Does AVP count as accurate to Prometheus

Paul W S Anderson also states on the second disc of AVP extreme edition DVD that he discussed, at lengths, his ideas with Dan O'Bannon and recieved ideas that contributed to the original screenplay. This is what I meant by co-wrote. O'Bannons view on the Alien was jaded because of the way he was screwed over by the brandwine productions idiots. If was not for O'Bannon, none of us would be here but who profits from his idea, 3 (now 2) greedy morons. Also, I seem to recall that James Cameron actually liked the first AVP. And for those that dis Cameron, Giger absolutely loves the design of the Queen. @ Xenophobia - AVP would have been worse had it followed the comic/game example. It makes me laugh that this argument goes round in circles the way it does... On weylandindustries.com it relates about the patent for the powerloader seen from Aliens, therefore you all accept Aliens as canon. but the very name of the website [b]WEYLANDINDUSTRIES[/b].com comes from AVP, but thats just coincidence in peoples eyes. If you wanted to eliminate the AVP's from canon why have an official site using the name of Weyland Industries, rather than, oh I don't know weylandcorp.com

Hey Fellas, Here’s how I see it. The 4 ALIEN Franchise films are fraught with inconsistencies, due to artistic license and many other factors. The AVP and PREDATOR films suffer from the same problems. I think that the main cause for these continuity differences, flaws or changes, is due to the fact that these stories are not coming from ONE, full-bodied source material or work. The filmmakers are making it up as they go… compounded by the fact that production teams are being changed with every film. This is why the LORD OF THE RINGS films have a continuity that is pretty much unmatched, whether one likes the films or not…one author, one director, same production team. Unity of cinematic purpose and goal. Just like a football team, a government, or any other endeavor that is aspired to. For myself, the would be ALIEN “canon” was smashed…a long time ago, with the release of ALIENS, a film that I love…but still distorted the original vision. For my taste, none of these others films have even come close to ALIEN 1979. As far as video games… I really don’t give a shit what they consist of. Let’s face it…they’re FU

Craig you'r dead on, too often are movie sequels turn out like if they came out of an assembly line. The first AVP was just passeble entertaiment and AVPR was "basura" (garbage in spanish) as far as I know I think RS is trying to bring something new and fresh to whole Alien Universe, something no one has envision before.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_vs._Predator_(film)]Your text to link here...[/url]...........Before 20th Century Fox gave Alien vs. Predator the greenlight, Aliens writer/director James Cameron had been working on a story for a fifth Alien film. Alien director Ridley Scott had talked with Cameron, stating "I think it would be a lot of fun, but the most important thing is to get the story right."[34] In a 2002 interview, Scott's concept for a story was "to go back to where the alien creatures were first found and explain how they were created", however he has not shown interest in pursuing the project.[34] On learning that Fox intended to pursue Alien vs. Predator, Cameron believed the film would "kill the validity of the franchise" and ceased work on his story, "To me, that was Frankenstein Meets Werewolf. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other...Milking it."[35] After viewing Alien vs. Predator, however, Cameron remarked that "it was actually pretty good. I think of the five Alien films, I'd rate it third. I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot."[35] A sequel, Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem, was released on December 25, 2007.[36] Directed by brothers Greg and Colin Strause, the story continues from the conclusion of Alien vs. Predator.[37] The film also received mostly negative reviews, and had a worldwide theatrical gross of nearly $130 million.[38]

I don't feel the Predator should be attached to Prometheus/Alien at all. If there is a Predator in Prometheus, I am walking out.

I'm a huge ALIEN fan and I've never even bothered to watch AVP films because I know they will just be a joke. AVP has no place in Ridley's world.

