The Prometheus' creatures' life cycle + creatures' drawings!

1 I think it's clear why he disintegrated, and what was the point of that. 2 no, nobody knows, that may be for the sequel 3 we know why they came here the first time, they probably came back because civilizations left murals, but why? 4 I hadn't thought about this but no we don't 5 yes, but we know how they died, even if it's not clear what creature killed them 6 David should have said what Weyland told him to say. Since he's very loyal I think he did, but maybe he said something else. The engineer looked happy to see him at first.

blurg, i think this board is just buggy. :/ I drew my own. [img]http://i.imgur.com/OyoEi.png[/img] Am I close? I extrapolated how to get to a Dog Alien assuming 1. that the proto-xeno is coterminous with a jockey alien and 2. that there were no other hosts available on the derelict, so if that particular individual (that killed the jockey in Alien) were to lay an egg, it would have to go praetorian, then queen. Obviously I'm just guessing, but I like drawing dog aliens, so there. blah blah blah does my chart look ok? Because that's how I'm currently understanding it.

@Blood And thank you again for answering! :) "I think it's clear why he disintegrated, and what was the point of that" I get the fact that he seeded the planet with life, my question was whether we learn of his / his masters' motivation. I mean, is it something they do on a regular basis? Is seeding planets with life part of their culture? The "because they can" argument from the last promo-clip doesn't quite apply here since creating David didn't involve sacrifice of his creators.

I'm sorry I don't see the image. I personnaly don't like the queen/praethorians thing, even if I enjoyed Aliens. But this movie is clearly closer to Alien than it is to Aliens.

Ok. It exists, though. It's hosted on imgur. Here's just the address: http://i.imgur.com/OyoEi.png *crosses fingers* Of course it's closer to alien than aliens. It's the same director. Which breaks the 26 year tradition, but I guess when you gamble with directors like alien movies do and end up with avp:r, I suppose it's time to make a change. And I don't think this technically counts as an alien movie anyways, so no big deal.

Wyland is the 1st Engineer. Or the last human. The Engineers are the combination of Human DNA & Alien goo. Now is it that the engineers are trying to ensure their existence or future by ensuring our end. Which came first the chicken & the egg or the or the farmer who built the farm...?

@Ripley Good drawing, it's just like this apparently I don't want you that didn't see the movie yet hate me even more, but I just saw it again. @strashiLOL spoiler on Weyland Well actually creating David did involve the sacrifice of his creator. For him to be truly independent, Weyland had to die. And it's ironic that the brain that created him was smashed by the artificial head that he created.

I've been particularly careful at the design of the proto. It's digitigrade, stands on its back fingers. It's got red gums full of nerves, a lot of mollars like humans and big canines. It has a double gum like a white shark. It came out of the chest using the pointy back of its head. It's face is featureless?

@betagamma9 No, it's humans that are the combination of goo and engineer DNA. They are just building worlds. @strashiLOL I think too that the sacrifice thing is part of their culture, but that's only an interpretation. He drinks goo from a pot with inscriptions, as part of a ritual. But there is no indication other than that in the movie.

Behold!! My latest creation!! [img]http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6209/1338419921392.jpg[/img]

O_O it's got cancer! Because I'm bad at scrolling I drew this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/pq2Qq.png[/img] url = http://i.imgur.com/pq2Qq.png While reading your description, not being aware that you drew the thing immediately afterwards. :/ Still not sure what you mean by "double gums," but that sure does look like those inner jaw things xenos have. Edit: I also drew cuddles from the same knowledge base. [img]http://i.imgur.com/lrW9Z.png[/img] url = http://i.imgur.com/lrW9Z.png

@Blood wrote, "They obviously knew that the goo could create a xenomorph, but I don't see why it takes so much steps to get there. It feels like its creation was an accident of Shaw sleeping with Holloway, but at the same time there's the statue/mural..." Here's an idea: What if the thing spawned from the Last Engineer + Cuddles (Shaw's squiddy baby) is not the first xenomorph/proto-xeno, but a reiteration of a xeno created long ago? We know the Engineers visited Earth, directed life on Earth, and were invested in human life in particular. Perhaps they abducted individual humans, brought them to their homeworld or another of their planetoids, experimented with them + the goo + Engineer DNA to arrive at... the xenomorph we're so familiar with from Alien and its sequels? Not during the events of Prometheus (because if Ridley Scott says there's no direct link and the derelict is long-dead, I believe him), but long before, in what would be prehistoric human times (but perhaps recent memory to the long-lived Engineers). I'm not one of those who's expecting answers to the xeno's origins (I LOVE it that Prometheus isn't the same old, same old). But the possibility that it came from us, at least in part, is disturbing.

OMG! This is the most interesting thread I've seen all day, the best spoiler ever...thanks @Blood And by the way all the drawings are great, thank you all...

