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Have we seen Prometheus, yet?

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Have we seen Prometheus? I’m not so sure. To confirm, I have seen the film, now, though I believe (or am really hoping!) that we haven’t seen the version of the film Ridley Scott intended (and is hopefully sat waiting to be put out there, maybe Blu Ray?). I enjoyed the film, though I don’t love it. Yet. It is beautiful to look at, sounds great, and is a fantastic two hour ride that never seems to stop. But I think this is the real issue with the film – it’s too short. There’s a lot going on (this film is absolutely loaded with some really profound ideas) but there just isn’t the time to think about, and more importantly, develop these ideas and how they affect the characters and so on. ‘Here’s an idea, think on that. No wait, forget that, here’s another idea. And another. How does that motivate them? Does that change their approach, their philosophy? Forget that, here’s another idea…..’ I have seen the criticisms of the film and understand them, but I think it all points to one thing – development. That is development of the plot, the film’s themes, the characters, their motivations – all of it. There just isn’t enough time to give us, as an audience, the understanding behind why somebody does what (some characters seem far too willing to die – why?). There isn’t enough time for us to absorb many of the huge ideas put forward, or how they relate to the characters or story or what they even think of them. There isn’t enough time spent building up any suspense, so the ‘scares’ fall flat. We can see an epic journey on screen (just count all the ‘events’ and action beats, there is a LOT going on) we just don’t feel it. This gives us a lot to think about after the film, and it has been rattling around my brain since I saw it, which is normally a great thing, but I think Prometheus is going to give us more. Watching the film I constantly felt like I was missing something. I kept thinking ‘why did he say that?’, ‘where did that come from’, ‘why did he just put his hands up and say ’I want you to do it’?’. In many scenes I felt there was an earlier scene which we’d missed, which gave us the ‘pre-loading’ to understand the importance of a given, later scene - like the ads, that basically showed you the whole film, I believe and hope the ‘theatrical’ release is just a taster for the actual film that Ridley intended, and which, in time, we will get. And it will be epic. This may be wishful thinking, based on (slight) disappointment and what I thought I saw the film could be, but I think there is a definite case for this, especially if we look at how Ridley releases his films. Directors cut? Surely no question. The film as it is, is just too brief. It seems to rely on what I call movie shorthand, in that some films rely on film ‘rules’, conventions, even clichés to hint at something and then let us fill in the rest. As an example, we can be shown that a character may not be what they seem, by way of music, lighting, camera angle etc etc but left to figure the rest ourselves. We know the film is telling us something isn’t right, but what? I know this may not be a great example, since it is a vital tool in most films, but in a lot of modern films we are given a cue, and then our film knowledge fills in the gaps so the writers don’t have to spend time developing character and so on, since we already know the rules! This often just seems lazy to me, but in the case of Prometheus I think the film has been squeezed down to two hours so all the development, the ‘thinking time’, went out the window. I know we don’t want it all spelled out for us, but what this film misses is the ‘quiet/thinking time’. A good example must be the ‘scares’. They are too quick and we don’t have those valuable few seconds of build up to the scare – they just seem to happen and we are left thinking ‘I know that should be scary, but it wasn’t!’ We aren’t given the time to settle into a scene, so that we are at least surprised. I’m rambling, so let’s get to the point. Ridley Scott is very clever on the business side of films. There is a general ‘rule’ that a ‘theatrical’ release should not be more than two hours long and Ridley has stuck to that, however we know he practically invented the director’s cut. This is generally because studios have pretty strict control over what appears on the big screen, and this is often not what the director, especially Ridley, intended. Now films have more life after the theatre and directors have the ability to put out what they really wanted, though results obviously vary! I believe Ridley makes directors cuts for the right reasons – i.e. ‘this is the actual film’ as opposed to just trying to make more money – and would quote Kingdom of Heaven as the perfect example. This suffered very similar criticisms as Prometheus, and felt the same to me in that it was too brief and characters weren’t fully developed. Then came the directors cut with another 40 minutes of footage and it all made sense! While I’m not a huge fan of KoH, it was vastly improved and suddenly became a proper film with proper characters. Also, look at how Lord of the Rings was released – 2 hour theatrical versions, followed by the full versions - as far as I know purely because no studio wants to put out 3 hour epics in the cinema. Just run time alone will limit an audience for a film like that. Back to Prometheus, I have watched the 3 hour long version in my head, and it was superb (give me a shout, Ridley, if you want any help putting it together). It didn’t change the plot, but everything was developed just that little bit more, time was spent on the characters so we understood more about how they behave, how the events affect them, more time on David and his back story – all of it just giving us that little bit more information and therefore more importance (and more questions!) placed on later events etc. All of it changing the mood of the film, making it something on a higher level than the current version. So, I think it’s a given (even obvious) that there will be a directors cut, but I am hoping that it will transform the film, and it will give us the time (while actually watching it) to absorb all the concepts and characters in the film, allowing us to invest in it and empathise more, pontificate and analyse, instead of flying through a story with so much going on that so much is just forgotten about! So far, we are still in the marketing phase, being readied for the ‘actual’ version to come. Please hurry up.
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You'll know the entire story after you've seen the second part, you're only fooling yourself if you think different, with all due respect. And if you think there isn't another part coming, again, you're only fooling yourself...Fox has got the hook out and in...now, they got us....all of us. Go for the longview because that's the bottom line in Hollywood....keep em coming.
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Big things have small beginnings... I certainly hope so. :P

