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Don't blame Damon Lindelof. Blame Ridley Scott. (spoilers-inside)

Orangwutang

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In the roughly 10 hours since I walked out of the theater last night, my mind has continued to process just how awful this movie is. It's unbelievably bad - everything you've read is true. The flute. The white, squishy buttons on the Engineers' control deck. The captain intuiting that the planet is not the Engineers' home planet but rather the place they developed their weapons of mass destruction - which of course begs the question of why the Engineers were instructing ancient civilizations as to how to reach not their home planet, but some remote place where they made weapons of mass destruction, Vickers and Janek strangely going off to have a quickie in the midst of what would have been the biggest discovery ever made by man and with two crew members stranded inside the temple - which in turn was inside a huge dust/electric storm, the very strange and ineffective scene where Vickers reveals that Weyland is her father - at which point no one cared, Vickers and Shaw running for hundreds of yards to try to escape the rolling Derelict ship when it was painfully obvious that all they needed to do was run a few yards to either side - in fact when Shaw trips, all she does is roll about three times and she is out from the path of the Derelict (which then stops and tips over on her but still), the stupid scene with the Engineer's head where they reanimate it and it explodes - which didn't seem to have any effect on anything in the movie at all, the list goes on and on and on. It's just an embarrassingly bad movie. And yes, I think much of the reason for its awfulness is Damon Lindelof's writing. I didn't see how anyone could enjoy Lost and that whole JJ Abrams/Damon Lindelof schtick of writing a bunch of random dumb shit and then pretending that it all made sense in the greater context of some larger story that only intellectuals could perceive/understand. It's a scam. But I don't blame Lindelof. I place the blame for Prometheus squarely with Ridley Scott. Scott chose Lindelof as the writer. Scott surely saw or could have seen the complete train wreck this film was going to be very early on in the shooting process and could have stopped it. To think that Scott waited 30+ years to revisit his masterpiece and then did this to it is almost unthinkable. But it happened. So it's unforgivable. I haven't seen the AVP movies, so I can't comment on them, but having seen Prometheus I rank it and the four main Alien movies in the order they came out: 1. Alien; 2. Aliens; 3. Alien 3; 4. Resurrection; and 5. Prometheus. It's worse than the prison planet, religious bullshit in Alien 3. It's worse than the half-human/half-alien "sympathetic" creature at the end of Resurrection. It makes no sense that this was allowed to happen. The last thing: Somewhere in the back of my mind for years now has been the idea that it's a little strange that so much of the Alien story and universe has been crafted around the artwork of J.R. Giger. Don't get me wrong - I love Giger's artwork and think it's a large part of why the original Alien film was so incredible. But something has been nagging at me regarding the fact that the original xeno was based on a preexisting Giger painting - it was just something Ridley Scott saw and said "That's our alien." Including the telescoping internal tongue, etc. The same is true for the Space jockey - I saw an interview with Ridley where he said he wanted something large and imposing in the center of that dais, and that Giger then went and designed the Space Jockey. There was no real backstory to the Space Jockey or Engineers, and there was no real tie-in with the Alien story - Scott just wanted a cool visual. And it was a cool visual and was one of my favorite things about Alien - just wondering who/what the Space Jockey was and what had happened to him (other than the obvious facehugger chest explosion). So they then went back after the fact and tried to craft a story around that image - and based the entire Prometheus movie on it. I don't think I'm articulating my point here very well - but it's always seemed a bit strange that they did it this way - that there was apparently no coherent story behind all of this. They just included some cool imagery in the original film - the xeno and the Space Jockey - and now have gone back and tried to create an origins story around that imagery. I think that might be part of the problem. But the main problem is how amazingly lame the backstory they came up with is, and how poorly it was translated to the screen. Go see Prometheus. And if you are a real fanboy try to convince yourself that it's not that bad. But I think if you really think about it and are honest with yourself, you'll admit it's not very good - especially considering how amazingly awesome it could have been. I have enjoyed the commentary and speculation on this forum about 1,000 times as much as I enjoyed the film itself. The version of the film I had put together in my mind based on the analysis here was so much more interesting and impactful than the actual film. It's sad, really. But the blame for it should be falling squarely on Ridley Scott, not Damon Lindlof. Lindelof is part of the problem, yes, but one that Scott should have seen and rejected way before any of this actually came to light.
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Fury 161
