The Prometheus ship ITSELF IS the Eagle that metaphorically pecks the liver of t
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Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 8:25 PMI have analysed the Prometheus ship and see here as another analogy I drew upon a few days previous was the fact that I speculated that the Prometheus ship was loosely, o.k. "LOSELY" based upon Gigers Turkey Burster 'first draft' (if you will) design of the Xenomorph's birth faze. Is the Prometheus ship in fact the metaphor for the Eagle? But the metaphor it represents appears to be hidden in plain sight. It IS the ship: Prometheus! And the 'Liver' it pecks out is the Ram manuver the crew of the ship itself impliments when it collides with The Juggernaught. For example of the Eagle metaphor:
[img]http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1706/85012380.jpg[/img]
Here you can see the 'Eagle in flight' or in a 'Nested Position' or could be in a dive-bomber mode.
[img]http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/309/44878821.jpg[/img]
The Prometheus ship is a metaphor in plain sight... Yet subtly concealed...
[img]http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3237/10500268.jpg[/img]
But its is once again clear to me that the producers of this film are interlacing it with layer upon layer of subtext and metaphorical bordering on subliminal visual yet subtle 'language' for us viewers to digest ...
[img]http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4528/15930060.jpg[/img]
...or indeed, peck at! lol!
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artyoh
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 9:30 PM@I'd Rather Be Eatin Something unmentionable
No, I wasn't mocking you. It [i]does[/i] look like an eagle in flight........when it's flying. On the ground, it looks more like a husky, honey badger, right down to the contrasting "dazzle camouflage" of his coat.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 9:34 PMYes Artyoh. I am prpeared to conceed that point, too a degree...
The Prometheus 'Making OF' will eventually reveal all and I'm betting when it does... remeber this thread, o.k...
Xenophobia
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 9:35 PM@ Eatin something else. I just got one question, it must be a pain in the behind to put your login name every time you log on? Other than that great job at making such a good observation don't mind what the others say, they just don't get it even when it's staring at them dead-on.

artyoh
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 9:41 PMWe don't know whether or not they deliberately employed animal analogs when they designed the Prometheus. They certainly [i]could[/i] have......even if it was more of an unconscious influence, than: "I'm going to intentionally make it look like X."

Svanya
AdminPraetorianMay-16-2012 9:41 PMAlmost all craft, because of their aeronautic nature, look like birds in flight.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 9:44 PMI know what you mean Xenophobia... Good-on-you! And kindest regards to your reply. Its a pleasure to talk to you, I hope you are well. Thank you kindly and yes... If I had the choice of typing while I'd Rather Be Eating Something Else and rather actually BE Eatin' Something Else...well there's no comparison in my book!! heh! heh lol! !

enceladus_is_alive
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 9:46 PMI see the shape match to a bird if you use your imagination, but the story logic doesn't work and the Pro ends up in many pieces.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 9:50 PMYes, fair enough people. Upon the one hand I can conceed your point and wanting not to kill the mystery but yet upon the other, if that is you belief and it is what you truely feel... then why are you even upon here in the first place? Is it or is it NOT a film CHAT forum? By definition it invites, it flirts, it DEMANDS you to dare to flesh-out that which you find curious. For me it is the pursuit of intellectual processes that are based around the inception of such concepts and visual referent as that of Alien franchise and soon-to-be Prometheus that I find so stimulating...
But that is just me. What about yourselves out there? What motivates you?

Rawr
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 9:53 PMIt sorta does look like a eagle but got nothing to do with the story, everyone is gonna die a horrible painful death except one character probably, the humans aren't going to be punishing anything, just look at the fucking name of the ship and you will see we are the ones about to get punished.

enceladus_is_alive
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 9:56 PMOk, lets start a new intersting post like, is LV-223 a square shaped planet with edges that you could really fall off of, but has been terraformed into a sphere.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 10:00 PMIs it not equally fair to offer the point that you, as well as I, do not know what exact plot-turns and twists Ridley Scott has in store and deliberately put into place to wrong-foot us. It is not witten in, for want of a better term: 'Gods Gospel Stone' that the likely scenario of how the Prometheus myth is loosly designed to play out as isn't indicative that that is indeed HOW the subject matter soon-to-be-on-offer is ACTUALLY - down to the letter - going to play out as when we all finally come to see it... yes...

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 10:40 PMYes, Tears. Very Good by the way coining the phrase: "Prometheus the (Eagle) has Landed!" Well done to you for that!
You are most probably right Tears. My observation is that this is not merely a piece of film, you have got to think of it as a piece of art, with hidden layers of metaphor and inuendo. A moving piece of art even with possible, I stress: "POSSIBLE" hidden easter-Alien-egg type suprises and nods, references to other things concepts and mythos tangents.
I mean come on people WHAT IS GIGER AND HIS WORK IF IT IS NOT INTERLACED WITH SIMMERING SEXUAL UNDER AND ESPECIALLY OVER-TONES!!!? The guy's entire work base is litterally filled to the BRIM with suggestive and equally subverise meaning, metaphor and inplied inuendo... Evidence for which, you need only browse the Necromicon and watch Alien over, and over and over and over again...!

enceladus_is_alive
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 10:09 PMVery true - that is why many of us believe that "Homer" Simpson is lurking somewhere in the depths of the temple and will make a brief appearance in Ridley Scott's movie.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 10:23 PMYou seem to be defaulting to 'type' Enceladus...
However... you may have sincerley been just joking... attempting to diffuse 'hypotheical-intellectual tensions' !
I'd like to think, know and hope that it is the latter...

