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Thanks for that Theusprom. Sounds like GOOD stuff!! I think this is going to be one hell of a film!!!!

I think Neurion is basically right , if i will play skyrim my alter ego will be a male because i want to feel myself in a different reality and of course be the hero of that "virtual " world . So is a bit the same with movies , action movies . Btw i think is not a matter of society , of politically correct things ...is just that they want to try to be original ...when the script is very weak ( or not very original ) they try to make something to make it different , one is for example to put a bad ending , so they please "almost" a sector of viewers that will say that "the director had the balls to give a bleak ending " ...of course the movie suck anyway .

Hey Frantz, I’m gonna have to go and disagree with you in regard to societies agenda vs. artistic license in the media…at least in the United States. Perhaps things like male and female roles and political/societal correctness is different where you come from, but the current American media climate…goes something like this: The most hated creature in the media is the young, white/Caucasian male, Also known as White boy, Cracker, Haole (Howley) or Honky. Why is this? How can this be? I’ll tell you why. The USA is a great melting pot, filled with many races, ethnicities, religions, languages, sexual orientations. Etc. And it’s a relatively young country…a little over 200 years old. For many or most of those years, and for the most part, if a person was not a “white” or caucasian male…they were treated like garbage and or abused. So, as the years rolled by, the “Civil Rights Movements” gained momentum and the popular vote in the 1960s and 70s…all the way up to now…2011. In the U.S. media, it now fashionable to berate, ridicule, spoof, and even humiliate the image of the “young white male.” Think about it! Think of the movies, television shows, commercials, magazines, etc…of today. Take a close look at who’s doing what…in the roles. You will find that most of the time… like 90-95% of the time, the role of the young white male is the villain, the asshole, the nerd, the thief, the drug addict, the dork, the gang member, the killer, the “BAD GUY”. Conversely, the roles played by “so called” minorities, or “special interest groups” i.e. Females, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Jews, etc., are usually the “GOOD GUYS” or are at least in positions of benign power. If you don’t believe me…or have just never noticed… Check it out for yourself. I challenge you! Perhaps all of this sounds a bit paranoid, and maybe it is. But no more paranoid than a black person might have felt in the 1940s, when he couldn’t get job because of his color… or a woman who didn’t have the right to vote because of her gender, in times past. In my opinion, the U.S. media “machine” or industry…is controlled by Jewish-American producers and money. These Jewish producers identify more with American “minorities” and “special interest groups” than with “white males.” This is because they too were persecuted, starting with the Egyptians, the Romans, the Nazis, the Americans, and many others. Therefore, the media is used…as Jack Black in “School of Rock” would say, to “STICK IT TO THE MAN” at every possible convenience. Anyway, that’s why female characters are currently being written as these unrealistic, super-heroines. It’s to appease American women in general, who have historically been treated like shit…in real life and in the media. Otherwise, why else would we have Xena, Aeon Flux, Underworld, Lexx, Captain Janeway, Columbiana, Trinity, Neytiri, Vasquez, Chacon in Avatar, Veronika SALT, Lara Croft, Elizabeth Swan…“King of the Pirates”…and all the other recent Karate kickin’ ladies permeating the cinema these days. Very unrealistic! You know, I’ve been a Martial artist/ boxer for over 20 years, and in that time, I’ve reluctantly sparred with several women. Their choice. And I gotta tell ya…I went through them like shattered rice cakes. It annoys me when I see a 105 lb. Angelina Jolie smackin' around 220 lb. man...that's bogus and unbelievable. Now, I don’t mean to come off as an ultra-conservative dick, which I’m not. Well, I not ultra- conservative anyway. HA! I have many Jewish, Black, Asian, Latino…and female friends. We speak very openly about these subjects, and they often agree with opinions, once I explain. Politically, I’m an independent who believes in liberty and justice for ALL. Oh yeah….and…”ALIEN” KICKS ASS!!! ~Neurion…the white guy