The xeno's origins are already known, as they have been since the comics tread this ground a long time ago: Space Jockies made them. HOW was never addressed until now, because it's easy to just say "they genetically engineer stuff that looks like Giger paintings" and be on your way. Stuff that we haven't seen before are the process of creating a xeno and, you know, the [i]other[/i] things SJ's can make. The monster in Prometheus certainly doesn't have to be both, either one is enough to carry a movie with or without SJ's, but it's sort of expected since it's hard to shake "alien prequel." More importantly, this coda creature wouldn't be so recognizably a proto-alien if it wasn't implying a relation to classic xenos. I like your idea though, abiogenesis, like it was initially an accident, but then the jockies liked the result and came up with a process/outright engineered something based on this other creature. It also brings up the possibility that the first xenomorph was created on Earth. Fun fact: in the newest avp game (with Lance Hendrikson, so as far as I'm concerned it's part of the movie timeline :P) we see the first xeno ceremonially killed by a predator. It's a human-spawned alien. Hmmm... Of course I know Ridley would never intend to make that connection, but it is there if you want to make it, and I do. Another thing, too, is if this critter only shows up in the coda, and is born on LV-223, it certainly doesn't seem directly connected to the derelict on LV-426 at all. Will it factor in the sequel? If it does, we can be assured it won't be directly related (ala jockey alien) since Ridley said the sequel will be an even larger tangent. If it dies alone on LV-223, it seems like they're purposefully avoiding answering how to get from A to B, which seems suspicious, and probably means that proto guy can make ordinary xenos somehow. MAYBE the xenomorph is a result of a similar process... but involving a species more common in SJ-space than humans. Maybe if a SJ is contaminated with the goo and then reproduces, it causes an even weirder "cuddles," which then can implant xenos. Or maybe I'm really excited about this new monster. :3

Well of course Ripley your drawing skills are better than mine. The gums are just like that, but with another gum coming out,and not just jaws coming out, I means it's pink and full of nerves too. I tried to draw the form of its head in the upper right part. It's really smooth, there's just a small bump where a nose would be. And that yellow sac is intentional. My bf told me (I forced him to come the second time) that's a yolk sac. It sometimes stays attached when an embryo comes out and nurishes him for several days until he can eat. That's not really the case here since the proto has it in one image and loses it just after. That sac is yellow/green and clearly pulsating (a beat is heard) as if there's a heart somewhere.

Your drawing of cuddles is good too, but with less tentacles and no teeth when he's young. He's disgusting but doesn't appear really dangerous. [img]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4508/1338469302926.jpg[/img]

blurg. Site is silly. I've noticed threads don't get bumped when there's a new message, making it kinda hard to tell when there's something new. That drawing is great! I can see the little... uh... thing... that facehuggers have in the center of that Elder Thing looking monstrosity (yo dawg, I heard you like tentacles that branch off into five smaller tentacles, so we branched off your five tentacles into five tentacles while we branched those tentacles off into... you get the idea, tentacles on tentacles). http://www.elfwood.com/art/i/t/itosaithwebb/concept__elder_thing_by_king_rastel.jpg 4 meters, huh? Looked way bigger than the space jockey, but... I suppose they shrunk down the jockey, didn't they?

Wow that thing looks nasty! Where is it from? Yeah, the engineer is smaller since he can walk in the corridors so he's maybe 3 meters high. Poor guy gets mouth raped by an octopus with a vagina-penis with teeth and tendrils lol

That's the aforementioned Elder Thing, the race of scientific aliens that came from some planet in the Ursa Major constellation to Antarctica 4 billion years ago from "At the Mountains of Madness." Ubbo-Sathla is already on Earth, so they take some of its tissue and use it to create Shoggoths, amorphous black blob monsters that can form any organ needed at will to build their awesome cities. Accidentally, one of the prototypes escapes, and bacteria/viruses/all other Earthlings are born. They are eventually killed off entirely on Earth by Shoggoths (who were being controlled bu Cthulhu, but that's another story). The coolest part about these guys was their description. Maybe you've heard that myth about Lovecraft not describing his monsters? Well, in MoM he goes crazy and spends something like 3 pages describing every last minute detail of these things. It's incredible. It's so good you almost forget the guy was a racist. ...and that's why Del Torro said what he said about MoM being redundant now.

Yeah well, that would look great in a movie. This thread is soon going to be on second page, so basically dead. Too bad, I wanted to talk more about this.

We only saw one lineage of goo turn into a proto alien thing. Do you think the rest of the parallel lineages would result in something similar? I initially thought the worm cobra alien was a type of face hugger. However, didn't it somehow infest the Geologist and make him crazy super man. How or when do the Engineers learn about the Alien. They either found/made the goo to eventually produce them or they experienced this before. Their architecture is very similar to the excreated walls Aliens make. Would this be a byproduct of direct engineering or some genetic memory of the Engineer transformed to an Alien. Do you think humans are a critical part of the link? We do have the same dna as the engineer, just different traits are expressed and are more pronounced. Is infected sperm the key to getting a Alien? Is there why there are no Engineer women around? Assuming they are not LOTR dwarf women... completely indistinguishable from men to non-dwarfs. Would all goo creatures be manageable by the Engineers since they are huge and ripped to shreds? The alien being the ultimate BA???