are pleased with down to the Worlds they Visit.
HOWEVER.... at some point in the Past this Place became a Place to Experiment with HORRORS which are Connected to the Deacon/Xenomorph in some way.
There could be some FALLEN way of thinking or Event that leads to this Change...
Because if the Intention of the URNS and Black Goo is to RESET a World, to make it a CLEAN SLATE and the Engineers Agenda is Gardeners of Space and they ONLY would USE such Horrific Bio-weapons on Failed Experiments or Rebellious Experiments.
Then look at the Outcome?
NOW... look at the Sacrificial Scene and ASK.... would it NOT had been more ideal to DROP Thousands of Urns of Sacrificial Goo as a RESET TOOL?
This is what i feel the Purpose of the Juggernauts are, they are a more Modern/Advanced and Efficient Seeding Ship.
The FALL! well we have to ask WHY do they Seed their OWN DNA?
And then WHY do they seem Obsessed/Interesting in other Horrific DNA... they or a Faction must have seen the Deacon DNA Ancestry as something more PERFECT than their own DNA.
I would say jdvyne that your last Point is the Most Interesting one, in that Sub-Creation, Hierarchy, Knowledge and Power are all Very Important to what the Prometheus Themes were about. There is always different ways to look at the God/Angels and the Titans/Olympian Stories. There is a lot about Creating a Sentient and Intelligent Sub-Creation and then WHAT kind of Knowledge you pass on to them... and the Risk of Eventual Rebellion.
We are seeing the same kind of thing between David and Mankind. So we could assume that one Faction of Engineers may have Rebelled against their Creators/Hierarchy.
The more i look at the LV-223 Engineers then i see David/Replicant Connection compared to the Planet 4 Engineers.
@Leto
I have looked and i cant find that comment either, as well as the Engineers live for 150 Years. I am 95% Certain i came across such a Interview in the past... maybe it was from a Alternative Dimension as i cant seem to find it anywhere too! ;)
I think regardless all we can do is Speculate as NOT a lot has been Uncovered/Revealed regarding the Engineers, as far as ON-SCREEN. And so the Origin and Connection of those Planet 4 Engineers could be Changed.
Well the Civilization part was Interesting, if i recall he had said they are NOT a Race but a Civilization and to me this Suggests that there could be a LOT of Mixed DNA as RS had indicated before that just as their are Many Races of Man (we have some differences) then WHY cant the same be said with the Engineers.
The Gardeners of Space and Genetic Engineering does seem to be a KEY element of the Engineers and RS had indicated that the Earth is NOT the only place they have Seeded/Visited and so maybe they do this for some kind of Diversity to their own Genetic Gene-pool?
I think some fans look at the Planet 4 Engineers as NOT being the Engineers because they seemed to LACK that Certain Look of the Prometheus Engineers, and you could be Forgiven for thinking that the Planet 4 Engineers are some kind of Hybrid of a Engineer and Human.
What RS had refereed to a number of times was calling the LV-223 Engineers as the Militant Variety the Military Arm of the Engineers, but i have always found the Engineers as a Race just involved in Experimenting, Creatinging and Unleash Xenomorph like Horrors as something that seems to only be a Smaller Part of their Overall Agenda/Purpose..
The Creating and Seeding of Various Life seems to be the Bigger Agenda to me. It just seems the LV-223 Goon Squad are called up to CLEAN UP the Mess/Worlds when their Plans dont quite come to Fruition.
Regarding the OT... we have to Wonder if ALL the Engineers are Fallen?
Rook in Alien: The Cold Forge was working for the Seegson Corporation and was described as:
"Rook has a different skin tone, bone structure, and eye color from Marcus, but somehow they're exactly the same."
So, the name above isn't a total confirmation that Bishop models adopted the names in Broken. Seegson can call their Artificial Persons anything they want I guess.
The names in Broken didn't reconcile to me because of the Bishop AP in Aliens was embedded in the military and seemingly independent of Michael Bishop...and was still named Bishop. And the thought of calling a Bishop "Castle" just didn't sound right.
Regarding "Allowing Bishop to kill a bunch of people"...that part was excellent in my opinion because Bishop had to choose sides and was lethal and very fast in showing it.