Neurion, I disagree, Just FYI, with One thing you said.... This... "On the other hand, if I compare it to truly excellent films of the genre, of which there are few (Carpenter’s THE THING, ALIEN), it’s quite weak and feeble…at best. The setting/atmosphere was a bit stale…and “diet Coke.” Like its predecessor, there should have been more of a…pardon the pun, “Who Goes There?” sense of paranoia in the air". I am not quit sure about what you meant by "Like It's predecessor", because it's predecessor, is John Carpenter's "The Thing". The John Carpenter re-make of "The Thing" is one of if not, next to "The Exorcist; TVYNS", IMO, one of the top 5 "Sci-Fi/Horror Films" EVER made. That remake by John Carpenter was in a word and simply..."REMARKABLE" !!!

also, and I am sure you meant no offense by it, I am Jewish, and I take GREAT offense to that having anything , at all, what so ever, to do... with how the Suits behave in their jobs in Hollywood. YES, most of them ARE IN FACT JEWISH, but THAT, has nothing to do what so ever with the decisions they make. I do however, agree completely with the "WHITE MALES" between the ages of 15 and 20 angle.

Neurion i agree on the exagerated research of the politically correct in everything ..but i think is quite passing away and is not a bad thing after all im eagerly awaiting the new "the walking dead serie" and yes there is the afroamerican and the chinese guy BUT the main roles are all white guys ... yesterday i was watching Pandorum ...well the hero is white and the chick too .. take all the superhero movies ...are basically all white males ... the hero of Avatar ..is white and so are the two of titanic ... and so on ... is true that in every movie that have to put a character for the "minorities"...bur is really that bad thing ? Its useful to show kids that good or bad guys dont depend of the skin colour ,,, and at the end take the prometheus cast ..there is a black and a oriental guy but all the cast is white caucasian and the probably main characters too ...so i will not complain ..and i will deeply support idris elba chances of be the hero :p

Frantz, I’m not sure what you mean by “exaggerated research.” Are you referring to the lengthy nature of my post…or what? In any case, I don’t think that the “political correctness” trend or agenda is “passing away” as you do. If anything…It’s getting more prevalent and ingrained into in to society. Maybe you would understand, if you lived in the U.S.. Maybe the problem is not as bad in Europe. In America…it’s only worsening. I object to revisionist history. I object to “brain washing.” I object to lies and hidden agendas. The Soviets pulled the same shit, selling communism to Russia and many other nations they assimilated like the fricken’ “Borg.” Many people smoke marijuana to feel a certain way or alleviate their pain, others do cocaine, acid, morphine, or heroine. Still others “lick up” whatever the government or media feeds them…those people asleep. They’re…still “plugged into the Matrix”…they’re sheep…or worse…they’re slaves. I’m not one of those people…at least I try not to be. Now, Black people…or should I say African-Americans, comprise approximately 12% of the U.S. population. If I were a visitor from another planet, I would assume that “People of Color” make up at least 50% of the U.S. population…if I simply watched television and films. The ratios are completely skewed. This is what I’m talking about. I agree that children should have good role models. But, not at the expense of reality and the truth. As far as Idris Elba is concerned, I am a fan of his stuff. I’ve enjoyed his television and film work. However, the fact that he was cast in the role of “Heimdall” in the latest THOR film was, in my opinion, absolutely ridiculous…and EXACTLY what I’m referring to. In the THOR comic book, Heimdall was ironically sometimes called “The White God” or “The Whitest God.” Do you see where I’m going with this? Idris is a fine actor, but he had no business being cast as a mythological Norse god!…anymore than Anthony Hopkins would have, being cast as Martin Luther King. Un-F***ing-Belivable! C’mon Frantz…help me, help you! I’m tryin’ to pull you out of the Matrix! Just take red pill man… ~Neurion P.S. I don’t mind being called “white.” Spectrally, white is the presence of all colors. But maybe I’ll start calling myself a European-American…since other ethnicities don’t use color designations in the U.S. any more. A rose, by any other name, still smells sweet. However, you can put perfume on a pig…and it’s still gonna be a pig.