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it's not true AT ALL. I am notoriously hard to please. I have already gone to great length on this board to state that my expectations were not too high. I am one of the biggest ALIEN/Scott fanboys on Earth. I wanted an amazing looking, immersive, science fiction adventure with a reasonably original story and atmospherics, a bit of gore, tension etc...that was exactly what you get with PROMETHEUS....what the hell were you people expecting!!!
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Its ironic that it seems Ridley Scott now joins both George Lucas and Steven Spielberg as filmmakers who have gone back to original works (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Alien) and can't find that magic again. With all the tech advances in filmmaking it seems once again the result is lazy storytelling. All these prequels/sequels would've been better served being made in the 80s or 90s when storytelling was more of a focus since one couldn't just create any image they wanted through computerized special effects.
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by the way I thought LOST was utter shite and that this movie was indeed a bit daft, but the sheer grandiosity of Scott eclipsed all that...and if you want to pick holes, you could do exactly the same with ALIEN and the mighty ALIENS. But who wants to be arsed with that! I thought this film was fantastic FUN that did not have a dull moment, and to me it evoked that classic feeling of curling up in bed with a 70's sci-fi paperback that had an amazing painting on the cover. We have our 2001's, our SILENT RUNNING's (brilliant movie), so we don't need another philosophical wankfest. We got a great SCOTT film, let's face it, he's only done 2 really good uns in the last 12 yrs
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completely off subject, moviefan, George Lucas is a complete cunt, and the last Indiana Jones film was a turd (despite the rather wonderful first hour)....but Spielberg's WAR HORSE was utterly fantastic I thought, and seeing that at the cinema reinstated my faith in the old man.
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@Orangwutang Sorry to hear that the movie disappointed on such a grand scale. @Fury161 there is no need to get upset or attack people for their review. It's just the guys subjective opinion, he can't help it if he didn't like it.
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I've been waiting 30 years for this movie basically, so my expectations were set in deep outer space so to say. I must admit I had a feeling this would be difficult to pull off, but shame on me. THIS MOVIE AND STORY ROCKS! I think this is exactly where the storytelling should go and I am sure in a few years time, people who got disappointed now (most likely because they were expecting an ALIEN remade without being aware of it) will also find this movie enjoyable. SPOILER WARNING - I was afraid there would be a direct tie in to Alien and all the mystery be kicked out the door, but the mystery in most aspects remains, in fact the movie throws in a bigger mystery and more interesting food for thought. Can't wait for the sequel. Meantime I am off to the cinema to watch it a second time.
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@ Starbeast, I am glad to hear you liked it and its awesome that you enjoyed it so much that you want to see it again. But maybe out of respect for Orangwutang you might not want to post your review in his thread. He clearly is upset with the film and it might spread bad mojo if the people who liked the film start posting their reviews on threads started by people who didn't like it and vice versa. I think Bughunter made two separate review sections for purpose of avoiding the kind of conflicts that seem to pop up when people start doing that.
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blame the marketing, THIS WAS NEVER a prequel to Alien. NEVER. And that thing with the Engineer pointing to a starmap, what was that? That was a cave painting done by a 'recently DNA-altered monkey' but the opening scene of the film suggests that SEEDING A PLANET means the selected Christ is sacrificed down to this dna. I really don't 'get' the opening scene, obviously. Like, what planet was it, etc. etc.
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i had more serious concerns about the film then white squishy buttons on the engineers chair or the flute that was something i never considered what was were the gaping plot holes and absurd character flaws and frankly the pathetic scenarios in which they behave so incredibly stupid.
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Is it really the directors job to hone the script? Especially when the script is so bad? Arguably not, but then Mr Scott was very closely involved in all creative aspects of the original Alien film and the result of his close input was awesome. The same script (of Alien) would have given birth to a very different film if handled by someone else. So up to a point I agree with you. But in my opinion the big problem with Prometheus is that the script is just fucking awful which means Lindelof is at fault. It's a lazy, cliched and badly plotted story that, with just a bit more thought, could have been good. The studio green lit the script and Dan O'Bannon was a producer, so they all need to take the rap too. I'm pleased it's not just me who felt disappointed by Prometheus, but I really wish it wasn't so because I really wanted this to be awesome and I tried to convince myself when leaving the cinema that it wasn't so bad. But there's no escaping it. I WAS disappointed, and not because my expectations were high but because it really was a terrible film.

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