Snorky, God love you, we can argue inconsitencies about Weyland Industries all day....the fact of the matter is, there's no denying that AVP was an excuse to make money, as I said, some studio shlub decides he can wring the last vestiges of profit from the wet towel remnants of an idea...... .......we're missing the point here....why is O'Bannon so frustrated in that article?...."I’d like to see it stop. A horror movie’s a fragile thing, and once you’ve gotten past the original, it isn’t scary anymore. So you do a bunch of sequels to a horror movie, all they do is drain any remaining impact out of the original." Why has Ridley held off on returning to this universe for so long?....he has always said that he wanted the right story...because story is everything....With 'Prometheus', as he's said countless times, this is its own story, congruent with the alien universe, but separate and unique, a prequel that goes its own way, something FUNDAMENTALLY NEW.... AVP takes two different franchises, mixes em' up as a gimmick, STEALS from O'Bannon's original script and bastardizes those stolen elements to make money rather than art.........sure Ridley's made it clear wants a massive finacial success..there's nothing wrong with that, except in the moment it becomes the sole point of the damn thing......There is no attention to artistic detail, integrity, storytelling or purpose in AVP...it is, therefore, categorically undeserving of canonical respect....

I consider the AVP films to be satire. I think it kind of goes over a lot of people's heads. The movies aren't meant to be taken seriously.

I feel sick.

To be honest, nothing about AVP would have to be mentioned in Prometheus to keep it canon. They don't need to acknowledge it to confirm that those events happened or that Predators exist in the same universe; They would have to go out of their way to write something in that discredit the validity of the films or simply show that the Xeno did not exist until the events of Prometheus, which of course would make AVP not possible. As Snorkelbottom has pointed out -The website has gone out of it's way to include Weyland Industries -The timeline mentions the Yutani Corp. These are two valid references to AVP There is a lot of discussion on whether Alien 3 & 4 will remain canon as well with most people saying Alien & maybe Aliens is, but not the rest. On the websites timeline are references to Aliens (Power Loaders and Colonial Marines) and Alien 3(Prisoners transported off Earth to correctional institutes), I didn't see anything for Res, so please correct me if I overlooked it. So if anybody is basing Aliens as being canon due to the timeline references than you would have to accept the other references made by the timeline and website as being meant to be canon. They are either there to include these movies into the canon or they are simply there for fanfare, which means we can't say one is saying a film is part of the canon but not the others. Tutelo- "Because of that single scene in Pred2(which is no longer canon due to Predators" Predators doesn't make Predator 2 non canon because Robert Rodriguez comes along 20 Years later and says that sequel doesn't count anymore, he didn't write anything into the movie to prove that Predator 2 didn't happen. Isn't that like someone other than Scott coming along after Prometheus to do a sequel and saying that he's going to change the canon. All 3 are canon for me regardless of what he said, IMO. CanadaPhil- "The AVP movies have taken away virtually ANY mystery the Xeno may have had and completely reduced it to nothing more than a mindless piece of cannon fodder that was bred by an intergalactic version of a Hillbilly hunter looking to get its kicks by killing and stuffing something for his trophy wall." Didn't Aliens turn the Xenos into cannon fodder first, just saying though. @ Spartacus- Um, no comment for fear that you might retaliate in all CAPS on my ass. Dude, it's like your turned into The Hulk when you do that, LOL. "SPARTACUS SMASH AVP"!!! God fear the day they come out and say that AVP is officially canon, I want to make sure I'm nowhere near you, haha.

"-The website has gone out of it's way to include Weyland Industries -The timeline mentions the Yutani Corp. These are two valid references to AVP." Sorry Alien DNA, but those references do NOT prove the validity of AVP....Weyland/Yutani exists as a corporate Conglomerate in 'Alien' and 'Aliens' and 'Alien3'....simply referencing them in the timeline does not validate the mash-up mess that is AVP....I don't recall the timeline on weylandindustries.com mentioning Charles Bishop Weyland.....someone want to prove me wrong on that one?.....I garauntee that would be a validating reference....but it isn't there.....

Altered State & Alien DNA in the house... To add to the comments regarding Predators... 1. Noland Roland was originally scripted to be either Dutch or Harrigan. 2. The Classic Predators holographic display was first seen in AVP. 3. 3 Predators hunting prey together was first seen in AVP. 4. The Director Nimrod Antal has said that the jaw attached to the Berserkers mask is that of the Alien (although I personally don't see it myself). 5. Nimrod Antal has also stated that in the Predators camp there is a Classic Predator and Alien skull (but I have only seen the Classic Predator one). And on another note, AVPR is the one film to date to actually do the Predator, and in a sense the Alien, justice.