exagerated research = the fact that in every cast there must be an afro american , a latino and an oriental one ... sometimes is quite ridicolous but is useful socially because that "minority" of the population will feel to be part of something . .... of course is also to appease a more wider audience !! Regarding the matrix , the governament is the people ..they arent smarter or dumber than us ...what they try to do is to give every part of the population something to indentify with .... beware that the population always have to give the fault of their own problems ( because they drink , because they are fat , because they dont find a work , because they dont find a girl etc etc ) to the governament , to a minority , to a great cospiracy ...

Spartacus, You are correct, I meant no offense. However, I do personally believe that people’s ethnic, religious, cultural affiliations, sympathies, and or points of view…absolutely affect their professional behaviors. It’s part of who we are, and we don’t just leave it in the church, temple, mosque, ward, chapel, synagogue, or in our homes. If it’s part of us, and it’s going to affect our work…especially for artists. Human beings do not exist in a vacuum. Whether your Cecil B. Demille, John Ford, Steven Spielberg, David Geffen, Ridley Scott, or even Mel Gibson…especially Gibson, your views are going to influence your art and decisions. At least that’s my current opinion. To me, if one's culture and beliefs don't show up in their work...then they're not much of a member or believer. I hope I’m not coming off as offensive. As far as the “predecessor” statement I made, I was merely trying to point out that the Carpenter “The Thing” did a great job of creating a certain paranoia in the outpost, and generated an uncomfortable feeling of distrust between the characters…a quality that the new film should’ve mimicked with greater skill. At least that was the point was attempting to make. I also agree with you ranking “JC’s THE THING” in the top 5 of horrors. ~Neurion

@Biomechanic Thanks for the advice. You sound like a very open minded person. ~Neurion

@Spartacus, You're absolutely right, I meant no offense. ~N

@Ruhaniya, Once again...HILARIOUS! ~N

Dear Frantz, You have a much more idealistic outlook and opinion regarding governments than I do. Personally, I wish you were right...and that I could agree with you. Unfortunately, I do not. Our shape-shifting Aliens, Graduate from law school, pass the Bar exam, and sometimes even hold office for 4 to 8 years. I like your world better than the one I believe we live in. Lets pray for that. ~Neurion

im not that idealistic ...i think that 80% of people are basically dumb ...so 80% of our governants are dumb ... plus add a 15% of criminals . the difference is that i dont see difference ..they lie , they steal , the do good things no more and no less than us ...they arent a different breed .

If nothing else, lol, I truly respect your candidness Neurion. At least you are a transparent hold nothing back No B.S. kind of guy. You speak what's in your heart and I have great respect for that even when I do not agree with it. Cheers. ~Sparty@the NFLParty

Member Posts: 95 Frantz › Posted 10/16/2011 I'm not that idealistic ...i think that 80% of people are basically dumb ...so 80% of our governments are dumb ... plus add a 15% of criminals . The difference is that i don' see difference ..they lie , they steal , the do good things no more and no less than us ...they aren't a different breed . Frantz, BINGO ! Dead Bang On The Money !!!

Hey Neurion, Here watch this [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wneHFnqKQN4]LOL[/url] Yup its done by a black guy, but he brings up many valid points. Regards, Rick

Elliot Goldenthal. Alien 3 Public Enemies Heat Titus Or Angelo Badalamenti. Twin Peaks Blue Velvet Mullholand Drive (Be interesting to see how he interprets Ridley! Paul Haslinger. Underworld While she was out Tangerine Dream

I predict if they launch with a PG-13 rating this film fails miserably. I cannot believe, refuse to, that the studios would even consider such a thoroughly dumb and absolutely out of touch, detrimental, and completely incompetent move which would directly and negatively effect any potential success of this film. If I am Scott, on this one, I tell them straight up, it goes out as a minimum R rated film or it sits in a frikkin' can for the rest of their lives and they can kiss my Xenomorphing butt!