Then, Bishop was treated as one of the team for the first time after being repaired by Private Hudson and his first handshake was from Sergeant Apone. Good ending.
I'd forgotten about the other android names in Broken. That was stupid too. Bishop model androids would all be called Bishop after the guy who designed them. Allowing Bishop to kill a bunch of people and say he was 'broken' was very lazy writing.
All the conspiracy theories surrounding Bishop have no basis in the source material.
Artificial Persons' Names
Another part of Broken that I found interesting is that the other Bishop-Model Artificial Persons in the story are named Rook, Castle, King, and Knight. This part of the story matches the Artificial Person's name in Alien: The Cold Forge "Rook". A confirmed "canon" novel.
"'Our names are based on chess terms,' Knight replied."
Alien: Bug Hunt, Broken, page 50.
"Rook returns to a console and keys something into it."
Alien: The Cold Forge, page 426.
"You certainly cant RULE out Bishop as having a Sinister Agenda, we also cant RULE OUT that he has a 2nd Chip that Activates a like Sleeper Cell Program that Bishop may be Unaware he is Carrying out."
That certainly sounds like Special Order 937 to me BigDave.
I believe I read where you wrote that the short stories in Aliens: Bug Hunt were not ALL considered canon S.M. So, a special chip could certainly be the reason for Bishop's behavior.
There were parts of Broken that I liked...especially the very little mentioned regarding the factory where Bishop was made. And the "Sync link" descriptions.
That Broken story was broken.
Excellent topic Codexas...great find! Thank you for posting.
I edited the manual cover above to include the Bishop Artificial Person cutaway diagram from inside.
" A custom mod?"
"More than that.This was one very special android. Just look at these responses — this thing was a lot smarter than your usual synthetic; it was making up some of its own emotional responses to events."
This segment from the manual above reminds me of the Broken story where there was a change in programming initiated by Bishop opposed to a special chip or hardware upgrade, see below.
“Until he programmed himself.
He opened his sink link to the masks, and turn them off.
He saw the exact moment that they realized they couldn’t breeze, that they taking in lethal gobs of Prevox – laden air. He expected them to shoot, but instead, they drop their weapons and grab for the mass, slapping them as if that would make them work, then wrenching them off to try and gas clean air they didn’t exist, and then...
He closed his eyes and didn’t want to watch the rest. There was a new feeling. Guilt.”
Aliens: Bug Hunt, Broken, page 63.
Bishop was able to bypass, overwhelm his behavioral inhibitors and smother his enemy by accessing their respirators via wireless connection and turn them off.
"In the Apocalypse comic, Keitel refers to them as Giants."
Again this would match (Nephilim meaning Giants). I'm not saying, that the Engineers or Planet 4 people are 1:1 (fallen) angels, Nephilim or whatnot. But I am suggesting, that these stories might provide a background to Prometheus and Alien: Covenant.
At least we know, that Engineers (or a faction of them) visited earth repeatedly in the last 35.000 years. They pointed to LV 223 but didn't outright give humans the technology to go there (probably humans were supposed to develop this technology on their own, as a kind of test weather or not they could get this far). But then when humans arrive there it seems as if this was some kind of military installation/bio-weapons facility (with religious touch, as everything about their culture seems to be deeply religious). This ONLY makes sense, if:
a) LV 223 initially was supposed to be some sort of "welcoming site" built by the "good" Engineers for all of their creations that would manage to get there. But during the last 2.000 years it was raided by the "evil" Engineers and turned into a trap (placing the urns everywhere, which would lead to the destruction of every creation that would get there). This would mean the Engineers leaving the star maps on earth were the "good" ones, the Engineer at the end of Prometheus was an "evil" Engineer and the corpses seen staggering in the caves (as well as the decapitated head) might have been the "good" Engineers, who were being ambushed 2.000 years ago (or they were all killed and burried).
Or b) it was a bio-weapons facility all along (a facility built by the "good" Engineers) and the "evil" Engineers covertly went to earth and incited humans to go there, knowing, that this would wreak havoc (like Satan in Paradise Lost not destroying humans himself but inciting them to apostatise, do something which they're not allowed to do, which leads to God - out of disappointment/anger - destroying his creation HIMSELF). This would mean the Engineers leaving the star maps on earth were the "evil" ones, the Engineer at the End of Prometheus was indeed one of the "good" Engineers and we didn't see the "evil" Engineers in this movie - maybe the Planet 4 humanoids were the evil ones.
