An Insult to true fans of the Alien franchise

Bullshit....it will be vastly superior!!

I disagree in the instance of Prometheus. MOST of us here have a handle on the story, and know that the ole xeno won't be making a cameo. MOST of us here are still very, very excited about this movie. In fact, myself included, I think a lot of people on here hope for a ground-breaking sci-fi movie to usher in a new age. Certainly...another ole xeno movie could NOT deliver that!

Folks haven't seen so much as a hint of a single xeno in the trailers. Given that, along with the fact that "Alien" is nowhere to be found in the title. I seriously doubt [i]most[/i] people will be stupid enough to have any expectation for xenos in this film.

I agree with you azalard. I'm expecting "Kingdom of Heaven in Space".

I too disagree. There are no direct xenomorphs as said by ridley. What you see is the making of xenomorph. So if the xenomorphs are not there to begin with, how come there is going to be insult to franchise? beats me.

What the fuck could a new "Alien" film do that we haven't already seen? I'm not talking about big special effects either. I really hope that's not what fans want. I want something new. I trust RS. And I've always been more interested in the SJ than the Aliens. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Aliens. But I've wanted a decent explaination of what the hell the SJs are and why6 they're transporting that cargo since I saw Alien.

I'll be really happy if it aint a prequel! :)

I guess I am not a "true" fan then. I for one am looking forward to an original story and one void of the iconic "alien." Alien is one of my favorite films. I love Giger's iconic creature design. But let's face it, the critter has been used to death. It's time to explore the larger universe and see what other horrors lie waiting for hapless explorers, blue collar space truckers an "artificial" people.

Our culture has be sensitized to the "zeno" (video games, comics, movies..etc) so new forms of creatures are a must if this movie is going to to create any sense of fear and all the other emotions as the original did. Ridley has confirmed that the last 8 minutes will be his homage to Alien. I feel there will be a connection. Looking at all the "DNA" of Alien in the trailers I am satisfied. I think this will not be a disservice but really bring ADULT sci-fi back to the main stream.

You have listed exactly what I would have hoped they'd do - and every single reason I would want to see it.

@B1-66ER The KIngdom of Heaven Directors Cut fucking rocks so I'll be perfectly happy with something of that nature.

I disagree. I am a huge fan of ALIEN, but what I "really" want to see isn't the ALIEN. That's already been done before. I just want another great Sci-Fi movie from Ridley. If it ties into ALIEN someway, then all the better. (In fact we already know it ties in - There's a SJ in the same/similar SJ Chair and the same company is in it.)

I hope it is going to be a great film, and I don't see it as an insult to the fans of the franchise (I define myself a fan). Only time will tell if there are real connections to Alien or not (though the visuals seem to point in that direction), but I for one am glad that it is not a true prequel, as it could give some clues as to what that ship on LV-426 was, without completely spoiling its mistery. And also, the fact that I don't know how it is going to end, makes me even more thrilled.

anything can be good if its done right. The alien may have been done to death but so have horror movies in general. I seriously doubt this movie will top its predecessor, ya Giger designed some murals for this, and a mountain, but he didn't design the creatures, (even the engineers are not his original idea of what would become the space jockey), all of this is R. Scott and some other team he assembled. Alien is Giger's creation, Giger's world, Prometheus is R. Scott's world, quite clearly.

I would be very disappointed as would many fans if it was a true prequel that unraveled everything to do with Alien but also if it didn't answer certain questions that we want answered. The idea of building more around the Xenomorph, creation, and the possibility of having the SJ or creaters destroy Earth is absolutly amazing, and would answer a lot of questions that the fans still have, the main one of course being where did the Xenomorph come from. I find it hard to believe that the Prometheus film makers would change the story due to the fear of having it flop at the box office like AvP, (cross overs are never great movies), as far as I'm concerned just because you have two "species" or creatures, with one (SJ) possibly behind the creation of the other (Xenomorph) does not guarentee the failure of movie. A bad plot, bad actors, bad characters etc. does. However if you make a well thoughtout, thought provoking prequel then there should be no fear as to whether or not the movie will do well. You are going to attract the fans from the original movie/series and those who just want to watch a good sci-fi/horror film. Honestly I'm hoping that this is a prequel to some degree, I don't want an Xenomorph to pop out and start destroying the crew and end up having a duel between the Xenomorph and SJ but I definitly think it should show something that relates between the two movies (Prometheus and Alien). I guess all we can do is wait for the 8th of June (or whenever it comes out based on where you are) and hope for the best. However if it doesn't turn out to be a prequel or relate in anyway shape or form, hopefully it will be an amazing stand alone film. & my last bit of opinion is that I agree, I think Ridley Scott will have lost out on a chance to make an amazing movie and pleasing fans.