Not exactly to the standard of the others, but here's mine. I used the ancient story of Prometheus as a basis for depicting human interaction with the 'gods'... [img]http://i892.photobucket.com/albums/ac127/Moorkey/Prometheus.jpg[/img]

Hey Moorkey, I have to say A W E S O M E! I can see that being used by Dark Horse Comics for the comic adaptation.

nice.

Here's another one... [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/promeban1-1.gif[/img] The original file for this puppy is 1500 x 500

Notes On Giger's work On "Alien" Initial Work Giger talked about his sudden transition into being the designer of the derelict space craft, which would have been confusing situation because he had initially not been expected to design the craft but only the life form that was the title creature. The derelict would have been designed by Chris Foss (design seen here) if Dan O'Bannon had his way. [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/derelict6.jpg[/img] Gigers Work 374 [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/02derelict.jpg[/img] Foss' half buried derelict Another point to note, if one takes a look at Foss' second derelict design and Giger's main design, work 274, it looks a lot as if the left half of Giger's ship is a biomechaniased version of Voss' lobster like structure sticking out of the sand, and Giger has given the thing another half with a hammer shaped tip. The fin to the left side of Voss' derelict on Giger's derelict becomes a bulbous protruberance . [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/396.jpg[/img] Giger's wreck detail work 396 1.) H. R. Giger: 5 March 1978, London. "In Scott's office on Lexington Street, I outline my ideas for the derelict (plate 374) The derelict is a space-ship built by non-humans which the three astronauts come across on the strange planet. Scott thinks its absolutely great. O'Bannon who has just flown over from the USA, doesn't think it's technical enough. A battle of pros and cons begin. I keep quiet; I know that Scott will win the argument. I did the picture one morning when I couldn't get back to sleep. I was staying in a flat in Old Church Street in London at the time. [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/374a.png[/img] derelict sketch 374a The derelict is not strictly in my field of work. But I had this idea and simply had to get it down. By the time Mia gets up I have finished the picture. I also get a good feeling when pictures go so easily, and looking back, I'm often not disappointed with my work. The certainty that my ideas will be adopted and that Scott can interpret them allows me to keep quiet. The war of words comes to an end and Scott asks me to paint a picture of the entrance passage. The battle is won. "(Giger's Alien, p22, ) 2.) H. R. Giger: "Well, it was decided that I would do the alien and only the alien. That's because Ron Cobb was working on the project in the early, early days. I don't remember whether they asked me or not, but I painted my version of the derelict in the morning and showed it to Ridley in the afternoon. He said, "That's it. We'll use it. Please do the entrance and the interior now." So I wound up doing more than we expected." (Warren's Alien Collector's edition, p33) [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/375.jpg[/img] Giger's Wreck Entrance , work 375 3.) H. R. Giger: 16 March, Zurich "I've had a longish talk with my lawyer about my contract, and an hour and a half's telephone conversation with Beale, a production executive of Twentieth Century Fox. It all seems clear for the time being. I've made my concession and done two extra pictures for my Alien designs. I've finished the entrance passage (plate 375) as well as a view of the derelict showing the glass dome about the cockpit (plate 382)." (Giger's Alien, p22, ) origins of wreck entrance design 4.) H. R. Giger: "Once the alien was under control, Ridley asked me if I could design a spaceship not made by human beings. Well how do you do that? I thought maybe it might look organic - something that could grow even, like a plant *- but I didn't know exactly what it should look like. Then early one morning I couldn't sleep, I got up and started painting and the derelict ship was born in a few hours. It ended up like an aerodynamic bone with little technical stuff all over it, but it wasn't anything I had planned - it just sort of ran out of my mind