So obviously - as all the religious references by RS indicate - there MUST be at least two factions among the Engineers (God - Satan, Zeus - Prometheus): one faction giving or teaching humans stuff that the other faction disapproves of. The hints at Satan and Prometheus seem to suggest, that some "evil" Engineers (like the Watchers in the Bible and Book of Enoch) covertly came to earth and taught humans heavenly secrets (like agriculture, technology and the art of war) without the "good" (God/Zeus) Engineers "government/elders council" knowing it and thus giving humans divine knowledge - knowledge that humans aren't supposed to have (forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge). And as soon as the "good" (Zeus/God) Engineers realised what has happened, they would set out to punish or even destroy humanity.
In my mind it was a huuuuuuuuuuuugh mistake by Ridley Scott to not have developed the Engineers story arc further in Alien: Covenant. You just cannot open one door (Engineers' story arc), make the audience and fans wait for the continuation and then in the movie, that is supposed to be the continuation, show the Engineers, their planet, their city but just ignoring it completely and instead open another door (Davids' story arc) *facepalm*.
I don't think that Planet 4 Engineers are original. I'm trying to search more information about this, but these forums are the only place. I found that Ridley suggested that the Engineers from Planet 4 were the civilians, but not a word about originality.
"pranking civilizations"....that's a scream avensis.
Pretend extinction, raining cake balls, have toads speak English for an hour (and they hold strong toad-centric opinions), etc...Yes, that would have to be the best part of being a powerful alien avensis.
I would schedule a fake moon-sized meteor coming in quarterly that disappeared into our cloud layer....if I were a powerful alien....then I would fill everyone's pantry and fridge with their favorite food and drink for the "We're still alive!" party.
Misunderstood Expectations, A small talent for...
The video is actually a great example of some of the concepts discussed here dk...."the experiment is over.."...then the laughter.
It is going to be difficult to show, without being too revealing, how the ruling party (Engineers or their superiors) are notified of current affairs such as the setback on Planet 4 or the sandbagging and oversleeping on LV-223. They, I believe, have to be informed somehow when things go wrong...planet-wide terror and death has to ping some Engineer tech somewhere.
A futuristic corporate boardroom with spoiled wealthy executives soaked in booze surrounded by the best wood and silk would be a nice setting to see our business leaders come unglued once they got the memo that the Engineers are coming or they showed up miffed. And then cut to the military response...both sides.
Msg To: WY-SYNTHOPS
Ident: FLX-9-1174 Jones 6
Src : Commercial Towing Vessel 18092460
UTC: 2122-06-02T04:35:16
Status:
Hyperspace egress complete.
Beacon A119LV426 confirmed.
Environ: ATP nominal.
Crew in stasis. 120-A/2 in stasis.
CMD SO937-26: Air Duct compromise complete as requested. Protein sacs deployed as requested.
[End Msg]
It seems reasonable to have a cat for hunting vermin, but on a ship like that, one would not be enough. A synth might be able to handle those duties though. If a convincing and complicated synth like Ash (and David/Walter for that matter) can be created, a synth cat should be child's play for WY.
Lest anyone gets the idea that I'm a Rat Advocate, I'm just being Devil's Advocate instead. It's pretty clear there's no definitive answer one way or the other.
@BigDave, to terminate life support, as you put it, you'd need to depressurise the entire ship and pressurise it afterwards. No mean feat for something the size of the Nostromo. A rat doesn't need much in the way of life support. It only needs a bit of warmth (plenty of that), oxygen (normally plenty of that), water (loads of it) and a source of food (probably a fair bit).
It's possible you could through that whole routine. Or, alternatively, get yourself a cat!
This is from 2015...Petition for The Return of Jones[y] in Alien 5!
Going back to this Topic... i feel that a Fight Fire with Fire Plan could end up seeing you get Burned!
I think a lot of Study on the Xenomorph would be ideal in order to come up with some kind of Virus/Pathogen that could Eradicate them. As i had said earlier if we KNEW about the Xenomorph's Life expectancy then they would DIE-OFF eventually leaving maybe the Queen and Eggs. (Considering the Life Expectancy of Ant/Termite Queens compared to the rest of the Hive/Nest).
