Will the Deacon from Prometheus be in Alien: Covenant?

Awesome post Chris, upvoted!

But I do believe that the Deacon's fate was already revealed in the comic PROMETHEUS: FIRE AND STONE, as a mass of biomechanical flesh overlooking the landscape.

 

Yeah, not entirely sure that's the exact fate of the creature haha so i suppose it remains unexplained for now.

"What happened to Deacon?"

Well according to fire and stone comics by dark horse comics,thats considered canon by fox,if im not mistaken Deacon became a mountain.

Still I dislike the idea of deacon becoming a mountain,I hope they explain his fate in future sequels

 

 

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The muthur website isn't really handing out any clues. All it does is give information straight from the "avp " wikia pages:

 

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Deacon

 

So, no real new info, just a neat marketing idea, using information already available in the web 

I am just wondering why deacon doesnt have any of the biomechanical marks on himself? Ingeneer was biomechanical but deacon not. Would be so logical to make of him biomech.like other xenomorps...

Maybe the engineers biomech suit wasn't hard encoded in it's DNA, so it didn't get picked up by the Deacon.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Deacon becoming a mountain concept... lol

Happy New year guys....

Maybe i can spend another 8 hour session on here like last night ;)

@Chris

I am not sure we would ever touch upon the Deacon again, it was just a Plot Device to showcase the link between the Black Goo and Xenomorph DNA.... i think many felt the Deacon was a let down... not Xeno enough.. never looked Scary (neither does the Neomorph newborn stage).... 

We need to remember the Deacon is a Mammal... would you be scared of a Puppy looking Wolf Pup? or a Lion Cub or a cute baby... that could then grow to a Mike Tyson, a Wolf or Lion.. So the Deacon Adult could be a horrific beast... logically its no Egg Layer... Logically it would have a rapid life cycle....

My theory was it would need a Host to get Genetic Material or Seed from then it would every 12-24 hours Birth a Hybrid Alien or even Hybrid Trillobite.

But i doubt it would be explored....

would LV-223 be explored?  Its a Plot Hole of sorts now... surely they wont ignore it... as why look for the Xeno when Lv-223 holds much more rewards.

The Deacon came about via a series of events...  I assume... a Female Womb and Eggs are required for the Deacon and so the chances of it happening in the future or past would depend on Females...

Once we have a Female (Ovaries, Eggs and Womb)

Then the way to it is one of the below...

*Infected Sperm with Black Goo... this means a infected Male has to reproduce with the Female..

*The top of the Ampoules contains a Parasite and its these that infect the Eggs.... (Holloway was just a way to transport these Parasites to Shaw).

The latter provides more potential for a re-occurrence or a past occurrence.

i wont even go there with Fire and Stone...

Or indeed the 4Chan leak which is gathering more credit...

Who ever wrote both... is flawed..... maybe they should brought back Lindeloff... yeah i know... he is ambiguous but the guy has great ideas.... like Paglen too..

Where as Green is more generic like Spaights...  more suited to a straight forwards easy to read ideas like  a super hero movie.....

Blomkamp fits into this category too...

MAYBE FOX..... should just come and ask me for some advice lol.... I hope 4chan leak is BS for most part...  as well this movie could then if not.. be as basic as AVP2 yes... i mean that.. even Alien R seems more less generic..

But alas... Ridley Scotts comments and Wayne Haags interview gives me hope... and the Source too (if i am clutching at straws).

 

Fire and Stone had some interesting ideas... i am sure some would hold ground.... but its also very flawed... that if Taken as Cannon leads to even more Plot holes and wasted oppuntinities

I know that Fire and Stone was originally planned to introduce adult Deacons in the story framework. You can see them on the original AVP cover, here:

 

This was changed when the book hit store shelves... here we see those Deacons replaced by the Warrior Aliens we all know and love:

I get the sense that Fox pulled them from the Dark Horse series (with only the vague mountain reference), because it has plans for them (or at least the one) in Covenant. I don't think Fox wants to let the adult creature out of the bag until we all see how Ridley handles it first. 

What other reason would they have to remove it from the artwork? I'm open to your suggestions :)

Prediction... we see this thing stow away on the Juggernaut with Shaw and David, and then all hell breaks loose. Is Shaw turned into the egg? This crossed my mind when the trailer hit. Glad to see the thread (some of you folks have come to the same conclusion)! 

Now we wait!