and my airbrush, which is not uncommon for me. Often I try to switch off my thoughts as much as possible and let the painting flow spontaneously from my subconscious mind. (Cinefex 1) (* Giger often talks about creating the final image that looked as if it were something planted that was on the verge or maturing. In Warren's Alien Collector's edition (p32) he mentions" I wanted it to look like something planted - perhaps in the process of maturing.) Changes http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/TIVHLXh993I/AAAAAAAAAUk/rIsPJZnES4c/s1600/396.jpg [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/396.jpg[/img] work 396 There was talk about changes that needed to be made to the derelict's design, the information about this is not exactly clear in the quotes below, we find Giger's explanation revealed that there was some confusion about whether the ship could be told apart from the landsdcape and then we also discover another side to it, that his derelict space ship design didn't make sense in three dimensional terms for the modellers so Giger had to do some pictures to explain the structure even further. Giger mentioned that there were several reasons given for the need to change it but not one of the ones given was the most talked about how there was some trouble getting the design accepted but nothing about the problem regarding how to interpret it's dimensions. Were these two events or one event seen from two extremely different points of view? We might wonder perhaps if the earlier concern about whether they could be interpreted took place at an earlier time as described in the first Giger quote in "Initial Work". However Giger produced two other paintings to explain the shape of the derelict as seen from the side, works 396 and 397, and perhaps 382 [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/397.jpg[/img] work 397 [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/derelictportals.jpg[/img] 1.) H. R. Giger:19 July 1978, Shepperton Studios " They ask me to the office, where Scott, Seymour and Carroll are waiting for me. Carroll says I will design another derelict. The entrance passage and the landscape can stay the same as those that have been built in Sound Stage H, but the rest will have to be changed. As it is now, it is too reminiscent of a bone (work 378*) and might make people think it was an organic part of the landscape. There will also be technical difficulties in building it. I am astounded to hear this from Carroll, of all people, who had been enthusiastic about my derelict when he first saw it. I suspect that Shusett and O'Bannon are behind it. Even good friends can often infuriate one. I try to convince Carroll that the dimensions and the aerodynamic shape are enough in themselves to distinguish the derelict from the landscape, and moreover the technical details ought not to be too obvious in case they spoil the biomechanical character of a space-ship built by non-humans. I simply can't see how I can improve on it; I regard it as one of my best pictures. Carroll proves unyielding and finally practically orders me to conjure up something else out of the ground. They seem to think I can just shake good ideas out of my sleeve - the bitter fate of a creative artist. Scott keeps quiet during the discussion, and in silent opposition demonstrates a quite ordinary, banal crashed aircraft, its tail fins pointing skyward. I understand and, promising to try something different, go back to my work. This is an occasion when time will work for me. " (Giger's Alien, p24, ) (* Giger makes a reference to work 378 in his book Giger's Alien but this an error because this is the painting of the egg silo exterior, so maybe he is still talking about work 374) 2.) H. R. Giger: "I liked the derelict very much and Ridley did also - but then they wanted it changed for several reasons. But I said I could not. Once I have a good design, I cannot change it to something I think is not so good." (Cinefex 1) 3.) Ridley Scott: "There's a great tendency in this business not to use the first thing you come up with. As a result, people often just work something to death - I've been accused of this time and time again. What we were looking for here was a totally alien-looking spacecraft. I didn't think it would something with a lot of lights on it and stuff like that. I figured it would be like nothing anyone ever imagines; either