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Big D!
MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 4:49 PMI've been sucked into the micro-analysis of the "Alien" franchise, I have enjoyed numerous discussions on the boards - thanks to everyone! Here are my questions:
First, let me start of with the "Please...kill me..." woman that Dietrich finds alive in "Aliens". How could this woman still be alive considering the short incubation span from face hugger to chest burster? Here, I am assuming a similar time span from infection (face hugger) to manifestation (chest burster) to that of Kane (I'm guessing ~ 12 hours?). My guess...she was hiding out like Newt and recently captured. The Colonial Marines find her on the periphery of the red dot map that Hudson pulled up in Operations ("personal tracking devices" - ?) Like any harvester, the Xenos could be operating like from the inside-out, putting newer captures on the periphery.
Thoughts anyone.
Now, my second question has to do with Xenos and the effects of temperature. The Marines find the woman and several deceased colonists under the reactor's primary heat exchangers (why the secondary or tertiary heat exchangers couldn't alleviate the damage from the dropship's crash, I don't know). As previously stated, Hudson finds the PDTs concentrated under the primary heat exchangers (sub-level 3).
Questions/Comments
1. Why did the Xenos harvest the colonists under the heat exchangers? Could it be that the Xenos know that the human body core temperature is 37oC (98.6oF) and for optimal chest burster conditions, under the heat exchangers would be ideal? Perhaps it's that the Xenos prefer warmer conditions themselves - they strike me as cold-blooded creatures (no pun intended) albeit with a pH of 1. In "Alien" as Kane is lowered into the cave, he says "…it's like the g-damn tropics in here…" - this could be referring to the mist he sees assigning it to dense humidity. Frost collaborates the temperature under the heat exchangers with his comment "…it's as hot as Hell in here…"
2. Ash suggests that the crew use "fire" to drive the Xeno through the ventilation shafts to the airlock. In "Aliens" the Marines turn to flame throwers after their pulse rifles' magazines are confiscated - does anyone else find it odd that the Marines didn't carry spare magazines? I must interject with my favorite line from the series, Frost: "…what are we supposed to use man, harsh language?" I don't recall seeing any Aliens being flamed by the Marines. Perhaps they feel the temperature but the "polarized silicon" shell (thanks to Ash's analyses) prevents the Xenos from igniting? Ash may have already known this and hence his suggestion to use fire. Why the Nostromo crew didn't use their weapons on the Xeno is odd, we don't even see what the weapons are - recall that when Dallas decides to investigate the source of the transmission with Kane and Lambert, he says "…we better break out the weapons…" Now, Ripley flames the eggs and the Queen screams in a hissy fit - maybe more from her altruistic attachment to the eggs than the effects of heat…but who knows? Consider that the Xeno in "Alien" could survive in outer space, at least long enough for an attempt to break-in through the engines. The Queen in "Aliens" provides some screams in outer space (apparently in space someone can hear you scream) after being ejected through the airlock.
3. For reference we have:
Temperature of Outer Space: -270oC (-454oF) (cf. "Alien")
Temperature of Napalm Burn (flamethrower): 800-1200oC (1472-2192oF) (cf. "Aliens"
Temperature of Molten Lead: 328oC (622oF) (cf. "Alien3)
Temperature of Liquid Nitrogen: -196oC (-321oF) (cf. "Aliens: Resurrection" and AVP (non-canon) where the Queen is stored in a frozen state, possibly liquid nitrogen, liquid helium, something else)
My first impulse was that the Xenos can tolerate moderate changes in temperature, but after looking at the temperature ranges...they seem rather
resilient..."perfect organism" - Ash.
I look forward to reading your comments.
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BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-21-2012 5:10 PMWell Insects and especially Arachnids grow faster in warmer conditions.
A baby Spider (depends from species to species) can grow 3X faster in a hot 30 degrees + compared to a 10 or minus Tempreature.
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sukkal
MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 5:10 PMIt seems that there could be different incubation times for different kinds of individual xeno forms. In A3 the Queen was inside Ripley for days and days, right? But the "bambi" popped out very quickly to be the guardian of the developing queen.
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Regarding the temperatures and whatnot. That's not the only thing... their "respiration" or lack thereof is also quite weird. They "hiss", which implies that the have lungs (or similar), but the fact that they don't boil, or explode or freeze solid going from "room temperature" to the vacuum of space is not very biologically realistic. They clearly find the cold (of liquid nitrogen) uncomfortable in [i]Resurrection[/i].
I'm dubious that the franchise has thought this through clearly.
This is one of the reasons that I admire the work James Cameron did in developing the flora and fauna of [i]Avatar[/i]. He hired scientists to figure it out. He made sure that the creatures were biologically plausible (in most cases). I don't think the budget on the original [i]Alien[/i] allowed for that kind of consulting.

Big D!
MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 5:18 PMGood points - especially that of scientific consultants (I'd like to submit my resume' to Ridley for Prometheus 2...anyone have his email).
I didn't catch the "hissing" but that indeed implies lungs. Are the growth rates of insects and arachnids affected by humidity?

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MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 5:22 PM... this is make believe... I am sorry but when "we" and oh hell I include myself (because I cannot get enough of this drug call "Alien") descend into such detail I wonder where it will stop. I have all the movies, comics, books, art books, and read most of the sites and still have to step back and wonder at the effort and hard work everyone devotes to this piece of fiction. I admit also that without Herr Giger with his outer-worldly paintings, none of this would have been possible...
Yes, the pressure differencal should have popped the Alien in space.
Fire might just an irritant for the Alien species, just like mother-in-laws are.
Dallas did say "lets break out the weapons," and then forgot to bring them along when they enter a totally alien environment.

Big D!
MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 5:37 PMI agree on the microanalysis....but hey, what else do I have until the movie is released? I saw the Avengers with the Prometheus preview and I cheered more for the preview than the Avengers...okay, so I was the only one in the theater who did so.
I think Sigourney Weaver, Ridley Scott, James Cameron, and the rest of the bunch probably drop in on websites like these and just roll their eyes on the minute dissection of every little detail. I would...and I do myself, guilty as charged.

jenskarlsson
MemberOvomorphMay-21-2012 8:45 PMbreak out the weapons - i think Kane can be seen holding what looks like some kind of "lazer pistol" when he goes down to have a look at the egg... i dont think its prominently featured but i believe it can be glimpsed a few times in his hand.
the reason these weapons were not used to fight the alien is because of the acid for blood. according to Dan O'Bannon, this is the reason he(or possibly Ron Shussett, i cant recall) came up with the acid blood - a reason that you couldnt easily just stab or shoot the alien. He didnt want it to be bullet proof or knife proof so to speak, because he felt that was too cliche of a movie monster, so he wanted some other reason no one would just stab or shoot the alien straight away and ruin the film before it got started. he talks about this either in one of the dvd commentaries or the documentaries on one of the versions of the alien dvd.
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