Nice catch... i do remember that original image.. also had artwork of a Human clutching a Engineer Urn.. with a Hive and maybe hints of Egg Morphs in back ground that was never used.

I think they changed to the Classic Aliens Xeno.. because well FOX thinks Xeno's is what sells.... which is why i think AC has changed so much from earlier clues and apparent course of action.

Maybe the Deacon would be explored in future... i do say if Fox wanted to keep it back for the movies... why would the Comics hint the Deacon Merged with the Temple?

I think the Neomorphs are similar to the Deacon though... i have looked at the one in the trailer in detail and seems to be close to the Deacon...  just white/grey with Two Spines on its back and a Tail.

BigDave, were you referring to the baby in the trailer? 

I dont think we would see the Egg Morph or Deacon...

Maybe a Worm got on board?

We dont know yet where AC is going... i have a idea but i maybe should discount the Source and look at other clues as if i never heard nothing..

Then indeed something like this comes to my mind.

*David feels disappointed at how Mankind viewed and saw him, yet he saw himself as being superior.

*David discovers  in irony, that Mankinds creators are Mortal After all,  and also dont have much care for their own Creations...

*David sees the Engineers intended to destroy Mankind with a horrific Weapon... the Engineer also did not favor David too well.

*David is free... but feels unloved and wanted.. shunned by Man and Engineers... a Outcast... a Abomination yet he knows he is more superior to Man, and Mankinds Gods only had a Technologically advancement advantage.. and with the Engineers Gone... David now has access to their Technology and Tools that made them Godlike.

*He was very interested in the Technology of the Engineers and their Agenda and intentions for Mankind.

*But alas, as a head he could not do nothing.... he was now free and had all this knowledge and Tools.. but he cant used it while he is in the state he is..

*He needs Shaw to help put him back together... She needs him to get off that World.

*David is interested in the Black Goo and what it does, he did not get to see fully what would have happened as Shaw aborted her Child... and David did not get to see what became of it... he surely would have wanted to know what happened next.

*But Shaw makes  a deal with David... she wants to go to where the Engineers are from... and so David would not be able to take the Black Goo to Earth to study....

*David agrees... and once Shaw is in Cryo-sleep David can go where ever he wants...or do what he wants.. but logically. indeed going to the Engineers Homeworld he could get some of his own Answers..

*David would be cautious... he knows how a Engineer treated him before.. if he has any chance he would have to hatch a plan to Safeguard himself at the expensive of Shaw or Mankind.. and may plan to attempt a Covenant with the Engineers.

*Failing that he has a back up plan and Deterrent in the Black Goo.

IF THEY ARRIVE.... at Paradise and the Engineers are long gone.. or most of them are....  more so if they are all gone..

*Then Shaws Agenda for her answers would be a waste of time... No Engineers... No Answers... unless David can find out information from whats left behind....

*David would then be free to pursue his own Agenda.. If there is no-one to answer Shaws Questions... then David can then go about to get his own and his own interest and Agenda..

*If there are few Engineers and David feels its a risk to try and talk to them and that by killing them off... he can then wipe out any threat... while also be able to observe what the Black Goo does..

*He can then say to Shaw either the Engineers are already gone.. or they was hostile... but then David can say to Shaw he can find the answers from whats left behind without having to speak to a Engineer...

*This leaves David free to explain what ever way he wishes as far as Shaws Answers... he could find out the Truth.. or Nothing and make up something to Shaw or not tell her the Truth but only the Truth that suits Davids Agenda..

I feel if we look at Davids Logic.... the above would all fit.

 

@A L I E N 4 2 6

Yes...

Its hard to make out..... and i cant post the photos that was requested to be taken down...

But the Organism seems similar to the Deacon.. only white/grey and its rear of the Head is not as long or pointed.. it has Two Spines and a Tail... it has long arms.

But the side of its head its similar to the Deacon.. so the Front may be similar to the Deacon.

it looks like a combination of other designs..

Basically....

Your talking this... but lighter...

Smaller less pointed read of head... smaller more sharp spines.

Crossed with the Body Proportions of this... with smaller Tail.

Think of that and combine it.... and thats your Neomorphs

I remember that picture. But I thought there was a released picture of the adult Neomorph which is how #Belugamorphs started. That really looked nothing like the Deacon except for the pointed head. 