that, or extraordinarily familiar and slightly archaic looking. And Giger's first drawing was just a knockout. I took one look at it and said 'That's it.' Other people couldn't quite see it though, so I had to keep digging my heels and saying, ' You wont get a better derelict - don't screw about with it.' You know, Giger is a special case, and when something's that good, you have to recognise it and leave it alone." (Cinefex 1) [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/escher-waterfall-small.jpg[/img] 4.) Brian Johnson: "It's a wonderful design, but as it turned out, we couldn't build it. It was like an Escher optical illusion. As a two-dimensional painting it look very logical, but there was not actual way you could build it in three dimensions. To get a rough idea of the shape, we took about a nine-inch piece of polystyrene and then carved it with a little device that looks like a tuning fork with a wire stretched between. When you heat it up, the hot wire just melts its way through the polystyrene and you can carve the right sorts of shapes very quickly, You can't get the sorts of detail you can with clay. But somehow the derelict form just didn't work, so I got together with Giger and we talked about possible modifications. Then he went off and did the drawing. From that we produced another polystyrene shape which he though was pretty good."(Cinefex 1) [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/Screenshot2010-09-06at234423.png[/img] 5. Brian Johnson: We took Giger's sketch and sculpted a small replica without any detail, just the basic shape, for a test. It's a common problem. A director will come to you with drawing; "Hey I've got this great sketch!" But it's a two-dimensional drawing, and when you put it into three dimensions it never looks the same. You have to be able to look at the sketch and say, "That's going to look like a pile of rubbish. Why don't you let me have a go at making something similar, but might have a totally different shape in three dimensions?" "We showed the rough sculpted form of the Giger sketch to Ridley, who said that it was somewhere near what he would like. Then we built a huge one about 12 feet across that would be used for background establishing shots. (Starlog. October 1979) [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/382-1.jpg[/img] Success The following comments speak about the successful creation of the Giger's derelict. Giger points a finger at Dan O'Bannon being a major opposition towards building his design. 1.) H. R. Giger: 3 August, 1978, Shepperton Studios. Next day O'Bannon flies back to America. Mia films him as a souvenir. (Giger's Alien, p24, ) 2.) H. R. Giger: 20 September, 1978, "Seymour drives me to Bray Studios, where the special effects group works. In the middle of the hall is my tried and trusty derelict, or at any rate the framework of it, with a nucleus of steel tubes. The whole surface is covered with netting. Dick Butten, one of the modellers, has built it up, and now Voysey has to cover it with a coat of plasticine and fit it out with cables and technical accessories. I'm delighted with the way they have done the job, built up from my plasticine models, I say so to the group, and they seem very pleased. Extraordinary -suddenly they are working from my designs. Has O'Bannon's departure got something to do with it? As always there simply wasn't time to make any other design. (Giger's Alien, p26) 3) Martin Bower :"At this time we were joined by Peter Voysey. He had been working on the sets, in particular the huge "space jockey" over at Shepperton. Now he set about detailing the Alien derelict. An outside contractor had built a huge 2 foot wide polystyrene shape over a steel framework based on one of Giger's drawings. Now he had a job of detailing it! I cannot tell you exactly how many pounds of plasticene he used by I believe it was several hundred. I know we cleaned out every florist, toy and craft shop in the area! This was applied and sculpted over an entire models with thousands of EMA pipe bends pressed into it and then spray painted directly over. It was filmed that way and was fine as long as no one pressed it too hard! " (scifi and fantasy models p36) [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/Screenshot2010-09-06at234423.png[/img] 4) Nick Allder :"The model was built of polystyrene with a fibreglass skin." (Starlog, October 79)