When looking at the OT we have some Details... i would assume that you would want to Recover the Facility and have it be as Intact as possible. Looking at the USE/NEED for a Atmospheric Processor would indicate that the World is NOT Habitable. And so only a Certain Radius around the Atmospheric Processor would be a Habitable Zone, that a NUKE would Render this Area as Inhabitable regardless of where you NUKE the site..
If i am Correct in that Assumption, then any kind of Heavy Explosive would also be something that is NOT desired.
This would leave using Synthetics as the Most Viable Option.
Unless you have created a means to Infect the Xenomorphs with a Virus/Bio-Weapon or have some way you can Force them to the Surface to pick off with Heavy Firepower.
But using another Trojan Organism is a interesting idea and would be the BEST Option provided the said Organism has some kind of KILL-SWITCH. For Example a Chemical that would be TOXIC to them and KILL them off, or say a TWO WEEK Life Expectancy.
The Synthetic Feline.... ;)
Now that would be a TWIST ;) as such a Creation could Monitor and Record a lot of Information with the Crew being Unaware ;)
Regarding a Space Rat problem... i dont really buy that the Nostromo would have a Rat Infestation, but we maybe cant 100% rule that out.
I would however think the Best Solution would be to Terminate Life Support while the Crew are Safe in Cryo-Sleep, any Rats on the Ship would NOT survive if this was done ;)
On a large ship like the Nostromo you would think there would have been many kits, if their purpose had been traditional rat catcher moggies.
Hypothetically, I think little mechanical rat-zapping tech could have been an appropriate alternative for an old Bison class ship. (Remember Ridley's little flying mechanical repair "mice" from his Ridleygrams?) well something along those lines, but smaller. With Jonesy serving only as crew-comfort fur ball companion.
I have entertained the idea that he may have been artificial, perhaps that's why the Alien got annoyed and swiped his cat box aside? I prefer to think of him as real moggie, just feels more comforting, though probably more troublesome :)
Knowing kits, I'm pretty sure Jonesy would have been curled up, all cosy by Ripley's feet in her hypersleep chamber, until a dream of his full Nostromo cat bowl woke him up!
I can pretty much guarantee you’re no further than 100m from a rat right now.
You're probably right.
I'm not on a spaceship with no food or heat though.
Some interesting finds regarding the Aliens Colonial Marines Technical Manual
But regarding the Video Game and DLC Expansion i am not sure about considering them as Canon.
You certainly cant RULE out Bishop as having a Sinister Agenda, we also cant RULE OUT that he has a 2nd Chip that Activates a like Sleeper Cell Program that Bishop may be Unaware he is Carrying out.
I think such things could be a possibility, but that does-not mean that Bishop had any Hidden Agenda at all. I do think the Conspiracy about the Synthetics/A.I being in Control and using Mankind as PAWNS is a Plot that is Viable.
Who knows if RS would have began to PLANT such Seeds to a A.I Plot in the Future Alien Prequels should he had been able to Continue.
Regarding the Sulaco Egg we have debated this a number of times, but with the release of Alien Covenant were we see Miniature Versions of the Eggs, then who knows if a Queen can not produce Small Eggs it can Stick to a Surface and these would GROWN.
You would have to then ask what is the Purpose of the Egg Sack/Ovipositor but maybe they allow for the Eggs to Grow Quicker, or is a Organic Tool to allow the Queen to Lay Eggs in Locations without having to Move and Manually Place them by Hand.
Thanks for Clearing that up SM ;)
I have not read the Novel or Comics, i have seen some pages from the Comics but that is all.
@LETO
Indeed the WHY is always the Biggest Question, it was the most Important one for RS in terms of the Xenomorph and the Experiments on LV-223, as in its not a case of WHO/WHEN/WHERE but as to WHY which would give the bigger implications...
In regards to being Fallen.. again i think we cant read into it too Literally and Ignorant Guy hits the Nail on the Head with their Comment.