 

In any case I really hope we see the Deacon, and inevitably the adult Deacon someday on screen (assuming F&S and L&D aren't canon), as it seemed a nasty and potentially horrifying looking beast. Maybe in a future sequel we will see an engineer flashback showing the Deacon outbreak in assuming it was deacons, as we are getting female Engineers introduced in AC, I can only assume there were females on 223 as well. Maybe engineers lost ability to reproduce, tried to use black goo to get the ability back, did....well, ya know....to the women, they birthed trilobites....

 

Deacon outbreak 

Combine that last Alien 3 runner... with this Prometheus concept

Make it same colour as the Engineers Skin..

Add Two Spines and Tail... well basically combine the above with the last image in last post... make it Engineer Skin Grey then add spines and then a Face/Mouth like this

And this is what the Neomorph looks like..

Yes there was that concept work.. leaked Davids Workshop LOL

And then another leak few weeks after...

I cant re-post images in case they get requested to be taken down.

If you take the Body of the Baby-Head one, crossed with smaller one next to it with the tail...

Add the head of the one thats facing the back to you... with the Deacon like Head... and it also has Spines..

This is what we are getting....  this is based on seeing those leaked photos and then comparing to the Trailer...

So we can assume that head goes through some serious growth into adulthood. I also hear it's similar to the early white Deacon concepts, and the crucifix pose "Ultramorph" 

 

EDIT: when it comes right down to it, it's basically a white Deacon with spikes and a tail 

Tried to enhance detail a bit...

 The one leaked Photo that came out with the other Temple Shots and Covenant Hanger showed the Neomorph at Chest Buster Stage..

This above is a latter Stage.. if we assume a Human Child say 4-5 year old stage... and so fully Adult i assume it would look more menacing...

Oh I love how it just looks at the camera 

Not sure how the deacon could survive on lv-223 without food for very long. Considering the weyland and yutani merger didn't happen over night I can't see another vessel getting there before it dies. Like BigDave said it's either a plot device or it did make it aboard the ship Shaw and David were on. 

It would justify its appearance in Prometheus if it was the reason that the ship crashes. Maybe it's one of the way that Prometheus will be "uplifted" 

Hmmm . . . an interesting one!  

I'd say it's either still on LV223 awaiting further human contact, which we may see yet in the franchise - ALIEN 5 perhaps?

Or it stowed away with S&D and we may yet see it in AC (this seems unlikely but possible nonetheless)

Last option is it died on LV223 but I have a feeling these creatures can last for a long time by human standards

The whole business on LV223 needs tidying up imo as it is inconceivable that WY wont have sent another ship or investigated the disappearance of a billion $ ship and the great Peter Weyland and his principle heir and primary creation, David 8 - unless the info. has been sent to them already . . .

That they looked at LV426 in ALIEN rather than LV223 (which by galactic terms are neighbours - nay, in the same house!) is telling, unless it's not been thought through - which I'd doubt.  That implies WY knew nothing of LV223, which seems unlikely, or they knew nothing of import was left on LV223 . . . It could also be that they were afraid to go down there but as the crew were expendable I doubt this!

Perhaps Alien 5 or the AC follow up film can address this.

I could see the Deacon still living on LV223 , 'munching' on worms or Hammerpedes for it's food...growing larger and ever more mutated. a steady black goo diet! Yum! Just waiting for a lift off this rock....should watch it's weight, if it expects to fit in a conduit or a small jump ship!

Did Shaw use Engineer tech to repair David?

There is a second entry for the Deacon in MUTHUR if you type "LAWRENCE OF ARABIA":

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I'll rather leave the Deacon alone than make it generic. Don't make it a "proto-xenomorph", don't turn it into an Alien Queen, instead embrace its potential or at least let it be mysterious. Even the mountain from Fire and Stone is a better fate than the above imo. Though personally, given its human-like hands, I like to think it can learn to manipulate human technology rather well...

I would love to see more about the Deacon...did it stay on LV223 and if so, did it explore the Engineer Temple...in my fantasy it would give up on that after a while and crawl in a corner and maybe slowly mutate into an egg.

and I wonder if it's more intelligent than say the Alien from the 1979 movie.  In the movie it doesn't, but the concept art suggests maybe it is...but maybe that's just my interpretation

 

and as for the enhanced three part photo BigDave posted...I can see there is something (I stared at it and stared at it, I wanna see it !), but I just can't make it out - I will have to wait for the movie

Any takers for...

Deacon One: A Prometheus Story

...no, me neither.

