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DEEPER THOUGHTS ON PROMETHEUS

dejan

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Fellow fans, Although we have every right in the world to get angry at the makers for failing to deliver on the character/story development front... ...after my second viewing, I realized PROMETHEUS delivers in original ways that we can only appreciate if we dispense with the conventions of classic narration. First off, its dream-like structure, in which characters are killed off or abandoned randomly, plot hooks and points mixed up, motifs rehashed and repeated, 3D combined with 2D, testifies less to the incompetence of the makers, than to a certain STYLE that is more invested in visual storytelling, than the use of more conventional (theatrical) methods such as you'd find in ALIEN. For example: when Elisabeth Shaw's boyfriend is suddenly killed - without any narrative justification - I think the scriptwriters are more interested in drawing a parallel with the death of Shaw's father from ebola - than the emotional dimensions of the event, as you'd have it in a conventional melodrama. Since the scene is followed by a shot of Shaw waking up on a hospital bed, it could even be construed that the whole thing is her nightmare. This is something you can either like or dislike - but in itself, it is not wrong. Then take the film's central (Gothic) theme: DOUBLING (MIRRORING, REPRODUCTION, REFLECTION). It is carried through quite consistently throughout the film, despite the shoddy narrative construction. The title is displayed on top of an image showing the duplication of cells. The plot of the film is a doubling of ALIEN's plot. The two female characters (Shaw and Vickers) are obviously two versions of the same female personality, both of them plagued by a traumatic relationship to the loss of the Father figure/God, both trapped by a patriarchal system in which the medical facility is ''optimized for use by men''. The character of David represents two genders, two types of androids, two kinds of agendas, et cetera. It even goes down to the level of action: when the Engineer first caresses David's head before ripping it off, you are instantly reminded of the way one of the grunts caressed the alien snake before it attacked him. And so on and so forth. Given that the film's horror is focused on fears related to reproduction, it seems that the central spiritual question it is posing has to do something with our narcissism; not just on the level of corporate individualism and competition, but also, as a deeper philosophic/religious question - are we able to really perceive the perspective of the other, the ALIEN VIEWPOINT. Because if we're not, than human history is merely repetition, and childbirth inevitably ends in Hell. When David reads Elizabeth Shaw's dreams, what he sees is her puzzlement in front of the fact that many people believe in many different Gods. It is this question, rather than belief itself, that she confronts on the mission.
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rogerharris
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Ha ha, that’s good imagination, I don’t even know where this thread is located on this board, so I doubt anybody else can find it to read it by tomorrow. My field being computational neuroscience, which can cross with Ai and social psychology my experience with writers is reality does not make great movies or at most OK whats the minimum facts, right thanks got to get back to my story, and im saying but wait there is more, without it you will just make a fool of yourself with the smart readers !
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When in the cinema Ridley had managed to suspend my belief into his usual dark tones. I was thinking yeh, I feel so immersed, that’s how it would be in the future etc etc. Ridley Visionary, Keep it rolling…bring it on, hooked in Then back outside, its “nah, this is reality, Ridley just took me on a trip to a dark place for a while”. Why do we even go there ? He got me again, clever B%%D ! tricking my senses with smokes and mirrors, posing resonating deep puzzles mixed with chaos to stir things up ! Well done confusion grabs you at a subliminal level, but banal confusion does not. Considering a second trip to Prometheus at imax this time. How often does a movie do that ? been so long I cant remember,
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I'm sorry I was just laughing as I imagined a FOX executive sticking a ''synaptic reanimator'' into your exhausted computational neuroscientists's brain in order to extract the last bit of explanation they can before you expire, and then your remains are found by Thachicken's crew, and then they stick another reanimator into your brain, and so on However if you really want to rediscover movie magic, I would rather recommend Lars Von Trier's MELANCHOLIA, than a second viewing of PROMETHEUS - it's a good movie, but not the kind of a deranged masterpiece that MELANCHOLIA is.
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has to wrestle the entire move with a sh**head (Keitel) who hounds him through his life, just because keith has an ounce of sensitivity (feminine trait). I never saw THE DUELISTS, but I would say that Satan is clearly related to the penis throughout Scott's ouevre, witness the shape of the new monster and of course the head of the xenomorph. Scott mentions in interviews that he's attracted to strong women because his mother was the captain of the house, or maybe he suffers from castrational anxiety. When one thinks about the original Prometheus, one tends to wonder not what the eagle did to the poor guy's liver, but what happened to his scrotum. You sense there's a lot of pop psychoanalysis in there, but I do think Satan is primordially linked to the penis by the image of the snake in the Garden of Eden, while one could also theorize that the act of penetration is a form of violence, which means that creation itself is hopelessly scarred by violence.
