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Burf McGlure
MemberOvomorphMay-05-2012 11:16 AMI don't think the space jockey ship will actively move at a rate faster than light, but I do think that its temperature will reduce to absolute zero, or close to. This would explain the stormy weather, and seeming insta-frost in the atmosphere. This would also be an example of a highly evolved cryogenic sleep. The seat the space jockey sits in would act as a cocoon, protecting it from the inhospitable temperature surrounding it.
If absolute zero, or a temperature close to, is the approach the space jockeys take to time travel, their position in the universe would become fixed, and everything else would move around them. This jump would be almost instantaneous.
The space jockey technology will probably be some sort of teleportation, which would require time travel as a positioning system. If the ship can't go faster than light, it can slow down so dramatically, that the universe travels faster than light compared to it. If this were to happen, time and space would reverse, and the final position of whatever had slowed would be uncertain, and would therefore require time travel to determine the spacial coordinates of its final position. Even if the Space Jockey ship were to dip to absolute zero for a second, its position in the universe change dramatically. The distance traveled would depend upon the speed and direction in which universe travels as a whole.
The map room in the space jockey ship displays an immense, moving visualization of the universe. This map might be able to calculate a final position.
The issue isn't so much actively time traveling, but laying dormant, allowing everything else time travel instead.
One final note, the space jockey ship would need to be in space to reach absolute zero quickly, while not disturbing other materials. ALSO, the outside of the space jockey ship looks like a refrigerator coil. The entire ship could be a giant compressor of some kind.
http://www.dedoimedo.com/physics/zero.html ~ Absolute Zero reading material.
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Windood
MemberOvomorphMay-05-2012 2:21 PMI like the colour of the big space ship. I think its pretty.
Necrofan
MemberOvomorphMay-05-2012 11:55 AMGreat stuff, Burf. I think there are elements of time travel that must be addressed when you are dealing with such inconceivable distance, and any type of socially or economically relevant travel between the two coordinates. Again, I'm not talking wormhole walk-through for the sake of plot development, but real world complications and implications of such space travel. Weyland website talks about how they have terraformed and colonized new worlds already all over the solar system. For Sir Peter Weyland to make any type of money in his lifetime, how fast would they have to be zipping these resources around the galaxy? Do I just need to read up on the website? Am I missing something?
Burf McGlure
MemberOvomorphMay-05-2012 12:20 PMIt's true, the Prometheus does have faster than light technology. The Weyland site also explains that the cryo-tubes use zero-loss lithium ion batteries. The only way to create a zero-loss battery would be to keep the molecules surrounding the stored energy from moving, thus preventing a reduction in total energy. It's like running in the sand, your stride would be much more effective on pavement.
In a way, I suppose the Prometheus is using absolute zero to store energy, while also actively traveling faster than light. I believe the entire Space Jokey ship will reduce to absolute zero and passively travel faster than light. The ship merely disconnects from time, not traveling into the future or the past, while everything else around it continues on.
So, if the Prometheus is traveling faster than light, and the space jockey ship isn't traveling in relation to the universe, the space jockeys would effectively be traveling back in time compared to the Prometheus. Inversely, the Prometheus would be traveling forward in time more rapidly in relation to the Space Jockeys. It isn't really time travel. It is sort of like a car driving atop a moving train. The car can't reach the train's destination before the front of the train arrives, but the car can get the the trains destination before the back of the train reaches the location of the front of the train.
allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphMay-05-2012 12:48 PMI really don't fully understand this.
Is not Absolute Zero a matter of energy?
You are then describing zero energy as a [i]quantum state[/i] - even if that were possible, I'm not sure how that would be an, "explanation", for stormy whether or "insta-frost"?
Furthermore, even if it were possible for a body to posses zero energy at a quantum state, I just cannot see how its position in the Universe would become, "fixed", as a result? This must be incorrect?
The body is either in the Universe, or it is not.
If possessing of zero energy, surely it would still just be in the Universe while possessing zero energy and remaining as much a subject of the Universe, which is in motion, as everything else?
Surely this is a fundamental condition, the fact of which must hold query over every other proposition, you've made here?
Time and Space would, "reverse"?!
Can you explain?..
RHunter
MemberOvomorphMay-05-2012 1:04 PMMaybe the stormy weather is just plain propulsion as the Direlect takes off. Sometimes the simplest explanation... I would like to think they had sweeter tech than propulsion like antigravity or something like it just floats...lol
Travel wise, I think the Direlect just folds space or creates a black hole ripping thru space and time taking that method as a short cut versus absolute zero. I could be wrong, have been wrong and will continue to be wrong at times. :•)
Necrofan
MemberOvomorphMay-05-2012 6:43 PMThat was the point I wanted to make on my own thread. That, unless we want to go back to Star Warsville, All this faster than light travel has to have some implications in real world space-time. That's all.
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