Trailer convinced me enough. so even if it turns out to be like AVP part 1. I don't mind. I would then expect prometheus 2 as well. It is nice to digg into SJs.

There's obviously 2 camps when it comes to fans. Ridley type fans and Cameron type fans. Sounds like you might be a Cameron type fan, azalard. Nothing wrong with that. I for one am a Ridley type fan. Don't get me wrong, I love Aliens and all the sequels. Hell, I like AvP and almost like AvPR. But no film with the word "Alien" in it will ever out do the original imo. I think Prometheus has a chance at it, though

Azalard, Let's give the movie (and Ridley) the chance it deserves. This is a very risky move for Ridley, no matter how well he made it- since everyone originally wanted a true-blue xeno/SJ origins story. Many will discount it on that basis alone and decide not to see it. Take a moment and consider how poorly made many sci-fi films are these days, the lack of imagination, the endless remakes... how sad is it that I can walk into a bookstore and see many great sci-fi books, containing some killer concepts... that never show up on the screen? No, instead we get a Total Recall remake.. and Lockout (holy crap did that suck)... and John Carter (heads rolled on that one). Look, we wanted an R rating and we got it. It's going to be gory enough, like the original. It's going to tie into ALIEN somewhat, and it's already got the Space Jockey in it. You also get some new stuff, like that creepy mural thing, humans exploring the Derelict ship in greater depth, and some newer monsters. Go see it guys, support Ridley. If it does well, I'm willing to bet the studio will give the green light for a second part that either ties into ALIEN even more.

@azalard I have to disagree completely with you, unless I misunderstood you. And even though it seems we have figured it out, nobody has seen the whole movie yet and I suspect that it will be a real surprise, specially in the last 8 minutes as Ridley Scott has said many times.

First of all, let me preface my reply by stating how much I appreciate everybody's responses. I enjoy constructive criticism, even when my views and opinions are not necessarily popular. Kudos to all of you who took the time to write your replies. I posted on a previous blog over the weekend, and a majority of the people I chatted with were very hateful. I was shocked. Furthermore, those people seemed more interested in contesting my occupation, rather than reading what it was I was trying to say. In their defense, I realize that there are a lot of people going around saying that they've "seen" advanced screenings of this film, when they really haven't. Unfortunately, I am not one such individual. Essentially, I agree with each and every one of you. Sometimes a little interactive criticism is just what I need to rethink my previous position on something. Like all of you, I think Alien (1979) was a masterpiece in Science Fiction-Horror. Another one of my favorites is John Carpenter's The Thing. That was fantastic work of fiction. I think the prequel that they recently released, though I haven't seen it yet, was wholly unnecessary (but that's another argument for another blog). At any rate, I truly have a good sense about this film. I think when I speak to this being a "disservice" to fans, I am referring to all of those who have expressed a sincere desire for a true "Alien" prequel/origins film. However, I believe these folks are truly in for a disappointment, or like one of you guys said, this film isn't going to have the Xenomorph popping up all over the ship in every other scene. From what I've read all over the web, folks seem obsessed with whether or not the ship and the planet are the same from the original Alien. This tells me that there are a good number of individuals focusing on the wrong thing. Maybe it's a good thing Scott made certain things clear about this movie when he did, or we'd all be running around chanting, "LV-426 or bust!" Here's my final point: I was disappointed with Alien 3. I was even more disappointed with Alien Resurrection, not to mention the AvP films. I guess there's a part of me wishing that somebody would do an "Alien 5" in the way Alien 3 should have originally been done. -Thomas

You are wrong, so wrong. This is a Ridle Scott film not an Alien franchise film. I think 99% of the people in here know that to. This movie will kick some Xeno ass.

You are wrong so very wrong. This is a Ridley Scott film. 99% of the pople in here know it. You just insulted this entire site as far as I am concerned. Ban the bitch!

I have to say i partly agree with azalard. I have no doubt in RS's vision and message. But remember, it didnt become a "stand alone" movie until Damon Lindelof signed on. I have no faith in him as a writer or storyteller. For those who watched Lost, After the first season at a conference, they said if someone answered right, they would acknowledge it as correct as proof that they had a planned storyline. 1.What is the island? Audience member said "a version of Purgatory" Lindelof: Nope not it. End of series...what is the island....a version of purgatory. 2. What is the smoke monster? Audience member said "spirit of an angry person trapped on the island" Lindelof: Nope not even close. End of series..... what is the smoke monster? The spirit or negative aspect of an angry man trapped on the island. He repeatedly stated "EVERYTHING will be explained and tie in" After the finale "The story really was just about the characters. We just didnt have time to tie everything up." They knew 3 years in advance when the last season/episode would be. I dont believe anything Lindelof says or put stock in any of his "creativity" or story "premises". I think Ridley's vision wouldve been right on, but mixed with Lindelof......bad news. Lindelof is a one trick pony who seems to take pride in outright lying to and betraying his audience. You can see this in ALL of the Q&A with Ridley and Lindelof. Ridley tries to speak or tell something and lindelof is giving him this look like SHHH! This is because Lindelof is all about sparking interest and not paying off.