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I hope there is a directors cut but it's a sad state of affairs if you have to go out and buy a DVD to make sense of a film made for the cinema. The directors cut IMHO should add value and further insight, not help you make sense of something.
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Two words... anti climax.
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RSAND
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In this corporatized world today, the "suits" have far more power than before. Perhaps RS didn't have the control we assume he had. Let's face it. We've been assuming a lot without really knowing the facts.
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guys my profile picture is the cover of the BLU-RAY 3D PROMETHEUS plus there will not be a director's cut when the movie is first released on october this year
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This is all the same that happened to Kingdom of Heaven. And it is explained on that (Extended) DVD. I luckily have never seen the butchered theatrical version. I only hope that we do not have to wait for the longer version long years.
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Maybe I'm not making my point very well - I don't think there is more to the story, as such, but I hope a longer version will spend a little extra time thinking about the ideas it presents, instead of just throwing them out there and letting us do the rest before moving on. Maybe a good example would be the ending – I don’t see it as a set up for the next film, but a continuation of the ideas presented (but not developed much) in Prometheus. To a degree, it seems an obvious conclusion to the film. I don’t want to give anything away for those who haven’t seen it, but seeing the end we should be thinking about how profound it is (bear in mind who it involves), not thinking it’s just a set up for the next one (which personally I don’t think is the point). I think this comes from us, the audience, not having time to really absorb and digest these ideas, and then apply them back to the movie we are watching making some sense of the events and characters. I understand that Prometheus isn’t going to give it to us on a plate, but I really think we deserve a little more time to contemplate the ideas, so we naturally start to feel some sort of empathy with the characters and their situation, and begin to think about these things on an almost deeper level. The film tries to operate on this kind of level, but our (or is it just my?) brains can’t keep up with the pace! There are just too many ideas to squeeze into 2 hours. Sounds like an odd complaint, but all these ideas need just a little bit more time spent on them in the film, time for us to absorb them while still having room to analyse them to death later! Take Shaw’s ‘journey’ – so much happens to her that we should leave the cinema feeling the epicness of her journey, the horrors she’s faced, the changes in her and how she moves forward. Instead it feels like a collection of events that come thick and fast, with none of them having any real importance to us or her as a character. We should ‘feel’ that journey, not just see it. I know it is a bit vague to talk about the feel of a film, but I think a truly great version of this movie would be paced, certainly in the first half, more like 2001. We should have time to ponder more on the ideas presented (Shaw’s religion, David, Holloway’s disgust for David, Weyland, Vicker’s moodiness, Janek’s attitude to some situations, David’s knowledge of the Engineers, the whole profound nature of going to ‘meet our makers’….I could go on!). Then we would be more ‘invested’ in the film when it all goes off, all the events would hold more importance, more relevance and even raise further questions! I know this all sounds a bit stupid, and it seems I need it all explaining to me, but I really don’t. I want a film that takes us on a journey, gives us lots of different things to think about but also the time to process it all. There are so many elements to this film which are profound outside of the story but we don’t get the time to see how they relate properly to the characters and events within it, so we end up not really caring. An extended (original?) version would not change things, but would simply reinforce all the things that we are being shown. Or in other words, those things would be more developed and rounded. Maybe I am fooling myself. If so I’m going to be a little bit disappointed all over again when the blu ray comes out!
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@thenextlv426 - you pretty much summed up what I am hoping for - 'The directors cut IMHO should add value and further insight, not help you make sense of something' I don't need it to make more sense, but yes, spot on, it should add value and INSIGHT - this is the key. Develop the characters more, give us more insight on their character, motivations and some of the events in the film, and it won't be that it makes more sense so much as we all empathise and 'feel' it more. We take the journey with them, instead of just seeing all this stuff 'happen'.
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If I could discuss specifics I'd make more sense, just don't want to spoil it for those that haven't seen it. Go see it, just remember it's probably not the film you're expecting. Are they ever?
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@TheNextLV426 At last, a reason to even bother to log in: someone approaches this question with what seems to me to be, pure, clear, sense - compressed into diamond-like state.
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holy cow Cuddles those are long posts! =) I am watching it with friends on the 14th of June. I am not concerned whatsoever about it. Having watched Blade Runner final cut again for the nth time I know Prometheus will become a classic. BR was over everyone's head at the time in 1982 and I don't think this will play out any differently. All the whiners and haters on this board will eventually get their directors cut. I believe my grandchildren will be watching this movie from their scifi classics collection. Ridley Scott is an incredibly gifted artist and I enjoy all of his creations, having no expectations or demands. We should remember that when we watch his movies we are actually the guests in his world.

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