@ craigamore - remember that originally Weyland-Yutani was never meant to be a merged company (as per Ron Cobb), just a company with a double barrel name. Even Sparky will vouch for that. AVP and AVPR were the first films to voice said merger which is backed up on weylandindustries.com, not only by the websites name (AVP) and its references to itself as Weyland Industries, but also with the mention of the Yutani Corp as a separate body. None of the Alien films stated that Weyland-Yutani started that way, that was AVP, further backed up by said site weylandindustries.com.

This is accurate and true info I found Hysterical this morning, seems to me no body ever checked to begin with what that word even meant. "can·on" 1 (knn) n. 1. An ecclesiastical law or code of laws established by a church council. 2. A secular law, rule, or code of law. 3. a. An established principle: the canons of polite society. b. A basis for judgment; a standard or criterion. 4. The books of the Bible officially accepted as Holy Scripture. 5. [b]a. A group of literary works that are generally accepted as representing a field: "the durable canon of American short fiction" (William Styron). b. The works of a writer that have been accepted as authentic: the entire Shakespeare canon.[/b] 6. Canon The part of the Mass beginning after the Preface and Sanctus and ending just before the Lord's Prayer. 7. The calendar of saints accepted by the Roman Catholic Church. 8. Music A composition or passage in which a melody is imitated by one or more voices at fixed intervals of pitch and time. I can add another one too, 9. In war time ...a Slow Moving Military device used to fire Large Black Balls Packed with gunpowder at an enemy.

Snorky....explain the absence of Charles Bishop Weyland in the Timeline....who, in AVP, is the founder of modern artificial human tech, not Peter Weyland as 'Prometheus' suggests..........the two timelines DO NOT mix or jive with one another for that reason.....how can you have a corporate timeline for Weyland Industries and NOT mention Charles Bishop Weyland?.......As to whether Weyland/Yutani starts as a single entity or is the result of a merger; sure, you say, "None of the Alien films stated that Weyland-Yutani started [as a merger]"...that's true, but none of them say it didn't happen that way either.........the notable absence of Charles Bishop Weyland is a clear and definitve repudiation of AVP.....that Ridley, Spaiths and Lindelof chose only to take the merger idea, does not, in and of itself, prove AVP occured as canon...if anything it does just the opposite wiith Charles Bishop Weyland being left out...... The only thing that will change this reality and fact of AVP's unimportance is Charles Bishop Weyland being mentioned in the film 'Prometheus'...Until we see that, there's no eveidence in your favor on this Snorks....sorry and I do say that with all due respect to you sir....

And CLEARLY if we were to go by the very definition of that word, the ONLY "Canon" in this entire universe we have been discussing so deeply and with such emotion would be the first film and this new one and THAT'S IT FOLKS. And I am just going by the very defenition I just looked up which makes it clear they all have to come from the exact same screenwriter if you ask me.

@CAM... 1. CBW was an engineer and pioneer in robotics, nothing more (time magazine in helicopter en-route to icebreaker piper maru - AVP). That does not conflict with PW creating synthetics, if anything it supports it. 2. If they had wanted to ret-con AVP out of canon, they would not have mentioned weyland indusries whatsoever. 3. The corporate timeline, despite the sites address, is for Weyland Corp, not Industries. 4. Mentioning CBW is not necessary, same as it is unnecessary for Prometheus to mention Ellen Jane Ripley. Also the link is more interwoven than the two AVP films... Answer me these... 1. What was Special Order 937 in Alien. 2. What was the OWLF's mandate in Predator 2.

and I have to say this because I know how Snorklebottom's Mind Works and it's a devious one at that, he's goood...so before he comes in here and says what I know he is going to say I am going to address it... No Snorklebottom you cannot count or use #5A in your argument which is..."A group of literary works that are generally accepted as representing a field: "the durable canon of American short fiction" (William Styron)." simply because 1st of all this isn't about any "Filed" or "category" of work that they, the films, would represent it;s about the validity of content created from completely different writing teams and secondly because there are no defining set of literary works that preceeded the first film or the 2nd one or the 3rd or the 4th let alone the AVP series.

Okay Sparky... Find me the definition from the same site you used for CANON, for the word MONG

No comment,....I remain neutral on the subject unless i find anything that relates that may support either case.