In my made up alien universe, his first ink sketch 374a = was the derelict craft when it first teleported to LV-426, then after several thousands of years or several decades? transformed fractally into that. You know as part of the terror forming processes absorbing elements from the planet. Hence, why the portal is not damaged. But don't mind me that's just the green goo crystallizing in my imaginations. Thanks Spartacus for that boost! I'm drooling like an alien.

Your most welcome Ruhaniya. That is a good read.

The Thing is… Well, I saw “THE THING” prequel last night. (NO SPOILERS) If I compare it to the average Science fiction/Horror film…it wasn’t terrible, and had some pretty interesting ideas. On the other hand, if I compare it to truly excellent films of the genre, of which there are few (Carpenter’s THE THING, ALIEN), it’s quite weak and feeble…at best. The setting/atmosphere was a bit stale…and “diet Coke.” Like its predecessor, there should have been more of a…pardon the pun, “Who Goes There?” sense of paranoia in the air. Also, I never really got the sense of bitter cold, and the frigid reality that it would be in Antarctica. The extra-terrestrial monster manifestations are pretty cool designs, with some rip-offs…or homage to the original The Thing, Alien, From Beyond, Leviathan, etc. A few of the effects are crap, right out of a “Sifi channel” original movie, but most are passable or good. The films editing and pacing is a bit off, and the third act feels rushed. However, I will sacrifice criticizing everything for a solid story, believable characters, and realistic, interesting dialogue. The question is: Who goes to see Science Fiction Horror Films? I mean…Who goes there?! I’ll tell you who goes there. MALES. That’s right! Males between the ages of 10 and 50. Sure you have a couple of “here and theres,” but by and large, it’s “Dudes” who make or break a SciFi/horror film’s box-office success. So why in God’s name, do filmmakers continue to shove and shoehorn female characters into traditional “male roles”? Once again, I’ll tell you why…to push a liberal, feminist agenda. These roles are traditional because they work…and are more realistic. This is an unpopular and fairly taboo subject in today’s society. You would think, they would be smart…and greedy enough to realize that sometimes you cannot accomplish both box-office success, and political correctness simultaneously. Alas, they’re too numb to figure out or balance this equation. When I saw the film last night, there were about 70 or 80 people in the audience…give or take. Only 6 or 7 were female. This is what I talking about. This is a “Guy flick,” whether people like it or not. So, all the males in the theater sat there and watched a woman shell out most of the flame throwing, alien ass-kickins. In my humble opinion, this is the main reason why this movie will fail. To tell you the truth, I actually, really liked the lady protagonist’s character…a lot! Doesn’t change the fact, that deep down, males want to identify with a male protagonist. One could say: “Well it worked in “ALIEN” with Ripley”. My answer for that would be: It worked in ALIEN, first of all, because it was a novelty. It had never…really been done before. Secondly, in the original ALIEN, Ripley was not the Rambo type of character she was eventually developed into. She was a young, responsible officer, who had command authority and terrible decisions thrust upon her, in an impossible situation. Thirdly, ALIEN was less of an action picture, and more of a horror film. Therefore, Ripley fit perfectly into the horror genre’s male psychological…Beauty and the Beast cycle, where male viewers are free to be scared and terrified, vicariously through a female character’s predicament…without injuring their own male ego. Ultimately, I enjoyed a lot of the elements in the new “THE THING” film…but it’s still weak, and pales in comparison to the original. ~Neurion P.S. The screening did not include a "PROMETHEUS" trailer.

"ya- rrright!?"

the tragedy is that we can continue to talk about other movies until the superbowl ... all octoberrrrr .....novemberrrrrr ...decemberrrrrrrr .....januarryyyyyyyy ......

Neurion I gotta say you hammered the proverbial nail into the subliminally repressed male coffin. Well said. And by that I mean you said it better than I could've. And I've been known to say things well. It astounds me how 30 odd years later we've been unable as an audience to connect with a female protagonist enamored with male qualities. It isn't just Hollywood to blame either or even contemporary society. The more you look into it the more it becomes apparent that it is something inherent in our human psyche, conditioned, evolved, call it what you will; this male dominant aspect of our species is here to stay. For now at least. Were not the only creatures to behave this way and we certainly won't be the last. Perhaps Prometheus will address this dare I say truism if it is in fact an origins story about more than just the alien xenomorph and their makers. Perhaps Prometheus will expand beyond all the conjecture and hypothesis and rhetoric and truly become a cinematic masterpiece. I hope so.

