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MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 1:28 PMRight, we know that the Engineers (circa 2000 years ago) planned to wipe out humanity. They readied their worst weapons and, much to their chagrin, were destroyed by their own creations.
The Engineers were obviously monitoring humanity: we know this because we have paintings throughout different millenia showing us so - the film depends on this point.
Keep this in mind.
Cut to 2000 years later when the last Engineer is awoken by a group of space-faring humans. The last time he encountered us we were crapping in our hands and rubbing it on our faces (to quote Gary Busey).
He's likely drowsy and a little disorientated, but he doesn't seem angry when he realizes what's going on. I won't say he seems amused, because that's probably reading too much in to my own version of events.
Now we come to the part I've been thinking about:
David has, for the duration of the film, been vocal about his views on the human race. He literally says "doesn't everyone want their parents dead".
As many other's have posited, it seems likely that David relayed Weyland's words to the Engineer in such a way that it would anger him, ie. "They have come to steal your creations in order to become immortal."
What he actually says is irrelevant. The film has been careful in showing us David's quiet evolution, the fact that what he actually says isn't subtitled speaks volumes. A directorial choice such as this is obviously meant to spark discussion.
Regardless, at this point the Engineer turns to Weyland and his expression changes. My thought is that it looked as if the Engineer had been rethinking his position with regard to dropping a world of goo on top of Earth, when he was confronted with the Prometheus of the story.
This is all fairly straightforward and seems, at least to me, fitting (without becoming akin to some of the fan theories than spanned the site before release).
Strikes me as odd that there hasn't been more discussion surrounding this. Thoughts
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Movie.Monster
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 1:42 PMGood point. Very well thought of. But there is to many possibilities to this scenario. If I was David I would say the same. Hollway comments to daivd about find our makers and his reply to David. If you watch carefully daivd responds with a careful sarcastic smile. With that your theory could be right but we will never know until the subtitles are in on the DVD.

GetEveryone
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 1:49 PMOh, I hope they don't subtitle the DVD. That's one of the few things we don't necessarily need answers for right now.
Though, given that Shaw is now alone with David, I'm assuming she'd ask him "What the fuck did you say to that guy?". Maybe the sequel, then :)

Nickel
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 1:57 PMHi there man nice post...but ask yourself this.....david knows he can't die....he doesn't breathe...he won't grow old etc....seems more likely to me (and i'm not saying he did) that he loaded the words with some slight of tongue...to anger the being....david can be repaired...it looks more like david did it to his own end....and the next step was bating Shaw to rescue him....he can be repaired....and it's obvious to the film that he neither loves, respects , hates or cares about human life....like you say it's irrelevant...they didn't bother expanding on that either...and as much as i hate the fact that dispite all their genius they'd be duped by this...it makes a bit more sense than simply saying....im grumpy in the morning....slap! your dead....and just as a final point it didn't show us subtitles when the engineers spoke in the hologram scene...so we've no idea what they said either and if indeed david was accurate....about telling us they where going to destroy earth....David told us that...he may have been lying...to manipulate the situation.....which only enhances your argument of davids evolution....at the end of the day I'm not replying to start another trend of thought....just to say i enjoyed your comment it's plausible but there's other evidence to ponder :)

BigDave
MemberDeaconJun-07-2012 1:59 PMIt is a good point...
And you have to ask, if most of the Engineers was planning to wipe us out, (we dont know if all was) we do not know if some rogue Engineers Sabotaged the mission to prevent it...
We dont know if this guy was one of those...
Because if they wanted to kill us and thats every Engineer did, then surely after the mishap 2000 years or so ago, the Engineer could had picked another time to come and destroy us...
I mean thats what he ended up trying to do in this movie after he was woken up and maybe upset by what David said...
Then again we do not know if this Engineer wanted to destroy us and some of the others tried to stop him, and he unleashed something on them.
We just dont know for sure..
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Socrates
MemberOvomorphJun-07-2012 4:25 PMI too have thought about this. I cannot decide if it is what David says, or perhaps the engineer seeing the our capability for violence as he sees Shaw get struck.
Perhaps both, or just wanting to remain at the top of the food chain. One thing I will say is that this movie seems to be an appetizer for the sequel.
It seems set up to have many paths to take. One of them taken already with the alien story, and the next seeming to take us further down the creator/creation path.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphNov-08-2012 10:58 AM"..I too have thought about this. I cannot decide if it is what David says, or perhaps the engineer seeing the our capability for violence as he sees Shaw get struck.."
This theory could be true, but along wioth others mentioned in this thread are asking an awful lot from an entity just waking up,,surrounded by strangers(I could not think of better word) talking at him..and then the Last Engineer rises up and creates havoc.
This sequense reminded me of the storyline in 'Dtankenstien. when the creature when recieving life,,is quite confused as to what is happeing,
I think this is exactly what the last Engineer is experiencing. And because of this scene now presented before him just does whart he was told/programmed top do : Pilot a Juggernaut to earth and finish the mission. No deep thinking here,,just do the job at hand.
Do you really think that the entire Engineer's world is depending on his actions on a remote moon after sleeping 2,000 years?
If you were in charge of getting this base built and prepared for future activation..would you put your smartest,,brightest,,most educated,,experience leaders in a sleeping position for 2000 years?
More likely he was a 'worker bee' assigned to this moon to do a job when awaken.
Tomorrow when I wake up I might have different theory!
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Indy John
MemberOvomorphJan-23-2013 1:05 PMI hate back to back posts but in this case it just something i feel is needed.
After David finds the last Engineer alive we are led to believe that now is the time to wake up Weyland and let him meet his maker.
The problem I have in this case ,as David, you really don't know who is the Engineer and how he will react to humans.
We already have seen the results, but what does the scientist/programmed robot, say to this?
If David didn't want to involve humans then the least that he should have done is wake up the Engineer(maybe the Dream Visior would work on this Engineer) and see what is really going on before getting Weyland ready for the big meet.
Weyland could have slept for a few more days and nobody on the Prometheus had enterred the orrery(though the pups have mapped out the room).
When you make a presentation to your Boss don't you try to figure out what you are going to say, understand the material and sort of think how the boss will react to your thoughts?
Once Weland is told about a Surviving engineer he sure does want a meet and greet.
Why not (David) do a real preparation so that your Boss will not only be impressed but perhaps actually survive meeting the Engineer.
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