To be honest i don't care if it's canon or not it doesn't bother me but as films go i find avp entertaining enough to watch. The second i couldn't get through it, and predators, i found enjoyable to as sc fi entertainment goes. I was intrigued by what the other film makers, think about them and the writers, etc purely from a point of interest i guess.

and nice try Snorky but I saw the film Clint Eastwood Made "Gran Torino". I know all about the Hmong people whom I think you are using in an unfair way here to try to wiggle out out of my in escapable logic lmfao... The word actuall has no formal definition..."Mong" that is It is exceptable North American Slang and is derivitve of the word Hmong which were /are vietnemise people. The now world famous URBAN dictionary which usually categorizes such words that reside in LIMBO because they have never been officially defined lists the word as follows... MONG Adj. Lacking in physical and cerebal ability. General retardation. Generally: a total spastic. 1. (Mong)- Slang for spastic, but used against a person who says or does something completely idiotic by accident or without realisation. This makes every witness simultaneously raise their hands to their shoulders and shake 'em while sticking their tongue in their lower lip and making 'urrgh' noises. 2. (Monged)- A vegetive state of mind/being usually effective after consuming large quantities of alcohol, weed, lsd, ecstacy etc or combinations of. 1. Steve you mong, you've just poured the kettle onto ya cornflakes. 2. Steve's well monged after we spiked his drink with acid, muhahahaha. Mong is short for 'mongoloid', which was originally an anachronistic term for a Down's Syndrome sufferer. Derogatory verb commonly used to describe the state of one's lack of common sense. verb "to mong" to be in a deep state of relaxed wakefulness, often induced by the excessive use of alcohol or drugs. and obviously written by a women... Short for mongrel. A term usually used to describe someone who goes off with your ex boyfriend the minute you split up. At the same time she is also a 0 rating on the stunning scale and can often look like a ugly dog or horse. The mong also tends to buzz off presents you bought the ex, unknown to her. lmao !!!

Snork...."Mentioning CBW is not necessary, same as it is unnecessary for Prometheus to mention Ellen Jane Ripley." Mentioning a company's founder in a corpoarate timeline isn't necessary?...OK Not mentioning a lowly warrant officer on some random mining tug from among 837.53 million employees and on a timeline that is meant to end decades prior to when 'Alien' occurs?.....that does make total sense. "What was Special Order 937 in Alien?" Nothing more than a response to the translated signal they received, but that's a debate for another time. "What was the OWLF's mandate in Predator 2?" It doesn't matter as the Predator universe is not a part of the Alien universe and the point is mute. Oh Snork...and there's this, direct from the timeline: "October 11, 2012 - Weyland Corporation is recognized as a legal entity and corporation under United States law and receives their Certificate of Incorporation from the Companies House in the United Kingdom. Due to the combined value of Sir Peter Weyland’s various patents and patent-pendings, the company incorporates with a higher fair market valuation than any other company in history." Isn't that [b]8 YEARS AFTER AVP[/b] when Weyland Industries is supposed to be an established Multi Biliion dollar corporate entity? Wait..I think that totally invalidates AVP...does it?.....[b]I THINK IT DOES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD[/b].....

okay sparky try this one... Prillock

LMAO...now your just insulting me in Klingon or something...LMFAO hey man hope all goes well this morning and much Love I shout your way today, I'm having big fun.

Yeah....I'm with you there Spart....all in good fun Snork...

I have seen the word mentioned i some racing gamers forums as in..."im not some anti gamer [i][b]prillock[/b][/i] with too much time on my hands" LOL Snorky OMG !

@ Snorkelbottom - Do you mean pillock?

@ CAM... 1. CBW is the founder of Weyland Industries, PW is the founder of Weyland Corp. Two separate companies, thus there is no need to mention CBW on a Weyland Corp website. Furthermore, Weyland Industries was already in existence by 2004, your patent reference is in respect to Weyland Corp, a different company. 2. Special Order 937 - obtain alien specimen for study. OWLF mandate - obtain alien specimen for study. Same order. 3. CBW is in no way related to Weyland Corp, but what does it say on the site weylandindustries.com regards PW's parents...

No WDTFH I did mean Prillock, but sparky has yet to find the definition, in good fun of course.