Tears N. Reign
MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 10:30 PMI certainly see the references to an eagle as an added layer of depth, yet doubt it is center theme to the plot. Great post Eat'n. It may chalk up to subliminal manifest same as the band Pink Floyd wasn't necessarily thinking of Wizard of Oz when wrote Dark side of the moon; although, layers of sublimnal synchronicities manifest upon them.
Gives some purpose to the contrite hammy line, "Prometheus (Eagle) has landed."

John D.
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 12:20 AMTo be fair, most modern aircraft (and quite a few spacecraft in science fiction) also bear a resemblance to the overall shape of a bird. An outstanding example is the SST (the Concorde jet); the nose of that thing looks like a bird's head [i]and[/i] beak to boot. The stealth bomber/fighter and other "flying wing"-type aircraft are examples of exceptions to the rule; they sacrifice some stability for increased lift and less aerodynamic drag.
I personally think the important part of the Prometheus myth - as far as it concerns this movie - is that we're dealing with "the Gods," so to speak, and their secrets, and our human friends (perhaps thanks to Mr. Weyland) are going to do something that really, really pisses them off.

chthon
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 2:24 AMI don't have time to read all this stuff. But clearly this thread illustrates what makes this (and all the other Promethei forums) so great.
It is not possible to over-analyse and obsess over great Sci Fi.
It's what great Sci Fi's made for.

Grindolf
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 3:00 AM
Its an interesting idea of sorts, I don't see it myself but you never know

Tokyokid
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 3:03 AMMy comments on the Prometheus myth are from the writer's own mouth.
The Parents god figures are afraid of children displacing them. The parents kill the children if they get a leg up on the parent.
It is a similar myth to Jupiter eating his children to prevent them from overthrowing him.

Dave_b
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 5:54 AM@Id Rather Be Eatin...
It's ok to put your ideas out there and have them rise or fall on their merits, but they just don't match up with the myth or the films fairly obvious plot. So the ship looks like a bird? All airplanes look like birds, corvettes look phallic and the President of the USA tries to convince us daily that he's not just a petty politician... this is revelational? This is deep intellectual discourse? Are you in Elementary school?

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 6:08 AMIf David ends up in the 'Navigation' room aboard The Juggernaught then could it be that he is in some ways playing-off both sides and is what causes the crew or a sole crew member of the Prometheus to pursue it on a collision course..? Perhaps Janek himself is Prometheus as the Prometheus ship is 'his' as the captains perogative goes? Or Vickers in a simple twist of fate? Making the Prometheus' myth that has always been historically a man now a woman? And so then it beggars the question of who is the Super-sized Bio-Enginner... Peter Weyland? Someone else? All I know is that there are many elements of iconography that are going to be coming to us constantly throughout this film, whether we 'get it at first' or not. And I'm betting it will be served up to us on a platter by Ridley Scott much like he did with Blade Runner in toying with the idea that could you tell for certain in a future world who was really and TRUEY human?
Well by that same order of analogy and reasoning, could you see whom ultimately, if anyone, is going to end-up as the sole representative of the Prometheus myth...? There are so many set ups that the mythos Ridley Scott is playing with can spider-web off on so many tangents that it is really ANYONES GUESS at this point.
It could even be the Cobra-eel-Heads, for-all-we-know, that some how get aboard the Prometheus ship while all are dead upon it before it crashes into the back of The Juggernaught. Not that they may be flying the Prometheus into the back or side or front of The Juggernaught at the time just that there was maybe no body left alive upon her prior to the ship ramming into the back of the Alien one, so in that regard and manner, by definition, the aliens as stow aways aboard the Prometheus ARE the eventual Prometheus myth incarnate. O.k. thats maybe stretching credibility upon that notion and I am prepared to conceed upon that point as I would want the suprise plot delivery to WOW me as well as you guys out there too! It just goes to show that Ridley Scott can manipulate the myth into a bunch of wrong turns for us and about-faces, suprise reversal-of-fortunes for those in question and so on. He's been know for doing that before...

Hollow Way
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 7:34 AMDave_b... I totally agree with you. It's nice that the ship looks like an eagle... but the idea in this thread is on par with that of an imaginitive 5 year old. Sorry... Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else, but when the movie comes out (very soon) you will find that "you were wrong. you were SO wrong".
The bread crumbs are there. The humans clearly are the ones who are going to stir up trouble, and the "alien" that bursts through us is like the bird that pecks out Prometheus' liver. There is also a side story running parallel to the humans vs space jockeys and engineers, and that will be of David and his relationship with the humans.
There is plenty enough here. Sometimes a spaceship is just a spaceship.

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 7:47 AMWell Hollow Way the proverbial alien egg-will-be-upon your face as and when the Prometheus DVD comes out in time with the Bonus Disc and 'Making of' featurettes and all the rest of it and you be sure to watch as I am reasonably confindet LITTLE MAN that featuring in and around somewhere in the annals of the designers portfolio of inspiration for the films 'Visuals' my hypothosis and instinctive reasoning will be proved correct after all! And WHEN IT IS Hollow Way, be sure to remeber: "You Heard It Here First!"
O.k.... Kindest Regards.

Hollow Way
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 7:50 AMWhen the movie is released and the DVD is released I will not be hearing from you, because you well feel embarrassed. LOL

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 7:53 AMEmbarrasment never enters into the equation for those whom are resonably confident with their thought process and line of thinking... as I stated upon this thread earlier: 'People who mock are themselves the mocked'... that is why they do it.
This means you Hollow Man, I'm sorry Hollow Way...
I do beg your pardon...

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 7:54 AMYou sound as if you are just repeating what others have said upon here before and have no real thought processes of your own. Hollow Man is in fact very fitting after all!

Id Rather Be Eatin Something Else
MemberOvomorphMay-17-2012 7:57 AMBy that reasoning you may as well just concede then that a film is just a film! Of COURSE IT ISN'T!
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