@azalard Great response to all of our posts. There are a lot of people online that are obsessed with things and get EXTRMELY hostile when others disagree. I try not to do that. I try to stay passionate but realize people are entitled to their opinion. I think what happened with Alien 3 was a tragedy. I would really like to see the film they set out to make before Fincher was brought on AND I would really like to see the film they SHOULD have let Fincher make. That's a double-fuck-up on Fox's part. As for Alien Ressurection I think it's decent. For some reason I find myself liking 3 better sometimes. I think people would like it more if the effects weren't so horrible. I wish they would go back and redo the effects like Lucas did with the Directors Cut of THX-1138. Redo the bad shit they have and add some new stuff as well. I think the film would be a lot better for me. All I know is I can't wait for Prometheus. None of us can, obviously. That's why we're here. And while the Prometheus ship first lands of LV-whatever it is and not LV-246 DOES NOT mean the film doesn't end up on LV-246. I think it will and I think we'll see a ZENOJOCKEY. If not, I'm not going to be dissapointed.

I am going to preface this: I hate "Lost". I think it is garbage. But let's stop putting all the blame on Lindelof if the movie sucks. Scott Ok'd the script. Scott shot it, and could have demanded more re-writes. Maybe the first script Lindelof was handed was shit on a stick none of us know. If the movie is great Scott will get all the credit. If it is awful Lindelof is gonna get all the blame and that honestly isn't fair. The alien is boring and tired. AvP:R killed it good. And no movie can match up to 30 years of people imagining the space jockey's origins. That movie is doomed to fail so you don't touch it at all. Plus it isn't a story that needs to be told, we know enough of it and ruining the mystery of what is left might ruin the character. Secrets in scifi are great things, lets leave some things secret. If you wanna talk insults look at everything after aliens, look at 95% of the EU stuff. That is not only an insult to the fans but often an insult to the medium of comic books, novels and film making. Lots of poor stories. Lots of them.

First-off, I would like to commend everyone here (especially the brave TC), for having such a civilized debate. I read every single post and am happy to see that only ideas were attacked, not people. Yes, we are different from THAT other forum in that our demographic average is the more mature 30-50 range (medium is around 35-40). You're going to get better (more civilized) reactions here than most places (partly because we recognize and weed out the "younglings" (especially the AvP-generation); not in a bad way, just by the mere fact that this is their "daddy's forum", go "play" in the OTHER one). OK, my contribution to what I have read (short and sweet): RE: No "hints" of the Xeno in Prometheus trailer. IMO, incorrect. (a) Xeno up on the mural, (b) ampules laid out like Xeno eggs, (c) proto-facehugger/cobra, (d) I could go on, but that's 3 off the top of my head I'll contribute more after some other posts go by.

@Shane and concerning comics, other than poor stories, also poor drawings. Some are just unreadable ( in terms of plot, visuals and dialogue).

@shane you are right. But I'm dreading that RS thought (or Fox) that Lindelof would "make it more accessible" when in fact most people dont like Lindelof's version of accessible. RS might be placing faith in Lindelof as all of the Lost fans did. I just hope RS doesnt get burned. This is not a slight at RS. He just wants to make the best possible movie. I just hope he isnt "tricked" by thinking Lindelof knows what the people want and how to give it to them. If this movie is OTC as a stand alone AND a tie in, I will view Lindelof as redeemed.

@NoXword Oh don't get me started on the art. It's awful. But the comics were never huge sellers so they deal with second run people. Then again, I love Sam Keith's art and most of the community hates it. Was it good for Alien? No. But outside of that I fucking adore his art. Then again, I don't know what percentage of fans are comic book people. The only thing I am a bigger fan of is music, and that is the field I make my living in so I have to be. @Galzu I think it just has to be accept that outside of Sci-Fi Ridley Scott has made a lot of box office duds. He deserves as much blame. And I am not a lost fan. I hated what I saw and gave up very quickly. But I am giving them both a chance at redemption by buffering each other. Hope it pays off.

I thank God this is not a bloody prequal, as has been said earlier, what the F---k can that add to the story, more phallic-headed, phallic-tounged creatures chasing around dark corridors? Ridley has been there, did that and it's never been bettered. The real insult to the fans of Alien was that bloody awful Resurrection and them Alien V Predators. When I saw Alien in the Cinema I actually tried to push myself into my chair to get away from the screen, If the leaked story lines and that very disturbing audio clip are any thing to go by, Ridley Scott is revisiting how to scare an audience and it's going to be "squeeky-bum" time again. Any Alien "DNA" will be a bonus, Just can't wait!