LOL

I would take that up ;)

Actually my P2 draft i was considering it but decided to leave it alone and was other further horrors that would have been discovered..... but had a few stumbling blocks as far as how things connect to Engineers Agenda...   showing like Prometheus did .. what the Black Goo can do is easy..

Trying to cover the things linked to it that people was maybe hopping Prometheus 2 would have.. was tough...

The Deacon could have been interesting but it was just a Plot Device..  it would be interesting to see where they could have gone with this....  Here is a run down where Logically it could have Evolved..

*Deacon is a Hybrid.... it is Born from a Engineer Host (similar DNA to Mankind) via a Hybrid Human/Xeno Black Goo DNA...  Therefor its would be a 50-75% Human/Mammal DNA Hybrid this is why we see.

a) A Placenta.

b) Human like Fingers and Toes.

c) Enamel Teeth (not Metallic).

d) Seems to have fully formed features so its just a smaller version of Adult Stage... unlike the Xenomorph that changes as it grows from having no real Legs, Arms or Dorsal Protuberant Appendages to the Adult Stage Having them.

*Xenomorph Traits the Deacon has some Xenomorph traits and DNA  it has...

a) An Elongated Head thats more pointed. 

b) No Eyes.

c) A kind of Pharyngeal Jaw (different to the Xenomorph)

Human/Mammal Traits we can only Logically Speculate about.

*Likelihood it would be similar as far as conception/reproduction where it would not be a Egg Layer but would have Eggs that are incubated that evolve to Embryos and then Born as fully developed Organisms.  Maybe how it would Fertilize those Eggs could be given a more Alien Twist.

Maybe the Baby-Stage is a Trilobite Hybrid?

*It would maybe grow to the same % that a Human/Mammal New Born to Adult would do.... which would make the likelihood of the Adult being about 13-18ft tall.  (But if based on Human Growth and Averages.. then the Deacon would grow to 15ft approx).

Unlikely Human/Mammal Traits we can only Logically Speculate about.

*Speech and Cognitive abilities of a Human.

*Nurture and caring for the Offspring, which could include feeding (Milk).

Although social interactions and some degree of care of young we see in some Mammals could be explored.

Xenomorph Traits we can only Logically Speculate about.

*Rapid Growth and Life Cycle... so a Deacon would likely grow to Adult form in Days.. if not 12-24 hours. But certainly not Years... and the same would be when the Deacon Procreates.. if we assume it carries a Embryo and not lays Eggs. Its logical to assume the Deacon Offspring would develop and be born within a short period of time.. equal to Xeno Embryo Gestation but certainly not vastly longer so again 12-24 hours.

*Similar communication between themselves but can this work with other Xenomorph based lifeforms.. or even communicate via a alternative path/sense with Humans?

*Acid Blood, maybe this defensive mechanism trait is carried over or maybe its not.. this ones a 50/50.

Unlikely Xenomorph Traits we can only Logically Speculate about.

*Ability to create Hives/Secret Resin Material...  again this is a less than 50/50 because we dont know yet 100% how the Xenomorph does this..

*Growth of a Tail, and Dorsal Tube like Appendages... we have to assume its Growth would be more like a Mammal.

The above.... is my study of the Deacon its DNA Ancestry and how it could implicate how the Organism would go onto to grow and behave... 

I think it would have to have a very Xeno like way to procreate that requires Sacrifice, as far as how it would Fertilize its Eggs.. But then we dont yet know how a Queen does this and so the Deacon could just grow a Baby and Birth one every 12-24 hours.

But having the need for a Host would make it more Alien and Horrific... even if thats as far as it needing Genetic Material or Seed so to speak LOL.... Doubt it would be as pleasant as Sil/Eve from Species.

"I would love to see more about the Deacon...did it stay on LV223 and if so"

Maybe i could be wrong... we shall see.. but i think unfortunately we wont be seeing the Deacon in the movie at all....... Period...

Not the one from LV-223 that is...

But it cant be ruled out to be re-created...  especially of it was not Holloways Infected Sperm... but merely the Goo on Davids Finger from the Top half of the Ampoule contained Nano-worm like Organisms that merely transmitted from Holloway to Shaw just as a STD would.

All David would need to do then is get more of this Goo, and somehow pass it into her Womb, and the result would be the same... as far as Trilobite goes..

Or if she already has more of these Nano-worms (or in this case maybe infected Sperm) inside her and they do-not die out for days and so after giving Birth to the Trilobite, she could now be infected again.