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However NPD is not all of man is it ? And the military races have integrity. At the start the engineer calmly disposes of himself (as does Keitel willing to do without a fuss, at the end of the duelists). I was just thinking about that - how every movie financed in America has to have at least some elements glorifying the moral integrity of the American soldier. Like, MEN IN BLACK 3 has a sub-plot about the honorable black soldier who died before his son could become a man. Or THE AVENGERS is all about these retro patriotic images from the Second World War where square-jawed Captain America saves the world. In PROMETHEUS we have the black captain who will sacrifice for the sake of humanity. This is where that (British) ambiguity saves the day in PROMETHEUS, for you can also observe the behavior of the Company as the white man's colonizing mission and the black captain's sacrifice as a terrorist crime.
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[img]http://memecrunch.com/meme/12MV/prometheus/image.png[/img]
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Wow Dejan. Just wow. Its all I can really say. You see, I thought you were just trolling the community by the complete and utter nonsense you are saying but I genuinely think you believe the stuff your saying. This isn't an art-house movie. Most people don't watch art-house movies. Art-house movies are not main stream cause most people aren't arrogant, self-centered, self-important hippies that like to make connections between everything for no reason. Then again, somebody recently broke in to my house and while talking to the neighbors I heard stories of men talking about this and that, all taken out of context because of what had happened. The sad thing is, where these people had some event to color their point of view, I don't think you need an event to alter the content to suit your needs. If your looking to make some grandiose big point on how intellectual you are, which seems obvious that you are trying to do which I have to admit, my friends and I have been laughing very very hard about. I even have a friend that is a snooty art-house movie critic and even he is laughing at how fail you are being. Aside from the pure entertainment we are getting, I would like to challenge you to something. Take any character in the movie, create a profile on them, then apply said profile to them during the movie. . .or wait, you can't create a profile because the dialogue was so fail, their interactions were so fail. The characters were so 1 dimensional that even the military in Avatar had more emotional depth and character development. The only part we all agree on with you is that this movie, the writers started it off as an intellectual challenge but then whilst trying to prove they were smarter than the rest of the world, twisted up the entire movie and failed miserably. Anyways, this is my last post on your threat cause of 1 simple thing. Its not going anywhere and as a picture my friends sent me recently, I totally agree with it. The picture had the text of: Arguing with retards is like playing chess with a pigeon, no matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over all the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like its victorious.
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Thachicken, I guess I'd be insulted by all this if it weren't coming from a CHICKEN. Art-house movies are not main stream cause most people aren't arrogant, self-centered, self-important hippies that like to make connections between everything for no reason. Smart people are always in the minority, while the masses eat the fast food you serve them. But I didn't say that I'm a snob who glorifies high-brow culture at the expense of popcorn entertainment. That's what you construed out of your chicken's malice. If nothing, PROMETHEUS proves that you can nowadays mix the two and that's a very good development in comparison to the 1980s. Take any character in the movie, create a profile on them, I started this whole conversation claiming that ''character development'' isn't the most important thing in this script, because the script is more of an allegory, a satire, and a fantasy, than a classic drama. Your demand for classic development is understandable, but doesn't obligate the authors to agree with you. Arguing with retards is like playing chess with a pigeon, I have NOT invited you into any ''argument'', you came of your own and judging by the number of your reactions, enjoyed it thoroughly. Obviously you also have an inquisitive mind demanding answers. That you have to play the highschool bully for your fraternity pals, is YOUR problem, chicken.
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Hear, hear, Dejan. More thought, less scorn. Myself, I was initially quite empty after watching it, but simultaneously wanted to see it again. It is I think creating a quest for answers and let history be the judge. I think it will be more important than we believe, whether by accident or design..a bit like life?
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[quote]Hear, hear, Dejan. More thought, less scorn. Myself, I was initially quite empty after watching it, but simultaneously wanted to see it again. It is I think creating a quest for answers and let history be the judge. I think it will be more important than we believe, whether by accident or design..a bit like life?[/quote] Exactly most people appear to miss whats been achieved here. Director and writer take a tired and recently abused movie theme from the dogpile of hollywood. Then stay within the constraints of the old script, and characters of that world, while they start to then turn it around into a visually mindblowing epic that makes us think about life the universe and everything. So much so that it is simulating us to ask of them if they can develop the theme such that it may turn out to be the longest developed theme in movie history, and may end up bearing very little resemblance to its origins. Bit of an achievement pulling all that off, especially considering Ridley is pushing 80. Most of us here will be lucky if we can pull of anything significantly creative past age 40.
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Roger, browsing the internet the other day I bumped into an archaeology student who specializes in Greek & Roman mythology as it is used in the media, and she drew my attention to the other part of the Prometheus myth, with Zeus eating his children... http://popclassicsjg.blogspot.nl/2012/06/prometheus-dir-ridley-scott-2012.html (I, in turn, reminded her of the HAMLET references) Indeed there's a lot of parent-child hatred in this story, and there is a tragic undertone as well.

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