I'm just looking at the image of Giger's Hierolglyphics painting in 'Giger's Alien' and a couple of things strike me... 1. The version that Apollo posted has a revised head on the 'humanoid' perring over the egg and with the facehugger and with the chestburster. In the original art, the humanoid appears to be wearing a space helmet in all three instances. I have heard before that this painting has been 'modified' - but why. The revised version does look more Space Jockey I agree, but I think it is too small if you compare against the egg. 2. Could it be that the creature arching over the painting is a version of the Space Jockeys that 'births' the eggs? Its mid-section does look odd and appears to be suggesting this is the case.

For now I made this. I was inspired by one of the leaked stills at comic-con, where you could see a hand above something glowing. I recreated something similar. It definitely looked like an non-human technology that is active in some way. [img]http://www.tamasdesign.net/prometheus_tamas.png[/img] [url=http://tamasdesign.net/prometheus_tamas.png]Full size[/url]

DUDE, i say that's fantastic, it's so incredibly original man, awesome job I love it.

oh almost forgot, My most sincere apologies to admin for not adhering to the rule of NOT USING THE PROMETHEUS TAG ON THE BANNERS. they can in fact easily be taken out if need be, but whats important is that I make you aware that I am aware of what I did, and it was wrong, so MY APOLOGIES. S O R R Y ! [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/sorry.gif[/img]

@Vanilla-Hollywood, hmmm I'm not really sure. This past year has been a bit of a blur for me can't seem to remember most of the movies I've seen been stuck watching lots of tv shows instead. I guess the ones I remember best are Rise of the Planet of the Apes, X-Men First Class & Red (silly but very entertaining). For the genre & based on viewing experience I was most pleasantly surprised by how good Planet of the Apes was. Had no expectations going into it so I guess that helped. Andy Serkis definitely deserves an oscar nomination in the very least for his performance in that one. He was the movie.

Again, guys, I´ve to state that I´m actually more into screenplays and plot-wise qualities, when it comes to be a bulky mash-up of special effects, CDIs and whatsoever, once more. For instance, take the `Perry Rhodan´ universe, that I mentioned afore. This sci-fi hero´s based universe is equipped w. all kinds of nonsense and maunder, too, but it´s basically those stories, that keep it alive- after this, entire he surely wouldn´t give a good role-model for an American or any big Film production; nevertheless its fan base is gaining or renewing, ever since (it even has some shorter films) But let me bring out or retain some facts in memory: There´s always some movie makers (film studio intendants) relying and conceiving on some (comic book) example and balancing it: is going to score? - the next thing to hype??? if so, then let´s do a movie production!!! That´s film industries, clear. But as you also know, in the case of the Alien universe things are situated a bit differently; as they´ve this fabulous designer Giger aboard, it´s basically his artwork that displays the alien/Prometheus/a.s.o.-universe. He, in the meantime, would deliver all sorts of blurred visions and warped commingles w. sexually-mechanic connotations in his drawings; as soon as he comes up with some more precise, everyone would turn to this honorable gent and abandon even some fresher and better ideas, just to have his concept realized. With respect to all sorts of sci-fi fandoms and their related realms of possibility: in my experience there is not so much new stuff left, anymore... (and even so if, it´d only effect that anchorpoint essays need to be re-written, due to Giger monopoly) So, when speculating on the plot, or even just on a trailer, the question rather must be: what´s remains on substantially new things at all, that could occur in Prometheus for all the effort and money spent? Even if some of you here might not be w. me, Vanilla. P.S.: Allow me to still advert to the Krauts (die Krauts); It´s a couple of industrial designers from Offenbach/ Germany. Muscleing in on sci-fi/fantasy arts-design scene in the early ninetees, their once loosely Giger- (but also others; see Predator?!) inspired design was brought on another level;In my opinion, they´ve made it to create sth. self-contained out of it. [url=http://www.die-krauts.de/index_01.html]If you want to affirm yourself.[/url]

lol yea...tru dat.

Count me in on anything Giger.

you got it Rick!