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Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 8:01 AMPOSSIBLE EXISTING SPOILERS IN THEORY....So Weyland is on his ship. A man in his position and with his ambition, having a choice of spending his remaining years on earth or being first to experience and get his hands on alien technology..well, it's no choice really. The David8 model on board is pre programmed for Weyland and is protecting the old man and his scheme. Weyland has made him more of an artificial son than a standard model. When they touch down and it's established that there is indeed a ship on the planet, David is tasked with deciphering how the tech works, including how to navigate and fly the vessel. The bio-helmet (complete with head inside) they recover is scanned, and from it, information gained as to how to replicate the technology. During the mission, tension flares between Vickers and David. Vickers is aware that her father seems to care more for his creation than her. Whilst chaos ensues around them with the crew that Weyland sees now as more expendable than useful, Weyland plans to be taken to the temple by David and steal the ship and pilot it to earth. He wants to be like Prometheus and steal the fire from the gods. He says as much to Vickers who warns him, " If you go down there, you'll die". Weyland has learnt a great deal from the impregnation of Shaw and the effects of the alien bio material on his human crew. Under the cover of all the fighting, David takes Weyland and fits him into the juggernauts pilot chair using the adapted helmet they have built using the advanced 3d printing devices on board (Weyland built of course). He's a little small for it..but they've made some adaptations and the chair "blends" with it's new pilot.
At this point, as David is setting the path for Earth (having found the globe in the vast 3d star map)...the ship starts to launch, but the ENGINEER (a being created by the original SJ's, who turned on them savagely), which Weyland and David believed was occupied assaulting the Prometheus (something that David8 facilitated by letting it on board to finish off the crew who were wise to his plan), enters the chamber....
David has previously encountered the engineer in the chamber whilst examining the star map and in a spine tingling encounter, it chose (?) not to harm him...possibly seeing him as a non-sentient being, however, now as the engineer goes to attack Weyland in the pilots chair, David reacts to defend him and there is a short struggle during which Davids head is wrenched off.
The remaining crew on the Prometheus, are now fully aware of the extent of Weyland's plan and know where the ship is about to head to. They know what is on board and that Weyland has used them all as expendables. They realise what will happen if Weyland unleashes the technology on earth and those on the Prometheus, most of them infected in some way set a noble suicide course to destroy the vessel. Vickers however wants to live...she doesn't want her hated father to be the cause of her death and so she takes one of the escape pods.
The ships collide. The Prometheus hull is no match for the bio-mech ship, but it knocks it off course and sends it plunging towards the ground.
The engineer falls during the collision, just as he was about to rip Weyland from the chair. He manipulates the controls in the room and the ships speed decreases as it wrenches itself from the gravitational pull and comes to a halt nose down.
No idea beyond that except that....like the end of Alien where Ripley has to go around the ship to find Jonesy....for some reason Shaw and Vickers will go back into the derelict..possibly to find David....who may still be streaming them video. Possibly to find Weyland...or possibly because it's the only way off this rock....if they can kill the engineer......it'll be nerve jangling!!!
Just my thoughts at the moment.....any comments?
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gameover man
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 10:44 AMive seen the profile of both chair shots, Prometheus and Alien, about as similar of an angle as could be asked without it intentionally being compared, and one guy is just much smaller, i dont see any way around that.
you also have to consider other things, like how two people can look more similar in height when sitting down than when standing up. not all people are of the same proportions of torso and legs. for all we know prometheus SJ cant even reach the pedals. this variable could strengthen or weaken an argument in either direction here.
the more you look at that SJ in Alien, the more you realize that its mammoth in size....
now wheres this room with 10 barefoot women? im into it.

Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 11:06 AMThe most authoritative way to explain the perspective issue can be found here:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U]PERSPECTIVE[/url]

Holden_on
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 11:38 AMjust received email magazine from uk multiplex chain cineworld, contains the following;
"after 2 years in cryogenic suspension, the crew awake above their target planet to be addressed by a hologram of billionaire backer Peter Weyland"
http://www.cineworlddigital.co.uk/unlimited31/page/1?DCSext.customer=MyCineworld&WT.si_n=emagazine&WT.si_p=EmailClick

Frantz
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 11:41 AM@Big Dave ....Clues ...yes there can be some clues ...proofs of course not .
The only real clue is that you dont book guy pearce for 5 minutes ...oh wait they already did 2 times ( the road and the hurt locker )
"" and they said Guy Pierce apears in the movie in various guises."" where they did say that ????
"Ridley hinted there may be more than one Andriod.... so we are all thinking that Vickers is one...." that was a joke right after the naked pushups one ...but people insisted there were naked pushups .
@holden ..that was already said after the 12 min preview , that contain the holographic message from weyland
no proofs yet only that blurred photo of that old guy in the hangar scene

Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 11:45 AM@Holden_on
Thanks
I think I heard about this a while back...something about the hologram saying, "If you're seeing this then I'm already dead".
Again, it could just be smoke and mirrors. He could have planned for it to be played regardless of the situation.
Thanks for the link though.