More Good News.... and brings my Hijack with the Neomorph into context with this thread...

If the Neomorphs are the result of Mutated Spores that evolved from the Black Goo, be that David bringing it or a past exposure...  If the Evolution by Contaminant in Question is the same as those found in the Temple Explored on LV-223 so they came from the Organism in the Mural or under the right circumstances could produce it..

Then our Neomorphs would be more related to the Deacon than the Xenomorph.

 

Here is a Gif of the Neomorph

it will make it clearer to spot...

http://s27.postimg.org/5hupkvflv/Neomorph.gif

 

thanks BigDave !

The Deacon was interesting in the way that it was the closest to the Xeno that we got in Prometheus. I viewed the movie with the state of mind as to trying to figure out how it came to be. Having the Deacon in it was a good thing because it made the Xeno connection clearer but I wish that they had made the Xeno connection stronger.

 

As for having it in AC I don’t think that it is necessary if they already will have stronger connections to the original monster the way it is already. I still wonder how it will be able to survive on LV-223 but that is not a reason to return to that planet.

As BigDave and others have pointed out...LV223 is a major plot hole. It really needs to be filled. Juggernauts and cannisters of goo just laying around....The military would have exploited this and would have zero need for LV426. Peter Weyland and his daughter died on LV223. The company is going to want to find out what happened.

Love that GIF BigDave, thank you!

I found it on internet, not my work.. credit has to go to someone on AVPGalaxy as it directed to there.

@Thoughts_Dreams

The Deacon does leave us to wander... we have never had any official information on the Xenomorph as far as Life Expectancy maybe SM has some?

But it appears the Life-Cycle is as follows roughly.

*Eggs can remain dormant for a very long time maybe thousands of years (is that naturally or due to the Blue Myst in the Cargo Hold?)

*Face Hugger Life Span is up-to 5 days before it will die.

*Embryo Gestation seems to be 12-24 hours

*Chest Buster grows to Adult in about 12-24 hours

*Adult Xenomorph (include Queens) unknown but if the Queen is similar to a Ant/Termite it would live for much longer than the other Xenomorphs...

How is this relevant to the Deacon?

We dont know the life span of a Deacon or what it would require for nutrition to survive...   If we know how long a Xenomorph can live for we may have some idea....  But bare in mind it also had Human DNA at Face Huger Stage and also it was Gestated inside a Engineer and maybe they can live for a long long time.

So we dont know if the Xeno was a designed and manufactured Bio-Weapon or it is the Perfect Result of a Bio-Weapon if this is the case then it would have some kind of Half/Life to it or the Engineers would have created something to neutralize the Xenomorph once its done its job....  as if the Xeno is how Aliens showed a able to procreate and create a Hive etc...   Then as a Weapon its Flawed... it would be just like us cloning Velociraptors then unleash them say in Africa and watch them wipe out the Wild Life and Procreate.. you would then be left with dealing with the Velociraptors

So its anyone's guess as to if the Deacon could be alive for any amount of years... or if there are means it can Procreate with whats available on LV-223 or even if it can Produce on its own Asexually.

Lot of IF's and BUT's    that we dont have answer too and fund to speculate... it would be nice if they release a File or include in the future reference books more information.

But i think any future books and SM would have more of a idea, would be made in a way that its based off officially company reports... and so if in Canon the Company or anyone associated never see the Deacon again to Study... then we simply may not get that information.

And so the Deacon would forever be a Mystery that we can speculate about....

Although Fire and Stone indicates it Merged and Became part of the Mountain... i think this is the Comic Book Producers interpretation of what the Mural was showing...

"As BigDave and others have pointed out...LV223 is a major plot hole. It really needs to be filled. Juggernauts and cannisters of goo just laying around....The military would have exploited this and would have zero need for LV426. Peter Weyland and his daughter died on LV223. The company is going to want to find out what happened."

Their destination was classified.  It's not a plot hole, but could possibly be a loose thread.

 

"The Deacon does leave us to wander... we have never had any official information on the Xenomorph as far as Life Expectancy maybe SM has some?"

There's nothing definative.  If you take the comics into account and believe the Deacon grows into the mountain in Fire & Stone, the Deacon can live at least 125 years.

As for Aliens - again it depends.  The Hadley creatures could have been up tot 5 weeks old.  Some creatures on Bouvetoya could've been 100 years old.