If we look at PROMETHEUS then he is Clearly Fallen too, in the Context of the Hierarchy of that Mythos. He went against and disobeyed his Fellow Titans, and helped Zeus to Overthrow the Titans and become the GODS... then he did the same thing to Zeus and his Hierarchy by helping Humanity. So in the EYES of the Ruling GOD then Prometheus had done Actions that would Constitute him to become Fallen in the eyes of Cronus and Zeus.
If we look at Lucifer then what made him become Fallen was that he did-not agree with how he should be viewed by God, he saw much more potential for Gods Creations (Angels) than to Serve God, this was the First Part of his FALL and the Second was that he had Interfered with Man, by Persuading Eve to go against the WISHES of God, by leading her to Eat the Forbidden Fruit which gave her Knowledge that GOD had Forbidden.
I think we can assume that any Engineers who are Considered to be Fallen may have carried out similar actions to what Lucifer and Prometheus had done.
Regarding the Gardeners of Space then this appears to be something that RS has mentioned quite a bit and even after Alien Covenant he mentioned that they are Gardeners of Space, and little is ever mentioned regarding the Horrors of LV-223 aside from that they had Created something on their to use in Part against Humanity.
We still dont know WHY they would seed Worlds and invest Time in visiting such Worlds, i thinking looking into some of the Comments by RS then Earth is NOT their First Rodeo and likely was NOT their Last either.
They had likely seeded many Worlds, and we can only Speculate as to WHY and for what Purpose.
If we are a Experiment where you are trying to Create Various Humanoid Hybrids and you have Created Very Similar on many Worlds, or even if you have Humans on Many Worlds then should ONE such World Inhabitants start to behave in ways that are against your intentions, then to them DESTROYING a World and the inhabitants would just be to them as MANKIND having to KILL off say all the CATTLE in a Country to STOP the spread of a Infection. There are many other countries you can repopulate Cattle from.
So for them what they are doing does-not make them EVIL but to us it would seem that way.... do we consider ourselves Evil because we have Tested Stuff on animals like Guinea Pigs? While it may seem Cruel to the Animals for our Agenda then its a Necessity.
So its like i said before we can look at a Fallen Angel in a number of ways, and being Demonic and Evil is just ONE.. the other side of the Coin would be that a Fallen Angel is doing things to HELP Mankind that is against their Hierarchies Orders and Wishes.
Was the Knowledge and Teachings given to Mankind something Forbidden by the Hierarchy? Who knows.
The whole Gardeners/Fallen Angels plot is something that some Fans are not a Fan of.... some see a more Sinister meaning to Gardening..
In that we are merely a CROP that they would then HARVEST and the reason being for Xenomorphs...
But i think RS wanted to expand on the Engineers in a way that it does-not CENTER around the Xenomorph and the like.
Another Path that could be FALLEN would be using the Tools of Creation to Create something that was NEVER the intention for these Tools and Gardeners of Space... and the Horrors on LV-223 could be something thats Created that could be seen as leading those Engineers to become Fallen.
Robocat. I didn’t think of that. But, weirdly, how did he get so much bigger by the time he appeared in Aliens? There will be plenty of food available on the Nostromo. There’s the trash, for one thing. There’s going to be a lot of that. Galley stores. Perhaps even a viable ecosystem in the bowels of the ship.
Remember, this is a dirty poorly maintained vessel that goes wrong quite a lot. It has water traps in its depths, an ideal place for fungi, moss and small creatures to live. Who knows what kind of life it could pick up on its travels through The Solomons.
dk Well not only that but rodents would be highly dangerous to your cables hence dangerous for your ship's integrity. Relying solely on one single cat on a huge ship would highly ineffective. Especially if you have technology to detect unwanted lifeforms on-board. But something being a robot solves everything every-time.
A large ship like that would only have vermin if there was a food source.
If a cat was meant to hunt vermin, why would it be in hypersleep? Do threats to food sources just go away because humans are slumbering? Why would there even be an oxygen source exterior to the sleep pods?
Who is to say Jonesy was not a synth cat?
I can pretty much guarantee you’re no further than 100m from a rat right now. Large unkempt ships have always had vermin. There’s no reason to suppose it would be any different for a bunch of space truckers in this future.
Supplies are irrelevant for something as huge as the Nostromo. The main reason for having hypersleep is to claim back years of your life that would be wasted in travelling.