HoneyBadger
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 11:52 AMDavid 8 is bald when he comes out of the freshness package. Maybe its a second David 8 like some have speculated.

Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 12:01 PM@beyondthebloodplain
Thank you for your comments. I understand entirely what you mean about the Star Trek figuring out of alien technology thang.... all a bit too convenient...In my mind..it's more of a case that David's processing power is immense and once he has found a small solution he can resolve further complex problems faster and faster until he can get, at the very worst a clue as to how to operate the thing....I think that is all a desperate and passionate entrepreneur like Wayland would need to make an attempt at then piloting it. To his mind...it's a flying machine operated by humanoids...it can't be that complex....if they can get it off the ground, they have time to work out the rest. If he can decipher the language, he might even find further clues with the controls themselves. Perhaps the reason it is so slow in getting away is the fact that they haven't worked out the controls yet. Perhaps David has set the course to Earth and the ship is just piloting itself. What do you think?

HoneyBadger
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 12:05 PMAre memorials ever built for people before they die? On the Weyland Corp Timeline you can find:
Sir Peter Weyland Memorial Library built in Washington, DC.
June 23, 2065

Syphonox
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 12:12 PMHoneyBadger:
Yes, Nick Saban has one at Alabama, and I believe JoePa had one at PSU built before he died.
I think wrinkly Weyland turns the black goo into skin creme, gets rid of his wrinkles, softens his skin, and evens his tone. Then he fills a Juggernaut up with it to take back to Earth. Janek likes it so much, he wants it all for himself and rams the Juggernaut. VIckers knew about the goo ahead of time, and she wants it for herself, that's why she's on the trip. Fifield was pissed cuz it didn't help him so he goes ballistic. Holloway thought it would make his eye sight better, he was having problems seeing straight...but he was wrong. Shaw thought it would be a good cleansing drink, so she drank it. It made her really bloated. She was wrong...so wrong. Asshugger was there first, so he tries to protect his claim to the product. It all goes wrong...
I forgot the SJ's/Engineers. They say, "Stupid humans...why do you think we are called engineers? Because we manipulate DNA? No, that's child's play. It's because we engineered this amazing interglactic skin creme....now GTFO!!!!"

BENDER
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 12:24 PMwow, why too much time and thought into a movie for me. you people seem to think this stuff is real (at least for now)? spoiler alert...it's a movie, only entertainment. you all need to go outside and get some air and sunshine and be a contributor to society and not waste your time on the internet. why don't you help your community or do something to better society?
shame this has to come from a "Bender" unit. shame...

HoneyBadger
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 12:29 PMIt's a shame you spend so much time pretending to be a character from Futurama.

Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 12:40 PM@Bender
Hey Bender... It's my day off in bed (sick)...and I don't know what you get excited about..but having a day away from my troops recovering is a good thing. So...as long as I'm have fun theorising about a film who's history first amazed me as a 13yr old is fine by me. It's haters and harmers who want to go and do something for society and the community. We ARE the society and community....and right now we're having a day off from our pressured duties.
Thanks for playing.

Syphonox
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 12:42 PMReally Bender? What makes you think people think this is real? Thought provoking, imagination using conversations are perfectly healthy. What makes you think people around here aren't contributing to society? Is that your own deficiencies talking? Because for one, you're on here posting, are you not? How are you any better? Speaking for myself, I've spent the last 15 years, and hopefully the next 10, in our Air Force. I do my part, as I'm sure all of this forum does.

belladonna
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 12:44 PMand doing such a bad job :( you need to watch all of the seasons of futurama a dozen times more and maybe you will get benders persona down right.
i didnt see chumps, pimp-mobile, or a single reference for killing all humans. FOR SHAME!!!!!!
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B1-66ER
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 1:18 PM@Bender
Conversation is conversation. Whether done outside, inside, on the internet or whatever. Maybe you should go to a bar and suggest everyone drinking and socializing should go outside and get some sunshine. Or better yet how bout a 5 star restaurant.

Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 1:27 PMMe thinks Bender is a troll, looking at his posts.....however, as noted by belladonna...he could be so much better. The thought of a good Bender troll is quite amusing......so far though, I think between belladonna and myself we've provided more Futurama humour than he has.
Must try harder...or get on with that life of his. Either way, we all win.

belladonna
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 1:40 PMi concur.
knowing some troll cant even make a single bender quote as compared to the times i watched every season of futurama and absorbed so many useless yet funny quotes...
i apparently wasted many hours on a show just for entertainment and he cant even watch it for troll fuel!? for shame!!
any troll that doesnt do a lick of research is disgraceful.
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beyondthebloodplain
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 2:28 PM@Mithra
To me, it's most likely that the actions of David8 are observed by the "bald guy", and that the origin of the human explorers is thereby revealed to "him".
I don't think the bald guy is the owner of the alien spacecraft, but he may be the operator. (he's smaller than the SJ from Alien, and may looks small in the "pilot's? chair").
I think "he" operates the alien ship/space croissant/juggernaut.
So, Weyland's intent is as you describe, but the outcomes are not as intended.
Can't wait to find out how right we are!

Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 2:53 PM@beyondthebloodplain
I agree that Mr Big n' Blue is not the owner of the ship. I personally think he was engineered by the SJ's who he then set about decimating. I'm not sure he has all the answers that we want him to have. I think, like the alien, he is an evolved killer. In a way he might be like David8, scornful of his inferior makers...a bit of a god delusion with homicidal tendencies.. It may even be that the ALIEN face huggers were engineered by other SJ's to be useful in exterminating his kind....Meaning there may be more Big and Blues out there.
I heard somewhere that Big n' Blue was built to be like the SJ's god. Perhaps the SJ's engineered us in their gods image?
I think the Wayland agenda will have a bad outcome for Wayland as you say.

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 3:32 PM@Frantz
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/movies/prometheus-returns-ridley-scott-to-outer-space.html?pagewanted=all]Various Guises[/url]
It was in the French SFX Magazine where they talked about Ian Whyte in the Suit and that they had to cast another cast members head, this cast member plays the Engineer in scenes on his own and when confronting the crew the actor is Ian Whyte but they use another actors face for close ups...
This magazine also talked about doing old person make up for one member of the cast.
Again the person who translated parts may have made some up.
Again the NY Times Article could be wrong.
And yes Guy Pierce who said he is in the movie for 5 minutes may only be in it for that long. But if he is not well he is not going to admit it if he is part of the plot.
Again just clues, no 100% Proof.
Only one peice of Proof is the Cast List now we should name who if not Guy Pierce is the old guy and the guy in wheelchair..... unless its a OAP Merc.
What other explanation is there for the old guy, which member of that cast plays him....
I think its Guy Pierce we shall see.
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beyondthebloodplain
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 3:45 PM@Mithra
I must admit I have mixed feelings about the "aliens look just like us" that the trailers portray. The horror of Alien was in the unrecognisable biology of the monster, and its lethality. Literally, we were merely a feed and breed stock.
I'm hoping that the trailers have masked a twist that explains the "human" configuration of the "blue guys". Perhaps they are nothing more than a biological interface for the SJs to humanity (bred in "our" image, to encourage acceptance/awe by the human observer). As opposed to us running away, or screaming, etc.
I hope that they are not to the SJs as David8 is to us, and there isn't a rebel android subplot added to this a la Blade Runner. Let's leave that for the BR pre/sequel.
The design, visuals and sound on the stuff I've seen so far suggest another top shelf, ground breaking movie from my favorite Sci Fi director!

Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 3:54 PMWhat he said......... (BigDave)
I think that Guys part in the film is a big plot twist and as such he may not have been 100% truthful about his involvement before the film comes out. Even if he was....5 minutes actual screen time after his reveal may be all that's needed to tell his tale.... I expect it may be a bit more...perhaps he's wearing a fabricated SJ helmet later on and thinks that doesn't count as screen time ; )

Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 4:04 PM@beyondthebloodplain
I agree that the ALIEN look of the ALIEN was a major factor in it's impact on our psyche. No eyes....extending jaws.....absolutely relentless whilst being smart as well......not to mention the whole face hugger thing....outstanding concepts.
The blue guy seems a bit....light...but I actually think the horror will be about his sheer scale....his aggressiveness and sheer mystery. Possibly he isn't representative of all the same blue guys.... There is a lot of terror in having an opponent who's vastly bigger and stronger than you...looks like you, but that you cannot communicate with or surrender to.
I don't think the relationship to the SJ's will be like that of David to his makers other than...it is a creature to creator relationship.....for better or worse.
I think the only rebel android bit will be David's relationship and attachment to Weyland.

beyondthebloodplain
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 4:11 PM@Mithra
Great thread by the way, and you've got 50+ replies.
Nice chatting with you.

Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 4:20 PM@beyondthebloodplain
Thanks for that...It was great getting my thoughts out and sharing them with you.....its fun and cathartic to be a part of this...we never thought it would happen and now it's nearly here.....yup, it's only a film...but we all know what films can mean to us.....and a great film...well, you become a part of it like I did for 20+ years with Star Wars, Blade Runner, Alien. They influence your future thinking. The conversations you have, the catch phrases you use...You are the sum total of your knowledge and experience and these films are a part of that. A part of you......I hope Prometheus is a great experience....I'm sure it will be.
Cheers

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 4:36 PMI do think that maybe a lot will be disapointed by some aspects of this movie.
The SJ being Big Bald Guys and the link they have with creating us etc... Weyland and his ambition to use the special stuff with another David 8 to make a Replicant etc etc. The 2nd part is speculation by me.
The Cast reads characters related to the 17 official crew + 1 Andriod....
Exploration Team X 5
Shaw, Holloway, Milburn, Fifield and Ford
Company Reps X2
David 8 and Vickers
Prometheus Pilot Crew x 3
Janek, Chance and Ravel.
Mercernaries X 4
[url=http://www.curtisbrown.co.uk/file.ashx?image=6205&height=204&width=204]Merc 1[/url]
[url=http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE1MzcyMDYyNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDk4NDc1Nw@@._V1._SY314_CR26,0,214,314_.jpg]Merc 2[/url]
[url=http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2007_Underground/007UGD_Shane_Steyn_001.jpg]Merc 4[/url]
Mechanics X4
[url=http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTk2MjgyNzA3NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzk4OTczMQ@@._V1._SX450_SY287_.jpg]Mechanic 1[/url]
[url=http://www.imdb.com/media/rm593212416/nm1752567]Mechanic 2[/url]
[url=https://media.nt-online.org/files/BurgessMatthewxCfOwOd.jpg]Mechanic 3[/url]
[url=http://turnturtlefilms.com/images/eugene3.jpg]Mechanic 4[/url]
A number of these Mercs and Mechanics are played by Stunt Actors in other words guys who normally play Stunts, so you can bet they would be all cannon fodder and i recon at least 3 bite dust in the Hanger Scene when Fifield goes bersek.
Only one i cant find anything on is CC SMIFF
So maybe he is the old guy a frail looking 80+ Merc?
Unless old guy is mutated crew member or indeed someone who is not on the crew list or cast list....
Or again its Guy Pierce as old Weyland.... place your bets....
I got £20 on old Weyland.....
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Mithra
MemberOvomorphMay-10-2012 4:45 PM@BigDave
I agree.....although you've done all the work my friend. I cannot believe that if there was a wheelchair Merc or crewman...that they wouldn't have made a point of showing him more clearly in either the hanger intro to the mission, or any other part of the trailer/s. A wheelchair guy in a space movie would be a "feature"...If it wasn't a twist, they wouldn't have hidden it so well. (The half a second / half hidden in the background when Shaw collapses being the only exception).
It's Shaw....It's the Mac Daddy himself.
I'll match your 20.
M

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-10-2012 4:48 PM[img]http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/7324069/img/prometheus/Wheelchairman.png[/img]
This image has David 8 and what apears to be Mechanic 1 with some frail person in a Wheel Chair now why would the unidentified Merc need a Wheel Chair?
[img]http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/7884123/img/prometheus/weylandold.png[/img]
[img]http://emol.org/film/archives/santabarbarafilmfestival/2007/SBFest2007-Guy-Pearce.jpg[/img]
Compare those two pics....
I think its same guy...
We cant make out the Wheel Chair guy enough and he could be Holloway still...
But the other shot well that i feel is Weyland, we shall have to wait and see.
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