"Can someone shed light on where the name "Mala'kak" first appeared? If this is really a thing, then it would mean, that whoever dropped the name "Mala'kak" behind the scenes knew long ago, that the guy in the chair wasn't an extraterrestrial from deep space but that his kind had a religious background with humans."
Mala'kak is from the Original Sin novel (set post-Resurrection) and there's no clear religious connection. They interact with an organisation called Loki and want to use Xenomorphs in reproductive experiments with humans (as the Mala'kak are sterile). We only hear about them though, and never meet one.
In the Apocalypse comic, Keitel refers to them as Giants.
The purpose of hypersleep is so you don't have to provide food, water, air and heat for the crew on long voyages. Without those things, no vermin and no need for a cat to stay awake and keep them under control.
In what instance are the gardener and the weed having the same DNA?
You would be surprised.
Leto Your garden analogy is kinda off. From the movie and what Scott himself said it is more likely that the aliens/black goop are the tools of the gardeners. In what instance are the gardener and the weed having the same DNA? The Gardeners and the fruit are the same: the engineers. Humanity is just the rotten fruit.
The fallen angel is a metaphor, meaning that there is/was a creator above the engineers who they disobeyed. As did humans and androids (as of Covenant). It is all a metaphor.
>>>Can someone shed light on where the name "Mala'kak" first appeared?
As I remember, Mala'kak is first mentioned in the comic book Aliens: Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels. This is the most greatest story about Alien EU.
>>>If this is really a thing, then it would mean, that whoever dropped the name "Mala'kak" behind the scenes knew long ago, that the guy in the chair wasn't an extraterrestrial from deep space
No. The Space Jockey/Mala'kak is the alien from the deep space. Even more - it is a subspecies of the Alien!
>>>but that his kind had a religious background with humans.
Not directly. Not Mala'kak, but xenomorphs were a kind of Angels of destruction. They already cleared the Earth in the distant past - 3.2 billion years ago, exterminating all living things.
>>>The beings on Planet 4 look like a cross-breeding between Engineers and humans
Yes, it can be assumed that they are a more successful experiment than humans.
>>>If the Planet 4 beings are - as i suggested in other topics - not the Engineers but their creation, then this would match.
Yes, that makes sense.
>>>Fallen Angel = Demon: Which is Synonyms with Wicked, Deceitful and Cruel.
>>>What we have to Consider would be WHO are the Fallen Angels in Context to the Franchise?
Not who, but why? Ridley simply jabbed his finger and said - yes, these guys are Fallen Angels. But why?
You should remember the duality of being. These Space Gardeners, these kind, smiling farmers... for whom? Obviously, for their garden. What is a garden? Without a doubt, this is primarily a man-made, controlled environment, where the growth and reproduction of plants (and animals) are controlled by the gardener. From this point of view - Aliens are the flowers in the garden. But people can be - the weeds. Or just the soil.
Anyway, the Gardener is a good god for his plants, and an evil demon for weeds. See - there is no Angels and Demons, there is Angels or Demons depending on the circumstances. Maybe - the Earth was not originally designed for people...
Slightly flawed logic there, BigDave...
Jones certainly could have been in the sleep chamber at the beginning (deleted dialogue doesn't count as proof in my book). After all, some of the sleep pods were hidden from camera. But Ripley had no idea how long she was going to be asleep in the Narcissus, and there was nowhere for the cat to run around. Jones would soon be dead, so it makes a lot of sense to take him to sleep with her.
The Nostromo is a different kettle of fish. It's huge, and traditional ships of old often had a cat to keep rats under control. With its workmanlike dirty environment, I wouldn't be surprised if a ship like the Nostromo had a few rats running around.
The one thing that puts me off the rats theory is that Parker made Brett go after the cat because otherwise they might pick it up again on the tracker. The same would presumably be true for scurrying rodents.
I think the PLOT sound more like a Alien Colonial Marines, and would suit something similar (Mission to LV-223 after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope).
I think any Hadleys Hope Game would have worked better as a Survival Horror like Alien Isolation, but with more use of Weapons but NOT a Full Blown Tour to Armed Force like the Majority of the Franchise Games.
However it was nice to see work being done on some Games under FOX and a Concern that Disney has canned them... makes you wonder what LITTLE Plans that Disney has for the Franchise.
